OWS camp in NYC getting raided - Now .

Originally posted by murkraz
Masses are awaiting to be led back into the park.
The Other 99 Stream

there. i fixed it. sounds much more kosher.

reply to post by CREAM


how about 9/11 truth?

Originally posted by popsmayhem
It is OVER!
www.nydailynews.com...

Judge backs city's ban on Occupy Wall Street protesters' tents at Zuccotti

Now they scatter like cocka roaches.

The ruling by Manhattan Supreme Court Justice Michael Stallman says that city can stop protesters from bringing tents, tarps and other camping equipment into the park.

The decision is likely to be appealed, so it was unclear if the city would immediately reopen the park to people without tents.

Some Occupy Wall Street protesters had already moved to another public space, owned by Trinity Church, at Canal St. and Sixth Ave., where they used bolt cutters to open a fenced-in area.

No revolution, no change, OWS accomplished nothing except
bring surge of crimes, disease, fecal and piss everywhere
not a good movement,

It is over now goobye!

from what i am aware years before OWS existed crimes and diseases have existed everywhere.
6 things OWS has accomplished.

have you visited an occupy city yourself? piss and fecal everywhere? here are some pictures i took MYSELF at occupy L.A yesterday, tell me how much fecal matter and PISS you see everywhere kiddo.

In this picture you can see the cleaning crew picking up trash. (daily trash pick up at 3pm)


as you can see in this picture the occupiers aren't so messy after all.


no fecal matter or piss here.

Has anyone posted pictures of the LRAD that they illegally used on civilians.
Military weapons on civilians tsk tsk. Starting to look like a war.

Seriously if you see one of these at a protest.. break it.


Edit to add: Story from a woman hit by the first use of an LRAD on civilians in the US.

On September 24, 2009, Piper, then a visiting professor at Carnegie Mellon University, decided to observe G-20 protests in Pittsburgh's Lawrenceville neighborhood as research for her book on globalization issues and the responses of bodies like the G-20 to protest activity. She arrived at Arsenal Park around 10 a.m. and saw protestors calmly and peacefully milling around the area. After the protest began, Piper walked on the sidewalk a short distance from the marching protesters, in the company of other curiosity seekers and journalists. When Piper became concerned about rapidly increasing police activity, she tried to leave the area. As she was walking away, police officers activated, suddenly and without warning, an LRAD a short distance away from her. It emitted a continuous piercing sound lasting several minutes. Piper immediately suffered intense pain as mucus discharged from her ear. She became nauseous and dizzy and developed a severe headache. Since then, Piper has suffered from tinnitus (ringing of the ears), barotrauma, left ear pain and fluid drainage, dizziness, and nausea. She still suffers from permanent nerve damage.

www.aclupa.org...

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow

Military weapons on civilians tsk tsk. Starting to look like a war.

It's already enough that semi-automatic weapons are being used to threaten civilians. The line between military and law enforcement has been blurred, and that is alarming.

A government at war with its own people is like something out of a science fiction novel.

Originally posted by L00kingGlass
reply to post by GogoVicMorrow

 

Military weapons on civilians tsk tsk. Starting to look like a war.

It's already enough that semi-automatic weapons are being used to threaten civilians. The line between military and law enforcement has been blurred, and that is alarming.

A government at war with its own people is like something out of a science fiction novel.

edit on 16-11-2011 by L00kingGlass because: (no reason given)

Happening in real time, with all the preconditioning making people go "No way, this is too much like book/movie! Is this really happening?"

It is, of course.

Originally posted by cosmickat
reply to post by GeorgiaGirl

 

but one thing is for sure....voting changes nothing. TPTB are there because they paid for it, not because they were elected. Anyone that thinks different needs to waken up and smell the corruption.

If that is true, then America has no hope.

However, I disagree with you...I think that voting can still make a difference. We still have the power to get rid of these career politicians. We have the power to vote out EVERY ONE of these corrupt politicians of BOTH parties who continue to make decisions that benefit them and their cronies.

