Moon Orbit Wrong Cornell University Says.

Moons been looking pretty typical to me. Im sure if something was wrong with in, millions of people would notice and it would be national news.

reply to post by CherubBaby


Captain sandy J over here.

Cheer up, butter cup. Sensationalism killed your thread before it started.

reply to post by yeahright

Thankyou. I read it. Right up front in the abstract we see the author state:

On the other hand,
the values for the physical and orbital parameters of such a hypothetical body
required to obtain the right order of magnitude for e˙ are completely unrealistic;

Dude is debunking his own article before it begins. No real solutions are offered, just a rehash of others work.

"If you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, then baffle 'em with bull____."

reply to post by ClydeFrog42


I think that is the problem millions of people don't look up, they continue looking straight in front of them, and ignore whats above them. And can we really rely on the NEWS to point out something like that? We can't even get the truth from them. I guess its based on personal "real life" observations if you ask me.

I read the pdf and 1/2 the other thread. The pdf said a couple of interesting things that haven't been discussed here. It said the anomaly was discovered in 2001. That's a year or two before people started to notice something odd about the moon.

It says the anomaly is between 0 and 20 cm year or less. When it was first discovered in 2001 it was very small but still too large to fall within any error margins. It was an unexpected discovery.

It says that as of the last update, which is Feb. 2011, the anomaly is still there. And still unexplained. Efforts are underway to try and explain it based on something happening inside the moon but the author feels that until or if that happens it's worthwhile to continue looking for other explanations.

There was a number in the pdf that was replaced by a URL to a nasa.org site which was not accessible. So the article is missing this piece of information, this number whatever it is.

The explanation with an earth size or Jupiter size or very massive object, from my understanding, would have solved the anomaly except that the earth size or Jupiter size objects would be close enough for existing technology to find them. Although still pretty far away. Not within amateur or amateur telescope range at all. And for the object to be hidden in the Oort, explaining why it isn't seen, it would have to be almost black hole massive because the Oort is so far away. I think these were for the original variance though and not a variable variance.

An elliptical orbit is a chaotic orbit because it is not predictable.

To me, of course, there are and have been easily observable changes in the moon from whatever viewpoints on earth I found myself in. The only difficulty has been in explaining those observations and so thanks OP because this brings a lot of information.

Almost forgot - thanks to the posters re the information from the doc. on closest and furthest approach and how that affects the anomaly. Really good information for a sky watcher to have.

reply to post by ClydeFrog42

Im sure if something was wrong with in, millions of people would notice and it would be national news.

Well sadly that problem with that the millions of people your talking of are to busy watching the TV so they dont pay even pay attention to the night skies anymore.

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You covered in layperson's terms, mostly. Let's just point this out, and maybe go back and re-read it:

An elliptical orbit is a chaotic orbit because it is not predictable.

Actually, all orbits are elliptical. To some extent. Or, all naturally-occurring orbits. Certainly, when it comes to our artificial satellites (spacecraft), we can adjust them to achieve almost perfect circles....but that's not the point.

Did the paper actually say that "all" elliptical orbits are "not predictable" and "chaotic"? Earth's orbit around the Sun is elliptical (all the planets are....especially Pluto. Pluto actually passes within the orbit of Neptune for a time, before moving outward again, well beyond that orbital distance).

The author may have been referring to complex orbital solutions, such as the "three-body" problem:




Oh, and the 'fact' that the anomalies (and, these are teeny, teeny tiny, remember) were only noticed at a certain date could very will be merely due to the collection of more precise data, at some point....and, it being compiled in a certain way.

With enough intelligent minds looking it over, there will be a reason determined. Something a lot more logical and reasonable than a massive "Planet X" out beyond Pluto....since that is patently ludicrous, without even needing to do the math. Just by reasoning it through.

reply to post by luxordelphi


actually - the Lorio paper [ if confirmed ] - flat contradicts the claims of ATS members who insist the moon is in the wrong place based on thier own observations

lorio asserts that [ aproximately ] the moons orbit over 37 years has developed an eccentricity of 15cm [ yes centimeters ] -

PS - in astronomy [ and the context of lorio`s paper ] - eccentricity is the difference between a perfect circle and an ellipse

thats 4mm / year - a typical computer USB cable is 4mm diameter , lorio measured this at a distance of 250 thousand km

and people looking at the moon crying ` its in the wrong place - i can see it ` are using his data as evidence of thier fantasies ??????????????????????????

