Christianity vs. Atheism & Evolution

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Christianity, Evolution Atheism.

Hello all, It's me again. This time, addressing a commonality between these three world views, I've mentioned above.

I will be including all beliefs in a Supreme Being, God, such as Judaism and Islam. Under the heading of
Christianity. My choice only by favoratism.
The purpose of these writings ? To show a commonality that adds up to a severe case of amnesia, that plagues
mankind from as far back as he can remember. Right up to this very day and to show that one offers a good explaination, for that amnesia I'll start this endeavor, with the one fact that can't be denied by any of those, who hold one of these three world views. That fact being:

That strictly from a neutral view ( agnostic ? ) of the three, not one of them can prove a damn thing objectively.
I can't give anyone the objective proof, that can substantiate my belief in Christ as a supreme being. That there
must be a Creator if ever we use the word creation. Nor can Evolution, ( the view held widely by Atheism ) by it's
own scientific empirical protocols. Prove the universe, just farted itself together magically, with out any kind of
magician present, to work that magic. A view both Atheism and evolution must hold if they choose to eliminate
a Creator No doubt everyone must admit that all three views layed upon the table, look extremely unlikely, from
the neutral. So the commonalities between the three are:

All are equally absurd from a neutral position.

All suggest that man is suffering from, some sort of amnesia, concernig the nature of his own origins. WRONG !

The Bible, what I believe to be Gods letter to mankind, gives us plenty of record about our origins. It even
supplys good reason for the amnesia that plagues both Atheists and Evolution . That reason is undoubtly the
flood that is recorded in Genesis. Many scoff at the idea of a world wide flood and ask, " If a world wide
flood happened, where did all the water come from ? " As I've pointed out in the past, science seems to
be coming closer everyday to showing us, that scripture indeed holds some miraculous truths.
Where did the water come from ? I believe we have new possibility

Water in space.



I know the article gives an unbelievable amount of light years this water in space is supposed to be. But no one can deny. This presents us with another source, that can be considered to deem the flood, an entirely possible, recorded event. A world wide cataclysm, that wiped mans memory clean. And almost wiped out man himself.

It seems I've stumped our members or needed a new heading.

reply to post by randyvs


It is documented globally that a flood did happen and it happened fast. I guess its possible that the water left earth but I like to place my beats on the ice sheets in Antarctica and the north pole.

I don't have any problem with the possibility of a world wide flood, but only so much as the world was known at the time. A major flood of the region known to the people at the time. Not world wide in the literal sense.

I also have no problem with the views on evolution. I believe in evolution as God's way, just as science is a tool God uses to help us learn. I don't see anything wrong with that viewpoint.

I do not, however, think that a bunch of water fell from space and covered the entire Earth in water. Other explanations could be extreme rains or even a tsunami from an earthquake out to sea.

reply to post by randyvs


From Source:

The water is in a cloud around a huge black hole that is in the process of sucking in matter and spraying out energy

Imagine if there was another cloud around the corner consisting of barley, yeast and hops and the two collided...can you imagine the amount of beer it would produce.?!! Talkin' about some Black Hole Ale...ya buddy!


If they can show that taking place, I'd agree there is indeed a god out there Randy...

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In my best southern drawl:

You never fail to tickle mae !

reply to post by randyvs


Very interesting thread, I supposed if the Earth was to change it's pole location water could have been shifted enough to cover existing land or possible water sources that are under the Earth's surface that are stable but when the planet tilts in the case of a pole shift the water empties from the underground areas and covers existing land.

Originally posted by facelift
reply to post by randyvs

 

From Source:

The water is in a cloud around a huge black hole that is in the process of sucking in matter and spraying out energy

Imagine if there was another cloud around the corner consisting of barley, yeast and hops and the two collided...can you imagine the amount of beer it would produce.?!! Talkin' about some Black Hole Ale...ya buddy!


