'Occupy Atlanta' Shelter Tests Positive for Tuberculosis

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The 99% don't want to catch what these 1% loafers are incubating, it's a clear losing situation for OWS which forever eradicates their claim to side with the majority.

Originally posted by TinfoilTP
reply to post by CaptainInstaban

 

The 99% don't want to catch what these 1% loafers are incubating, it's a clear losing situation for OWS which forever eradicates their claim to side with the majority.

edit on 13-11-2011 by TinfoilTP because: (no reason given)

Considering the OWS represents the 99%, they seem to be the majority to me

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This is an excerpt from a letter from community leaders to the city of Portland in support of Portland's Occupy movement.

Obviously, the movement's successes have made it a target for those who prefer the status quo. We acknowledge that the Occupy Portland encampment is not without problems. That said, it would be wrong to suggest that the homelessness, mental illness, substance abuse and violence so often highlighted by the corporate media and certain public officials was created by the encampment. Putting the many hardships associated with poverty on public display should be a step towards addressing them, not an excuse for political repression.

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I would say the same sentiment applies to illnesses, such as tuberculosis, which seem to go hand-in-hand with poverty conditions. Occupy or no, people are ill with these diseases, and the problem persists because of poverty. Rather than GLOATING over it, why not lend a hand to help people out?

Really people, look at yourselves. Tinfoil TP, you, among others, are positively giddy with joy at the notion that someone has tuberculosis.. .Why? WHY are you happy? What the HELL is wrong with you and these other people who are pleased by this?

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as usual, fantastic mister fox,
you have come along and said exactly what i was going to
right at the end of the thread.

surely surely surely we can see these diseases and this poverty as something we are working to fix?
or at least not let it detract from the messages that are actually getting through?

also, @tinfoil person.... i may be able to get further than a single word of a single one of your posts
without my lip curling uncontrollably
if you used words like SHEEPLE less.
perhaps if you are so much better you should do something positive instead.


also also; Anthrax.
really.
after that we're planning to resurrect Hitler.

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The 99% wants no part of their disease ridden filth they are claiming as a community.
These socialist enclaves have no authority or authorities to address the real communities of the 99% who are at risk because of them.
This real world health issue on the verge of a pandemic has forever destroyed their poorly fabricated propaganda slogan of representing the 99%. These one percenters can't even represent themselves properly to stay healthy, the real 99% looks at that and wants no part of it.

I wish homeless people could be shown how to do certain things and allowed to do them as well, because people who get shoved into places full of regulations can't do for themselves if they are being told what to do all day. homeless people will feel obligated to sit in certain places all day so they might not get messed with, then they go into places where there are other homeless people and the other homeless people mess with them, but they gravitate towards others because they can't do for themselves.

soap is pretty cheap and pretty easy to make and the fact is, you can lather your skin with a small amount of soap and water... enough water to cover your skin with a lather and you know this isn't much. You should try it just to know that it can be done in case you ever get in a pinch and need to bathe. wipe off the lather very well, reapply just enough water to your skin with a spray bottle or something and work it in until you get that soap off and maybe follow it up with a very diluted small amount of water with a touch of alcohol in it that with act as an astringent to get the soap off and be an anti microbial, you can even take a small amount of a suitable cooking oil like olive or coconut which goes a very long way and apply a small amount of it to your skin with a tiny amount of water which will remoisurtize if your skin gets dry and help protect it by adding lipids and things back to it.

it may not be the most refreshing thing you've ever experienced but it will show you that you can improve your hygeine substantially when stuck in a tight spot with a frugal amount of water. soap made from vegetable glyricine... like different plants you can find that grow in the wild can be made into moisturizing yet low lather soap and the plant extracts provide all sorts of things for it including deodorizing and having medicinal properties for your skin, as long as you pick the right things you can make a very aromatic dark green soap that you would find is very good soap even among retail standards because it's what you make it with and that might not cost money, but rather knowledge. vinegar should be able to be made which acts as a cleanser and stripper because it's acidic & won't cause the problems that making alcohol would, which is a n awesome broad use disinfectant and you can dilute it for a quick hand disinfectant (exactly what sanitizer is) and you can add a drop of an extract and make a deoderizer and put some emollients back into it. if you are homeless a food choice might be oatmeal that you can carry dried and can even use a small portion highly diluted and cover yourself with that and rinse it and not only will it take dirt and excess oils off it will calm irritations you might get from plants outside or bug bites... they sell the same crap in packets called aveeno & the # aint cheap. it sucks toxins out of your skin and brings your ph back to normal. a small amount of baking soda water might not be a fantastic disinfectant but will clean and deodorize your skin quiet a bit.

