Moon Orbit Wrong Cornell University Says.

Avid amateur astronomer and club member in my area. While we haven't noticed anything, the idea is possible.

Here is a cool vid that shows the moon's wobble (face, and distance) throughout the year.

www.youtube.com...

I answered these questions on page 7 . In my post at the bottom of the page.

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Would it be something like this?

Originally posted by Illustronic
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Would it be something like this?

Yup. Just higher resolution and the entire year. With the wobble, we se some 56% or so of the moon from Earth throughout the year.

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They have a really really long tape measure.

Originally posted by CherubBaby
The Geek Term you use to describe people who might have an interest. I think that qualifies as an insult. Also how do you know how many people here would be interested?

I'm pretty sure Essan include all the debunker geeks in that statement (including me). Since he's a geek himself, it's kind of a term of endearment.

Originally posted by Chai_An
This is a very interesting post. I love how people on this site know everything while closing their minds to new thoughts and knowledge. Scientists admit they know very little about this planet, the moon, solar system, and universe. To speak absolutely about any of those things is premature. Science is not as exact as people would like to believe so anything's possible, including what people love to call silly, stupid and yes impossible.

Still, while we do not know everything we do know much. The views expressed by those who are willing to study and read are correct in what we do know today. Those who think the moon is somehow in the wrong place so much so that it is noticable with the naked eye are only fooling themselves and it is even more foolish to use this study to substantiate those claims.

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
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There are some Nibiru Truthers here that are keeping that fact hidden until they can prove all of this other stuff going wrong.

And here comes the i dont believe in Nibiru, look already more planets in our solar system has been already found what makes you think it doesnt exist?

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What are the names of those planets that we've recently added??? There are NONE. Matter of fact they took one away as it turns out Pluto is not a planet at all. Sooooo what planets have already been found that we didnt know about before? Source please.

Originally posted by Anthropormorphic

Originally posted by CherubBaby
Nice to see so many experts show up as usual. You can't prove a thing you say. Nothing. The paper and it's title have not been questioned or refuted. Except by your experts that know nothing.

Cherub, I noticed you were online, thought I'd ask a few questions because the the premise of this thread interested me.

Is there anyway you could explain what changes are going on with the moon, in a "dumbed down" way? I read the information from your link and I watched the video, and I'll admit, the phrases and math being used, as well as the photos being shown, did not make sense to me. I am somewhat lost because the paper is introduced as coming from a University, and as being from a purely scientific background which would be Astronomy, but some of the verbage is that of a popular Astrology theory back in the 70's.

"A recent analysis of a Lunar Laser Ranging (LLR) data record spanning 38.7 yr revealed an anomalous increase of the eccentricity of the lunar orbit amounting to de/dt_meas = (9 +/- 3) 10^-12 yr^-1."

I do not understand the above verbage or equation. I looked through the thread and didn't find anyone else explaining it either, so I hope I'm not remiss in asking for a laymans terms description of what it means?.

Though I am familiar with Schrodingers equation, I am also lost here by the rest of the statement,
""Frictional and dissipative terms of the Schrödinger equation are studied. A proof is given showing that the frictional term of the Schrödinger-Langevin equation causes the quantum system to lose energy. General expressions are derived for the frictional term of the Schrödinger equation."

If you wouldn't mind deciphering these two small snippets and math equations (above) I would be very appreciative.


Also with regards to the video, I didn't quite understand the comment at the intro about viable newtonian and "trans plutonian massive objects" ....however, what I do know is that "trans plutonian" theories are based in Astrology, not Astronomy, and are more the realm of Zecharia Sitchin, Nibiru, and interpreting the Zodiac. The trans plutonian theory was introduced back in the 70's and astrologers felt they would be able to photograph the planet in 1980....



All help is appreciated!

Oh no ! You're not going to tell me that the moon is in a box are you? And its up to my personal observation as to whether the moon is dead or alive?

Originally posted by Ironclad
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Our solar system is currently passing through the galactic plane, in line with the super-massive black hole at the center of the galaxy.

I'd say that's more than enough reason for there to be a little tugging on the moons and planets, to slightly change their normal behavior.

Something that has happened thousads of times in the time that mankind has been around. We're all still here...!!