If we could come together and focus on cleaning out the House and the Senate, we could really make something happen.

I dunno if someone else has already speculated on this, but the reports about shootings in Oakland as a precursor to evicting the camps got me thinking.

The authorities could easily manipulate an aura of illegality around the camps. Infiltrate with undercovers to spread dissent, poison food and water with hallucinogens. Pretty soon you are going to have people getting paranoid, fights breaking out. Someone taking a gun and shooting someone. Someone else taking a gun and shooting themselves.

All this being reported by a deeply skeptical and resentful media (they like to set the news agenda not have "The People" do it especially when they, The Media, are apparently one of the targets).

It seems quite clear to me that this is what has happened.

Question is, how do you counter it? Can it be countered?

Originally posted by casinoed
I dunno if someone else has already speculated on this, but the reports about shootings in Oakland as a precursor to evicting the camps got me thinking.

The authorities could easily manipulate an aura of illegality around the camps. Infiltrate with undercovers to spread dissent, poison food and water with hallucinogens. Pretty soon you are going to have people getting paranoid, fights breaking out. Someone taking a gun and shooting someone. Someone else taking a gun and shooting themselves.

All this being reported by a deeply skeptical and resentful media (they like to set the news agenda not have "The People" do it especially when they, The Media, are apparently one of the targets).

It seems quite clear to me that this is what has happened.

Question is, how do you counter it? Can it be countered?

It will be countered... by reality itself.

Reality, jobless people in America are beyond desperate.
Millions of people lost their homes and livelihoods.
Millions of people are tired of the lying, the greed, the pandering, the corruption.
They are now being told to shut up, everything is fine, you can feel bad but not do anything about it.

Reality itself, will intervene here. And all the nay sayers are fools. This is the big one. This is the moment for the world. We can see "reality" for the first time. It is hideous and needs to be changed. If the government and the lawmakers are the problem, they need to be changed.

reply to post by thejlxc


I hope you're right, but we are talking about the Evil Empire here. They'll stop at nothing to accomplish their aims.

The protesters are no doubt passionate about their cause and there are many others supporting them. But to rely on an uprising of millions will require a lot of apathetic people to stop being apathetic in a hurry. And such behaviour isn't really consistent with that of apathetic people.

There are a number on ATS who are posting what could almost amount to incitement to civil disobedience. They are either very brave or very stupid. I know in the US there is freedom of expression and all that, but if this thing ratchets up and even begins to look like a real threat, those people are quickly going to find themselves getting hauled off to Gitmo and waterboarded and you name it.

Now they have even acknowledged the assassination of US citizens (Anwar al-Awlaki) - another taboo crossed -whereas before it was always covert. Nobody will be safe.

I mean, seriously? How are you going to counter it???

Originally posted by casinoed
reply to post by thejlxc

 

I hope you're right, but we are talking about the Evil Empire here. They'll stop at nothing to accomplish their aims.

The protesters are no doubt passionate about their cause and there are many others supporting them. But to rely on an uprising of millions will require a lot of apathetic people to stop being apathetic in a hurry. And such behaviour isn't really consistent with that of apathetic people.

There are a number on ATS who are posting what could almost amount to incitement to civil disobedience. They are either very brave or very stupid. I know in the US there is freedom of expression and all that, but if this thing ratchets up and even begins to look like a real threat, those people are quickly going to find themselves getting hauled off to Gitmo and waterboarded and you name it.

Now they have even acknowledged the assassination of US citizens (Anwar al-Awlaki) - another taboo crossed -whereas before it was always covert. Nobody will be safe.

I mean, seriously? How are you going to counter it???

It only takes a very small number of people to make a revolution. Or a civil disturbance. You think the entire populations of America, France, and Russia were involved in the American, French, and Russian revolutions? Not directly. The vast majority goes where the wind blows, always. If they get enough torque behind them it is not impossible they would tip the balance in some way.