ROFLMAO

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Oh how I fought with myself to not make a post in his thread here. The ignorance is with him... Calling anybody "experts" because he doesnt agree with you.

@OP, read the post from ignorant_ape above me and finally come to the conclusion that you are dead wrong!

reply to post by CherubBaby


hate to say it but theres only two thing i can think thats done this, Nibiru or the L-CROSS xperiment, which might have affected its balance, or something more mysterious.

Originally posted by CherubBaby
I am threading this frankly because I want those who are not aware or those who just don't know to have a chance to see this and make their own decision. The moon is not right. Many people here on ATS know this. Thousands of people worldwide also are aware. The internet has a mulltitude of eye witness acounts. It is my hope that this will put some light on the doubters and possibly keep the trollers / and derailers away long enough to allow some of you a chance to read so facts that are not opions of mine alone but of Educated people in this field.,,

Moon Orbit Wrong Cornell University associate Lorenzo Lorio, Has Researched i'm sure because of public outcry & observations made by You, my Friends, Visitors & others on the Internet and Concluded that Indeed there Is Something Wrong With The Sun Moon & Earth

The link to the full story and video is below. I only ask that you who do not know or for those that are not sure, please read the story and watch the video. It won't be long before the Dis-info agents attack this thread. That's fine. They are more concerned with being self proclaimed authorities than the possible chance that we all need to sit up and take notice of whats going on HERE AND NOW..

unhypnotize.com...

Can you provide a link to the university's research papers instead of a thread on another forum

That's because it's Dahak. If you are one of the original mutineers, don't even try to leave Earth. Seriously.

/TOA

I do have eyes that see and I take notice, I started paying close attention in the early 2000's when there was supposed to be an eclipse that never happened and the story was then removed from the article the following day.

Every single solar and lunar eclipse that has been predicted to occur has happened. If a story in a newspaper or magazine was removed, it will have been due to the journalist responsible for the article getting his facts wrong, not the astronomers.

I have to say that unless you are being paid to watch the moon then 99% of us don't have the time, inclination or want to watch the moon.If you have then I'm happy for you but you must be pretty rich, very bored or never have met the opposite sex...I jest..

Seriously, my life has enough in a day to fill it up twice over, its hard enough just to do what's important.

Originally posted by CherubBaby
reply to post by ajmusicmedia

 

Frankly I don't care at this point what is causing it, the fact is something is not right with the moon. Thats all I need to know at this point. That explains why thousands of people have reported through observation something isn't right with the moon. Which explains a great deal to me and my inner voice that has told be for almost 8 years that something was different than ever before in my life.

Thus, the issue of finding a satisfactorily explanation for the anomalous behavior of the Moon's eccentricity remains open

I hope that an expert admitting the behavior of the moon is Anomalous and eccentric is enough to give attention to this until we find out why. If we ever do that is..

I don't keep an eye on such things normally but recently ive stood outside at looked at the moon here in the uk and thought ''seems weird, seems, not normally like this'' maybe its just mind over matter but considering I then come here and see a post mande about such a thing, makes me wonder.

Still saying something is ''weird about the moon'' and thats all you state and all those sites state then your really not giving us anything to go on here. Just ''I said, so believe me about something that, well, is my view'' lol sounds a bit ignorant, reason I didnt make a thread.

Ill keep my eye out though.

reply to post by CherubBaby


Our solar system is currently passing through the galactic plane, in line with the super-massive black hole at the center of the galaxy.

I'd say that's more than enough reason for there to be a little tugging on the moons and planets, to slightly change their normal behavior.

Something that has happened thousads of times in the time that mankind has been around. We're all still here...!!

Get over it, its not the end of the world.. lol

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Sorry but the OP was hostile and rude from the get go...

From the OP:

It is my hope that this will put some light on the doubters and possibly keep the trollers / and derailers away

It won't be long before the Dis-info agents attack this thread

They're as guilty as any others, and speaking of which, I see no one at all being rude or condescending towards the op, not until after the OP carries on like a spoiled brat...

Nice to see so many experts show up as usual. You can't prove a thing you say. Nothing. The paper and it's title have not been questioned or refuted. Except by your experts that know nothing.