If they can show that taking place, I'd agree there is indeed a god out there Randy...

edit on 15-11-2011 by facelift because: gmmaarr damnit

I would have to say the black hole would be god throw back a few 100,000 astronomical units of fine space beer.
Even god needs to get his buzz on sometimes too

With that said. if a cloud of water did hit the earth, the question would be how did the water then leave the earth?

Interesting.

Gen 1:7
And God made the firmament (sky) and divided the waters which were UNDER the firmament from the waters which were ABOVE the firmament: and it was so.

Gen 1:6
Then God said, "Let there be a space between the waters, to separate the waters of the heavens from the waters of the earth."

By all Biblical accounts, it was green and lush in the Middle Eastern Region at one time. In fact, all over the world. As God created the sky BETWEEN two layers of water... Maybe the 40 days of rain and flooding was the destruction of the top layer. Perhaps the Earth was a type of greenhouse.

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With that said. if a cloud of water did hit the earth, the question would be how did the water then leave the earth?

I was thinking about that. And I propose that the earths atmosphere some how regulates only a certain amount
of water to remain. So as earth may have taken 40 days and 40 nights to pass thru an inter galactic deluge.
This would easily fill up the whole earth with water. Then take the amount of time that is recorded in the Bible to dispense by what ever means back into space in some kind of natural process. something science couldn't know about because it hasn't been witnessed. I will look up the amount of time for this dispensation that is recorded. I've always wondered if we could get the amount of water there was in overture. Could we know if it coincides aproximately with the amount of time it would take for dispensation ( evaporation ). Compared to what is recorded ?




Here we go.

Gen 8:3
And the waters returned from off the earth continually: and after the end of the one hundred and fifty days the waters were abated.

The waters returned to where ? I think I may be on to something here.

reply to post by randyvs


It sounds good to me, just like any other theory started with a thought and a question.

reply to post by camaro68ss


Well tis is difdferent to say the least. I have an agreement and no arguements

reply to post by WhoKnows100

Gen 1:6
Then God said, "Let there be a space between the waters, to separate the waters of the heavens from the waters of the earth."

Dosen't this also give us one more example of science recently confirming, what the scriptures have aleady told us thousands of years ago. ?

Who can deny it ?

Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by WhoKnows100

 

Gen 1:6
Then God said, "Let there be a space between the waters, to separate the waters of the heavens from the waters of the earth."

Dosen't this also give us one more example of science recently confirming, what the scriptures have aleady told us thousands of years ago. ?
Who can deny it ?

The Almighty did say that everyone in the end would know His Glory. I admit that I used to be in awe of the universe when I looked up at night, now I can say that I'm in awe of Him.

When it comes to Christianity and evolution, there's one thing we CAN prove...namely that the Genesis account is DEMONSTRABLY wrong, just like many other things in the bible (global flood, people living inside whales, etc.).

Given that, and the fact that the theory of evolution is based on hard objective evidence, and that we're actively using it in modern medicine, means that evolution is sound, while the religious account is demonstrably wrong.

As for water in space, that's nothing new, there's a ton of it...the same goes for tons of other molecules, like gold. Which brings me to side comment: There's some crazy guys on these boards who buy into Pye's "aliens created us to have us mine for gold" crap, when the universe is full of gold. And they insist on it, no matter how ridiculous it is

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Thanks for commenting X. I was wondering what the hell happen to everyone ?
Thought maybe I was in the twilight zone of something.

Or beer heaven !

randyvs discovers that the H2O found on earth isn't the only H2O found in the universe.............therefore the bible is true?????

This has been pointed out to him many MANY times in the past, but he chooses to ignore it but.....

Atheism has nothing to do with evolution or the big bang theory.....

And the claim that

the universe, just farted itself together magically, with out any kind of magician present, to work that magic

Has never been made, by anyone..ever.......its a overworked strawman made by dishonest delusional theists.