Let's be clear I'm not advocating any revolution or disturbance...just noting that its possible with a relatively small number, if history is a guide. And personally I don't think this will come from OWS in the current form. They would have to squeeze harder. But movements mutate.

Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by TupacShakur
reply to post by WhoDat09

 

The girl that is talking in the background of this video is a idiot! They gave them letters telling them exactly what was going to happen to their stuff if they did not remove it, they did not remove it so....... not sure I see the problem here.

Here's the problem:

[color=limegreen]Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or [color=limegreen]abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or [color=limegreen]the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

It's no big deal though, there are thousands of other occupy protests around the world.

edit on 15-11-2011 by TupacShakur because:

And here's the problem with THAT: congress didn't take action to remove the protestors, New York City did.

They did so to protect the REAL peaceful citizens' rights - you know, the ones going about their daily lives. The First Amendment doesn't say you have a right to harass other citizens in the performance of their daily lives, it says CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAWS prohibiting you from seeking redress of grievances from... GOVERNMENT.

normally i agree with you
but not on this
my rights are not conditional on whether you are offended [or made uncomfortable] or not

not one of your better posts i'm afraid

Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger

Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by TupacShakur
reply to post by WhoDat09

 

The girl that is talking in the background of this video is a idiot! They gave them letters telling them exactly what was going to happen to their stuff if they did not remove it, they did not remove it so....... not sure I see the problem here.

Here's the problem:

[color=limegreen]Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or [color=limegreen]abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or [color=limegreen]the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

It's no big deal though, there are thousands of other occupy protests around the world.

edit on 15-11-2011 by TupacShakur because:

And here's the problem with THAT: congress didn't take action to remove the protestors, New York City did.

They did so to protect the REAL peaceful citizens' rights - you know, the ones going about their daily lives. The First Amendment doesn't say you have a right to harass other citizens in the performance of their daily lives, it says CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAWS prohibiting you from seeking redress of grievances from... GOVERNMENT.

normally i agree with you
but not on this
my rights are not conditional on whether you are offended [or made uncomfortable] or not

not one of your better posts i'm afraid

edit on 16-11-2011 by DerepentLEstranger because: fixed post

AND

Originally, the First Amendment applied only to laws enacted by the Congress. However, starting with Gitlow v. New York, 268 U.S. 652 (1925), the Supreme Court has held that the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment applies the First Amendment to each state, including any local government.

It seems fairly clear that local officials are included in having to observe this right guaranteed under the First Amendment.

Municipalities should NOT be able to deny a means to shelter or feed those assembled - until their grievances are redressed. That's where that right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness comes in.

An important discussion....thanks.

Peace.

source

Originally posted by thejlxc

Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by TupacShakur
reply to post by mayabong

 

Welcome to the American police state. Your Constitutional rights are irrelevant, and the law enforcement which you and other Americans pay for will be used to infringe on your rights, arrest you, beat you, and pepperspray you for peacefully assembling.

Sounds fair to me.

Whether or not you're a fan of occupy wall street, I hope you're a fan of the Bill of Rights, because our rights are being trampled on daily.

This is WHY it sounds fair to me. Your right to protest ENDS where my right to travel or go to work begins. Your rights are no more important than mine, and if you intend to trample my rights, you'd best expect to get some trampling right back, plus 10% interest just to let you know I was there.

Wow. So as long as you're doing ok screw the rest of the world? Got it.

If you would be so kind as to point out where I said That, it would be much appreciated - otherwise, retract it.

Please don't take your negativity to the Occupies, it's not needed.

My negativity will be felt at the "Occupations" precisely when and where theirs is felt by me, and proportionally.

The governments, specifically, the bank controlled governments of the world, especially America, step all over you every single day.

No, they really, really don't. They TRY, but haven't got 'er done yet. They pass a law in contravention of already established law, I ignore it, everyone is then OK, no problem. I get more trouble from individuals and private organizations trying to stomp out my rights. They generally get jerked up pretty short, like now. OWS can exercise their rights all they want, until they start stomping on the rights of others. That is where their rights END.