washing clothes off course would take more water but perhaps less than you would think. you could literally bath and wash your clothes in a big plastic leaf bag inside a tent if people will leave you alone long enough. people don't need to be messing with the homeless and need to watch out for them. you don't need much to get by, but you do need to be left alone to do it and need a few starting items.

soak feet in vinegar water to kill fungus. it will deoderize your shoes and kill fungus. the sun is a disinfectant dryer. vinegar will kill dandruff. salt is antibacterial. you can have a salt water rinse set on your skin for antibacterial and to promote a little exfoliation for certain types of skin problems.

if you ever see me camping anywhere and you see a garbage can moving around and you find me inside because i can easily fit in one, you had better not bother me while i'm taking a bath because if I'm naked and approached by strangers... i won't be getting out to pick up clothes, i will be going for the weapons and hopefully all would understand the situational akwardness and do the right thing... course if i was outside I would not be on the ground, i'd be in a more inaccessible position. i could take a small bath indoors with no tub and spill extremely little water... even in a vehicle, but i wouldn't want to rik spilling that much water in a vehicle for a good long soak... which reminds me a need to strap this large cargo tub to my roof.

these days have got me feeling the need to be prepared, why do you think some rednecks carry those hard plastic tool chests? they serve a dual purpose as a bathtub in a pinch.

it's much harder to live off the woods when you are coming from the city... even if you know these things because location is important... when your people are in the country you can get by camping all the time because you don't need too much more than elements. its harder for others.

Originally posted by TinfoilTP
Now they are coming down with deadly contageous diseases that are a threat to the entire human population but they are too self important to care for any consequences, denial is the order of the day.

Who is "they?"
Be specific.
Be detailed.
Most importantly, be accurate.

You are attempting to argue the validity of your premise of which I see none. Here is your chance to actually provide some.

my roof sun tub is going to be #ing awesome...

i gotta fill er up in the morning and wait till the end of the day to soak, but that would be the best time anyway.

OOO... i need to ask some people around here about SIMPLE SOLAR DEVICES. If you know some simple solar electronics, hit me up- i need to pick your brain. solar manufacturers seem to like to over complicate things when it comes to solar devices. there is so much i could be running off solar with a few mods but i don't know what to stick to what wire... people don't need to be sold thoasands and thousands of dollars worth of equipment they don't understand and can't afford to get started. they need to know how to make their # run off of solar...cheaply... NOW!

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Again, I ask. Why are you so ecstatically happy to see sick people? Can you offer an explanation for this? 'Cause you seem very pleased.

Originally posted by Aim64C
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Again... you just don't seem to get it.

OWS is a large group of people, in close-quarters, in conditions straining to their immune systems.

A highly contagious, and notoriously lethal pathogen has been detected in a nearby homeless shelter used to organize the OWS movement, not to mention the OWS movement has regular interaction with the OWS crowd.

One of the members seems to believe he is safe (and seems to have an attitude as though he represents the whole - which I hope not to be the case) - because he has been tested. The problem is that the test does not verify a lack of exposure or infection, at this point. It can't.

Tuberculosis has an equal opportunity policy. A large group of people is a large group of people - whether you are at a fancy ballroom dance among wealthy people or gathering around a burning barrel for warmth. It doesn't care if you are rallying to support Hitler or rallying to denounce a dictator.

It really doesn't care who started what. It's an organism. It seeks resources to survive and reproduce, and will take what it can get - and thrive where it is easy to get it.

None of that explains what this has to do with OWS or how it is being used against them. TB is bad. So is cancer. Who do we blame for that? There were lots of homeless people hanging around homeless people in that shelter too. While is the thread not about them? There are people that volunteer in those places and also spend a lot of time in close quarters with them. Why is this thread not about the volunteers? Unless it is an obvious and weak attempt to disparage the OWS group, I have no understanding of how they are being highlighted in a story about two homeless people.

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Is he not holding OWS responsible for the two alledged TB cases, he is calling them a dirty filthy horde as a reaction to this news.

And that has... what... to do with what I've said?

So yes, in relation to the OP, it is relevant that the patients probably were infected before OWS came there.

Of course, it could be asked whether or not they would be there were OWS not involved.

Again - simply poking holes.

Your concerns for the crowd are very noble, but don´t tell me that I don´t get it, while I´m actually adressing the OP and the article wich clearly tries to blame this on OWS.

I believe the term is "hater's gonna hate."

One can easily see where OWS has drawn a number of people into the area, and OWS has a bit of a stereotype as being popular amongst the homeless and addict populations - which is not all that undeserved.

