They Have The Sky Full Of Spray Today In Nevada.!! How about where you live ?? Pics to prove it

reply to post by jeichelberg


Once again I will try to explain this. I was busy building a home. Thats all I can tell you and I did gather some of the cobwebb like substance, I had it in a 35 mm empty film canaster..I did intend to give it to someone in the know but things of a business nature , which is no ones business but my own, took the focus off the issue. The fact that I also was over two hours from Santa Fe didn't help.

As far as your concerns, ( thats what they are right?) about the dates I mentioned. again the answer is simple. I started noticing in 02-03 the trails lingering and appearing more and more often. If it was goinng on earlier, then it was not as heavy or as often. I would have noticed. The 06 or whatever date your referring to is when the issue in New Mexico took place with the sat phone and the cobwebb like substance.

I assume you also know that everyone in this thread has come to realize that you also have very strong feelings about this topic. In fact to the point of obsession Why don't you admit you have a real problem and seek professional help for it.
. As far as your pretending to know what other posters think in the thread Im sorry but your assumptions mean no more to me than they do to anyone else..You know why? Because your RUDE and I assume a bit slow.

You are one of those types that loves to make a person who is telling the truth into a liar by claiming your authority and misquoting miraculously what I say.
I dont even think you really care if you are slandering someone who is simply saying what happened in their account of things.

Finally you say below,,

1) When the spraying you are describing took place in 2002/2003, having the effect of knocking out your satellite phone and leaving the cobweb/dust substance (both issues DIRECTLY related to the spraying beyond doubt to your mind), why did you not gather the evidence and get an immediate explanation? Where was the documentation, report to authority, attempted resolution, etc., then?
then why the sudden increase in concern now? And if there is increased concern, then why not GATHER SUBSTANTIVE EVIDENCE, and present it in court, instead of merely speculating in what proves to be a useless forum that cannot possibly help alleviate what you consider to be a HUGE problem?

I never called it dust. I called it cobwebb like in appearance. The comment you make "(both issues DIRECTLY related to the spraying beyond doubt to your mind)," I never said they were beyond a doubt related in MY MIND.

Do you have to constantly twist everything someone says so it can suit your slandering and IN THIS CASE trying to PERJURE ME once again saying things I didnt say Who do you think you are ?

Then you end your cross examination type posting with,

instead of merely speculating in what proves to be a useless forum that cannot possibly help alleviate what you consider to be a HUGE problem?

Useless to who? Your opinions are also USELESS, THEY Always ARE. Total speculation and useless to the threads.. They will not alleviate what you consider to be a HUGE problem. I will also speculate as you obviously have proven, your not able to thread on your opinions on this subject I assume because you have no true interest in the subject or knowlege. That is obvious for everyone to see and I assume they have.

Why don't you gather SUBSTANTIVE EVIDENCE, and present it in court, instead of merely speculating in what proves to be a useless bunch of posts !!!!

]reply to post by BenReclused


Milt you need to try to retain what people say that is when you read it. I said it was not freezing. I never said that I thought every jet has nozzles but you also appear to be imbalanced I presume because you keep repeating yourself. and saying things that I didnt say

Now your trying to sell me a bridge? You know they have sites for things you want to sell. Do you need some url's for them. Maybe it would help with your obvious issues Hopefully you will deal with it and put yourself back on the right track.

reply to post by CherubBaby

I never called it dust. I called it cobwebb like in appearance. The comment you make "(both issues DIRECTLY related to the spraying beyond doubt to your mind)," I never said they were beyond a doubt related in MY MIND.

Then if you doubt that they are related, why do you keep implying they are?

So what was coming out of the jet/ ? Something that had the same color as the contrail spray and it killed the signal on my satalite phone as I was talking on it.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I have a satilite phone that gets reception anywhere in the world for the most part. $687.00 phone at 30 cents a minute. I was on the phone as it passed overhead and instantly the signal dropped and I had to drive to another part of the property to regain a signal. The cobwebbs followed within a few days and were clear like gelatine and I never have seen anything before or since then like it..

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Have you noticed that threads you participate in tend to go in circles?

reply to post by CherubBaby

I said it was not freezing.

It doesn't matter! Where there are contrails, there is freezing! Are you trying to imply that it wasn't freezing at the location that the C-130 was sitting on the ground, running, and producing your so called "chemtrails"? I didn't think that even you were that daft. I reckon I was wrong.

I never said that I thought every jet has nozzles

ALL internal combustion engines have exhaust systems, therefore: ALL jets have "nozzles" capable of spraying "chemtrails".

you also appear to be imbalanced I presume because you keep repeating yourself

Perhaps that's because you keep running around in circles. Furthermore, it's more than obvious your presumptions are flawed... I too, question your sanity.

Now your trying to sell me a bridge? You know they have sites for things you want to sell.

I knew that, but I was going to give you a special deal! One that I would never offer to anyone else!

See ya,
Milt

reply to post by CherubBaby

Once again I will try to explain this. I was busy building a home. Thats all I can tell you and I did gather some of the cobwebb like substance, I had it in a 35 mm empty film canaster..I did intend to give it to someone in the know but things of a business nature , which is no ones business but my own, took the focus off the issue. The fact that I also was over two hours from Santa Fe didn't help.