I'm willing to go as far as necessary to convince them of that. WHO is fighting for the rights of the People? The one who stands against the abuse of those rights, or the one promoting the abuse of those rights?

Millions die and starve, right here in the USA, and nothing is done.

Tragic, yes, but a violation of rights, no. We will ALL die at some point in time. Every single one of us. So far, no one has ever gotten out of life alive. I'll clue you in on something - I've BEEN in those starving masses, as a participant, and have gone for days at a time with nothing to eat. Even now, past 50 when most guys are supposed to have some fat and at least a pot belly, I'm as skinny as a fence rail, and that comes, I believe, from the way my body learned to deal with a lack of food when i was younger. Even then, I knew that I didn't have a RIGHT to what belonged to others - only what I could get for myself, and I learned how to get it, not beg.

But if someone is blocking your easy travel, that's really important?

You're goddamned right it is! ANY rights blocked are going to be a problem for the blocker. ANY infringment of my rights or the right of those around me are important, and are going to result in trouble.

Selfishness is the real root of all Evil.

Keep your version of morality - I've already got one of my own that doesn't involve trampling the rights of others.

Originally posted by Unknown Soldier

Who is harassing the citizen? The POLICE! The OWS is not harassing the citizen at all what utter BS!

Are you claiming that OWS HASN'T disrupted and threatened more disruption to other citizens lives? That's what police are FOR - to put a foot on the neck of the bastards trying to mess up your little world by ignoring YOUR rights in preference to their alleged rights.

They are protesting the banks, Wall Street ... not Joe Shmoe on the street.

Yeah.

Why is it that Joe Schmoe in the street is the one who bears the brunt of their ire, then? If they're protesting a bank - let 'em go to a goddamned BANK to do it, then! At least then the citizens' rights they violate are limited to bank employees and bank customers, not the general public at large.

Your logic is laughable, you are putting a spin on the simple fact of the matter in order to protect th elite, to have King Leonidas as your avatar is also hilarious, change your avatar to Theron (played by Dominic West) as it would suit you... do it ASAP please! You stand there and spill lies to the senate with a fork tongue . You are nothing of the likes of what your avatar represents in your obvious agenda.

OWS = 300 spartans!

Yeah.

You assail my logic not by attacking the logic, but by attacking an AVATAR? That tells me all I need to know about YOUR logical abilities.

OWS will be more like Spartans when they grow a pair and go after a legitimate target.

You fight for the corrupt senate a lost cause!

Bullcrap.

I fight for the same people I have always fought for. My friends, my family, and my neighbors. When OWS comes for them, they'll meet up with the unexpected.

You can take THAT to the bank with you when you go there to protest.

Originally posted by Unknown Soldier
If a Nazi donates money to or funds a charity does that make the charity Hitler youth?

Only if the charity ACCEPTS that donation.

I believe in the constitution and when it comes to some people they seem to think it only applies to them.

Like OWS? Their rights are preeminent over everyone elses? They are "more equal" than we are?

A READ of the Constitution will do you no harm - especially if you're going to CLAIM to support it, then DO the contrary.

We will see in the coming months what becomes of all of this win or lose.

Yes we will, won't we?

reply to post by dalloway


Indians Occupying Indian land? Who'd have thunk it?

reply to post by nenothtu


You know this kind of response really makes you look ignorant.

What do you think is so inappropriate about the past Indian occupations being mentioned?

Why the sarcastic remarks in response to that post?

Originally posted by DerepentLEstranger

normally i agree with you
but not on this
my rights are not conditional on whether you are offended [or made uncomfortable] or not

not one of your better posts i'm afraid

Being offended isn't the issue. No one has any right not to be offended. Being DETAINED or obstructed, however, rises above the level of mere offense.

It's no different in substance than kidnapping. The only difference is in degree.