You are making a few faulty assumptions. Evolution and atheism are not even close to the same thing, nor does one have to be an atheist to believe in the objective evidence for Evolution. Also evolution and god do not contradict one another, only literal interpretations of stories. The second issue is that evolution is backed by thousands of scientific facts. Evolution is not a world view and neither is atheism. Evolution is a science, and atheism is simply lack of belief in a deity. Buddhism is a good example of a religion that is atheistic in nature. The worldview is Buddhism, not atheism. Likewise, there are plenty of other belief systems that do not involve a creator. It doesn't mean that atheism is its own religion. It is merely one non belief. The actual belief system varies, or the person simply might not have one. I am agnostic, myself, but evolution is a fact. You can't really deny it without denying the entire field of biology.

Prove the universe, just farted itself together magically, with out any kind of
magician present, to work that magic. A view both Atheism and evolution must hold if they choose to eliminate
a Creator No doubt everyone must admit that all three views layed upon the table, look extremely unlikely, from
the neutral.

Really? The universe just farted itself together magically? Sounds like you need to read up on the big bang theory. It never suggests everything came from nothing, magically. It suggests that everything in the universe at one point was condensed and very close together and then it expanded. What exactly does that have to do with evolution or atheism? Evolution has nothing to with the origin of life or the origin of the universe. Big bang theory is also compatible with a god, depending on how you see it. Personally I feel if it was a god or supernatural entity that created the universe, it makes sense that it would start in a big bang.

All are equally absurd from a neutral position.

By neutral, you obviously mean, uninformed. Evolution is backed by tons of objective evidence. It is not "absurd", it is proven.

All suggest that man is suffering from, some sort of amnesia, concernig the nature of his own origins. WRONG !

Not really. We have fossils and DNA evidence that shows that man evolved from a long line of species within the homo genus. We are missing a large portion of our history, yes, but it makes sense considering we didn't record history back then like we do today, plus it's obvious that a lot of things have been wiped out, or sunk because of the rising sea levels at the end of the last ice age. Only like 1% of the total population was literate when the bible was estimated to be written.

The Bible, what I believe to be Gods letter to mankind, gives us plenty of record about our origins. It even
supplys good reason for the amnesia that plagues both Atheists and Evolution . That reason is undoubtly the
flood that is recorded in Genesis. Many scoff at the idea of a world wide flood and ask, " If a world wide
flood happened, where did all the water come from ? " As I've pointed out in the past, science seems to
be coming closer everyday to showing us, that scripture indeed holds some miraculous truths.
Where did the water come from ? I believe we have new possibility

It wasn't a worldwide flood. That has been debunked, as there is no evidence to suggest there was ever water covering the entire surface. There was several isolated floods that coincided with the end of the ice age, and science has proven this. The water came from the polar ice caps melting. If you're asking where did the water ORIGINALLY come from, then we have observed comets that contain the same composition as ocean water. It seems pretty likely that multiple comets hit the earth when it was forming and brought the water.

To me, belief in god, big bang, evolution, and aliens are all compatible. The only thing that makes people think twice is literal interpretations of the scriptures, that were written by man and no other evidence suggests otherwise.

reply to post by Prezbo369


Oh no, Ya hey, I didn't discover crap. ok smart guy ? Of course I knew there's condensation in space.
I just didn't know there was a whole damn lake of a water droplet float'in around out there. And a question:

If this isn't news please, what the hell is the article all about?



Barqs

Really? The universe just farted itself together magically? Sounds like you need to read up on the big bang theory.

I thought it sounded like that's what I weas talking about.

Originally posted by mileslong54
reply to post by randyvs

 

Very interesting thread, I supposed if the Earth was to change it's pole location water could have been shifted enough to cover existing land or possible water sources that are under the Earth's surface that are stable but when the planet tilts in the case of a pole shift the water empties from the underground areas and covers existing land.

Pretty sure there is a name for this theory. I will try to find it.