So what are you trying to say. that it´s not OWS´fault, but that they should go home now, because of this ``severe outbreak`` of two alledged sick people?

What I am saying is that you have a TB outbreak in an area where there is a concentrated effort to mass people into that area. Testing for infection cannot be done for up to three months after infection (and be reliable) - which means that you are dealing with a three month lag between infection and tests able to determine whether or not the disease has been communicated.

I can't decide for anyone what to do. However - it would be wise to develop precautions for dealing with this sort of thing going forward - to include informing the crowd of the realities of being in such close proximity.

Some would call you a fearmonger, in a different situation.

And if people participating in the OWS movement begin coming down sick with TB - the local organizers and leaders are on the line for manslaughter, criminal negligence, and a host of other crimes for ignoring obvious warning signs and failing to make an effort to address those issues.

There are consequences in life - whether you are prepared for them, aware of them, or not. You can't be expected to foresee every consequence - but you really shouldn't ignore the obvious ones.

Like I said - I don't necessarily think they should go home. They do, however, need to come up with a plan for how to deal with stuff like this.

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And that has... what... to do with what I've said?

Remember this conversation?

Although these things can happen naturally, I really question these Occupy outbreaks. What next? Cholera?

......

It really shouldn't come as a surprise. Part of the reason we go through so many vaccinations and rounds of antibiotics our first week of boot camp is because you have hundreds of different people from different parts of the continent (and a few from other parts of the world) interacting in close quarters - living, sleeping, and eating together. We are also subjected to large amounts of stress that can adversely affect our immune system's ability to respond to new and unfamiliar strains of bacteria and viruses.

Are you not implying that the alledged Occupy outbreak is a direct result of OWS? Just like the OP and his article is doing?

Seems that my comment is pretty relevant to both the OP and your post.

Of course, it could be asked whether or not they would be there were OWS not involved. Again - simply poking holes.

Well as stated before, according to your own information, the 2 infected people must´ve contracted the TB before OWS came there.

And now you mean to say that OWS has kept them in the area? Really, is that what you are trying to say here?

And you still claim that you are not trying to blame OWS?

What I am saying is that you have a TB outbreak in an area where there is a concentrated effort to mass people into that area. Testing for infection cannot be done for up to three months after infection (and be reliable) - which means that you are dealing with a three month lag between infection and tests able to determine whether or not the disease has been communicated.

I would say you are lying. There is no TB outbreak, there are 2 alledged cases. That´s all the info you have. you are making wild assumptions and try to pass em of as fact.

I´m not saying it is not possible, but right now you are fearmongering and spreading propaganda.

And if people participating in the OWS movement begin coming down sick with TB - the local organizers and leaders are on the line for manslaughter, criminal negligence, and a host of other crimes for ignoring obvious warning signs and failing to make an effort to address those issues.

So much misplaced anger....

How do you know what they are doing and not doing at the moment, and what obvious signs do you speak, the rumors about 2 cases?

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000

Originally posted by caladonea
You know what ....my opinion is...TPTB....may have created this TB rumor in Atlanta...in order to have a (supposed) valid reason to shut it down.

You know they did. Ows has just spread to my state. I saw in Little Rock, the capitol of Arkansas that the OWS are setting up shop at the old VA building thats is just being used as a storage facility for the new VA building but should be turned into a homeless shelter instead of going to waste. All those rooms and kitchen facilities are now getting put to use after being wasted for 25 years. The old hospital is in surprisingly good condition.

Oh I really doubt this. TB is endemic in many parts of the populace, and intensely virulent. Very hard to "get a grip on", and with people crammed in to such close quarters with out some medical care (can you hear me, those "cheerleaders" who support OWS? The Mike Mores and others with money, how about fork over some cash to pay for basic public health services if you want to do anything constructive)

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Man, you sound like a rabid dog foaming from the mouth. Why are you so blindly obsessed with demonizing things that you don't agree with?

Yeah, such filth they all are, your fellow countrymen, your fellow humans

In Libya and Syria they just call out the military to crush protests. In Amerika they just call out the Psy-ops teams to keep spoon-feeding "news" like this to us.

OMG it's the bubonic-plague-tuberculosis-violent-drug-fueled-rapists-hippies-communists-living-in-sin-anti-capitalists, better call off the revolution!

Yeah, let's go to a Wall Street Koch-Brothers sanctioned Tea Party event where we can protest how much social security we get and how 100 is way to young to be retiring from our $2-a-day jobs.

If ATS'ers can't recognize a psy-ops campaign when they see one then they haven't been here to long.