You again are wrong and guesswork is your middle name? You have no clue what your talking about. If you did you would know that what you presume of others and what they are doing is WRONG. Should I go into the conversations with the local news ? I won't because I don't need to. Don't quit your day job. Your not very good at mind reading or guess work for that matter. You are however good at ranting ... Don't they have a thread for that?

I just wish there was a different crew on duty for a change

Like I used to tell my kids, play with your own toys and show some courtesy

Just wanna add, you should have taught your kids to share Cherub...

Debunked? I will read your thread on the issue. Oh thats right, you don't have any do you?

Surprised. No I am sure your in a basement with your friends, flipping through pages of data the boys from washington have given you

It should also be noted ( In my opinion ) that you know everything about nothing and nothing about everything. You verses are based on prejudicial specualtive guesswork that is at best a poor showing

Is this a Monty Python quote?

Anyway, any rudeness towards the OP, as naughty as it is is warranted in my not so humble opinion.

It's ok to be wrong! And it's even more ok to be told you're wrong..it's how we learn!!

I want to say I am sorry if I offended anyone. I mean it. I would like to explain where I am at on this issue and why. We all have something to say most of the time on ATS. Thats why we come here. To share and to learn. You can add to that whatever else you feel ..

As far as myself personally. I actually learn and get good information. I get "The Other Side Of The Coin" from a great many people on ATS. In many threads and topics. Even people that share a different opinion or believe differently than myself, I keep an open mind on many subjects. Some I am not interested in, not because I don't care but rather I have certain beliefs that I don't need to change. I.E. my spiritual beliefs etc.

That being said, the topic of the moon and or the events taking place in the heavens above are very personal to me. I would be a liar if I told you I am not going to be swayed by facts and testimony. Swayed yes, convinced enough to change, not until I am convinced from within.

I am not here to question a persons IQ. or education or knowlege. At the same time I prefere not to have mine questioned either. This is a forum of what? Fact, fiction, theroy, news, etc That is what ATS is to me. Thats just me

The subject of the moon or chem/contrails for example are touchy topics. In my opinion they are. I believe they are because there are many explanations for them and there are many people that are not able to accept the reasons given to explain them all the time.I can only speak for myself but the reason I have a hard time with these subjects is simple. My heart tells me there is something not the same or not right at times due to times in the past that caught my attention and never left.

I am not an old man but I am not a young man either. I do have one thing I can say I am gratefull for. That is I have a fine mind. I am not unconcious or mentally challanged. I have a fine memory and its filled with great memories and some not so great..

As far as this thread goes. I didn't start it because I felt the Cornell Paper was the hanger that everything is hung upon. I saw the paper as another piece of the puzzle. I know what the books say and have a pretty good idea of the opinions and facts that those who may have an oposing opinion present and why. Still I will continue to look and learn till I am convinced eitherway. At this time I am not sorry for feeling I may be on to something. Time will tell. Thx..

If the moon are really slightly pulling away from us, it means that gravity force of this "unknown" object have to be stronger than earth gravity force affecting moon. So if it's true, earth should even more suffer from gravity pull of this unknown object, because of much higher mass of earth.

There are three options.
1. The object has a very high mass, approximately like mass of jupiter, and it's distance is much further than the doubled distance between earth and moon.
2. Or the object has a mass similar to earth, but it's distance is double the distance between earth and moon.
So basically it has the same distance from moon, as earth, but in opposite direction.
3. The moon isn't constantly pulled away but instead it's eccentrity is changed slightly because of low mass object[object similar to our moon] flying near moon vicinity. It will affect moon eccentricity slightly, but eventually it will return to normal after object leaves the vicinity.

This could only be probable if the object has a very low albedo and near 0 K temperature, so most of the telescopes wouldn't notice it. There's only one object met with this conditions -black dwarf, but it has very high mass, which would affect other planets way earlier.

Indeed something is going on with the moon.
I have noticed things myself.
Good post!!
PLPL

Originally posted by CherubBaby
reply to post by HappyBunny

 

I see you didn't read anything but your gonna give a guess. That is typical.. Thanks for your contribution..

You're welcome.

Unless you're an astronomer or astrophysicist, you're not qualified to give an opinion one way or the other, whether you've read the paper or not.

But I see that hasn't stopped you from getting all hot and bothered over nothing. So all you yourself can offer is opinion.