Get over it, its not the end of the world.. lol

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There is no proof of any black hole anywhere in the universe. There is no proof that black holes exist at all. There is only theory. So a theoretical black hole probably isn't pulling on anything. As for the line up to the galactic center. The center being so large that we have been mostly within the center for a few years already and it will take a few years for us to move away from the center. Its not like we will arrive dead center on 12/21 and be off cen the very next day.

Originally posted by Pauligirl

Originally posted by Minori
Indeed something is going on with the moon.
I have noticed things myself.
Good post!!
PLPL

Tell us what you have noticed.
Is everyone that's saying there's something wrong with the moon seeing the same thing, or is it something different to everyone?
I see the moon most nights driving home from work and other than the seasonal changes in location, haven't noticed anything out of the ordinary.

I am wiccan and I use the moon phases for many decisions that I make and actions that I take regarding spells and ritual. I look at the moon all the time. Most nights I go out at least once to look up. I have not noticed anything wrong with the moon. Of course the amount of anomoly mentioned in this paper is so small that I wouldnt notice it anyway.

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Who are you talking to? Put it in a box? What do you mean? I posted my intentions on the bottom of page 7 .

Originally posted by CherubBaby
reply to post by Plotus

 

I see you seem to have it all figured out, and me included huh? I can tell by your long term membership you must really know everything. Once again if you bothered to read my earlier posts this morning you would know why I posted the thread. I see you don't thread much yourself,

This is the second time you have mentioned someones time of membership and the number of threads that a person has posted as somehow relevant but I dont get your point. I have been a member since 2008 I think and I've started three threads. Does that make my contribution to any existing thread less relevant than someone who has started 20 threads?

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You fail to mention the fact that I explained in that post and I will say it again . On page 7 I explained my reason for the thread.

Originally posted by kman420

Originally posted by ngchunter
reply to post by ClydeFrog42

 

Amateur astromoners observe the moon continuously, yet none of them report anything wrong with its position or orientation. We know how it should look and where it should be, and we would know if it were off. I myself even directly measured its position to a resolution far greater than human visual limits, and guess what, nothing is wrong with it. That data is completely ignored by cherub and others who wish to believe something is wrong. They laughably claim that nothing I say "can prove anything." If you seriously believe that then you're not thinking rationally and no one can help you.

Um, sorry to be blunt, but im an amateur astronomer, and i know exactly where and when to see the moon, as do most people who lived here the entire lives and always observed the sky.

And this past 2 months or more many of us are seeing and saying the exact same thing.The moons orbit is not as it should be.

I mean, you can normally see the moon in close proximity to the same place at the same time everynight, but ofcourse it will slightly change its position as the world tilts and what not.

But that doesnt explain why thousands of us from all around the world, can see it straight above us at say, 10pm one night, then not even in the sky at 10pm the next. Then 7pm the next night, then not again for days even weeks. But all of a sudden its back for a few days around the same part if the sky for a few nights around 9pm directly above us, then no where near that positon 24 hours later. and so on.

Im not saying your spreading dis-info, just saying your information doesnt seem to be correct. When thousands of people are saying the same thing, and we are all witnessing it first hand, something seems to be wrong.

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I am sorry but the moon is not doing what you are saying. If you see it at 10 PM straight up one night it will be in a near identical positon the next night with it's position changing slightly until it has made it's complete cycle and then it all starts again. No one saw it one day and then it was gone the next and then back again the day after that. Didnt happen. Could be it was cloudy the next time and they didnt see it or they were looking in the wrong direction but in a open area all you need to do is turn around. Might as well say, it bounced along the horizon while the words to a popular tune were written in the sky below it. Like those old cartoons where you could sing along by following the bouncing ball at the bottom of the tv screen. ( I could be dating myself here...)

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You probably should keep tabs on it and keep a record. It's just a suggestion. Thats what I do. Keep reading and researching. Let your research decide what you believe ..

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Anyone ever notice that the south pole of the moon looks like a naval orange?

Or cheese....

Originally posted by CherubBaby
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Who are you talking to? Put it in a box? What do you mean? I posted my intentions on the bottom of page 7 .

I was being sarcastic regarding Schrodinger and the cat experiment. Look up Schrodingers Cat.

Originally posted by CherubBaby
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You fail to mention the fact that I explained in that post and I will say it again . On page 7 I explained my reason for the thread.

I didnt ask for your reason. I asked what specifically in that article addresses the issues you and others have raised regarding the moon being wrong. You have not told me or anyone what in that article you feel substantiates your claims. What in there supports your views?

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The article.