So you admit you have no real evidence the cobweb like substance is related to the contrails you see in the sky. It is a shame that your other business took the focus off of what is, according to you, something affecting millions of helpless innocent people...you had a marvelous opportunity to finally get to the bottom of the issue. Hopefully, the next time the opportunity presents itself, emergent conditions in business will not be so pressing as to disallow presentation of substantive evidence.

I assume you also know that everyone in this thread has come to realize that you also have very strong feelings about this topic. In fact to the point of obsession Why don't you admit you have a real problem and seek professional help for it.
. As far as your pretending to know what other posters think in the thread Im sorry but your assumptions mean no more to me than they do to anyone else..You know why? Because your RUDE and I assume a bit slow.

You are one of those types that loves to make a person who is telling the truth into a liar by claiming your authority and misquoting miraculously what I say.
I dont even think you really care if you are slandering someone who is simply saying what happened in their account of things.

Where have I have slandered you? I have merely pointed out your lack of substantive evidence. Anecdotal evidence is not worthwhile in getting to the bottom of any issue, except in formulating a hypothesis. You have a hypothesis...the planes are spraying purposefully in order to block your view of the night sky in order to cover up 4 separate anomalies, one having to do with the Moon. In addition, one time the plane sprayed something distinctly different, so much so it left a cobweb like substance that clogged up your air conditioning filter. Rather than presenting this evidence for analysis, you took care of more pressing matters...

Rude? Maybe at times, but who isn't...A bit slow? Not hardly...I have kept up the pace quite nicely, thank you. Neither have I made you into a liar...The written record, if anything, will serve to perform that function.

I never called it dust. I called it cobwebb like in appearance.

You are right. You presented this link earlier in the thread:

www.flickr.com...

And how come when these were spraying there were other planes occassionally at the same altitude that left no lines or trails? Why did the air conditioning filters become full of web-like fibers that were almost dust like during the two years these contrails were showing up and make the filters filthy in 1 or 2 days but now the filters are clean again and take the normal 90 days to need replacing? I could go on and on and on with physical and visual proof as well as plain logic.

In addition with this source you stated you stated this:

I also went through the very same thing in 2006-2007

This would be taken as an agreement with the conditions present in the source, which as you can see clearly use the word, "dust."

The comment you make "(both issues DIRECTLY related to the spraying beyond doubt to your mind)," I never said they were beyond a doubt related in MY MIND.

If you did not think they were related to each other, I submit you would have never presented them in this thread. I think everyone here understands this to be the case. You did not need to directly say it. Anybody who is relating any kind of story or tale, whether in written or verbal form, includes only those things they believe to be relevant...

Useless to who? Your opinions are also USELESS, THEY Always ARE. Total speculation and useless to the threads.. They will not alleviate what you consider to be a HUGE problem. I will also speculate as you obviously have proven, your not able to thread on your opinions on this subject I assume because you have no true interest in the subject or knowlege. That is obvious for everyone to see and I assume they have.

Why don't you gather SUBSTANTIVE EVIDENCE, and present it in court, instead of merely speculating in what proves to be a useless bunch of posts !!!!

You see, this is the point. You are the one who believes these are chemtrails. You are the one who believes they are causing you to lose signal on satellite phone, obscuring some anomalous behavior of the Moon, and clogging up your AC filter...
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reply to post by CherubBaby


So,

1) Since the available evidence clearly presents the items in question are contrails, and there is no substantiated evidence to prove otherwise;
2) The skies of the entire globe are not now covered entirely by cloud cover solely created by planes;
3) Since you are, at times, able to present photographic evidence of substantially clear skies, up to and including, night time photographs; and,
4) You were unable to produce the cobweb like substance.

Let us just agree you are the one who needs to collect the evidence...that is, if you really want to get to the bottom of the issue.

reply to post by jeichelberg


I want to make something perfectly clear for you. "If I had all the evidence in the world , I wouldn't show it to you." You know why? You don't deserve it, or my time. For the 100th time I will say it again. I didn't start this thread or any other thread to be put on trial as if I am a liar.

You see it's easy for you to constantly try to discredit and smear people who give an account of what they have see or experienced. That is your way. You think people should be cross examined to see if they pass your litmus test. I personally don't care what you think or conclude. Your opinions are your opinions. Have no misunderstanding in this, I owe you nothing and nothing is what you have coming from me..

You can accuse and smear and insinuate all you want. I don't care if you want to annalyze every word I say or type. I know what I experienced and that is what I have shared and will continue to share if and when I feel like it.

Originally posted by CherubBaby
reply to post by jeichelberg

 

I want to make something perfectly clear for you. "If I had all the evidence in the world , I wouldn't show it to you." You know why? You don't deserve it, or my time. For the 100th time I will say it again. I didn't start this thread or any other thread to be put on trial as if I am a liar.

Lucky for you, this is not a trial...

You see it's easy for you to constantly try to discredit and smear people who give an account of what they have see or experienced. That is your way. You think people should be cross examined to see if they pass your litmus test. I personally don't care what you think or conclude. Your opinions are your opinions. Have no misunderstanding in this, I owe you nothing and nothing is what you have coming from me..

As has been clearly demonstrated throughout many posts on this thread, the available evidence points to one conclusion, thereby rendering opinions moot...the objects pictured in all available photos point to contrails, cloud seeding, fuel dumps, etc...they do not point to chemtrails...I am not stating an opinion...I am stating a fact...there is a distinct difference....Regarding smearing, it is also evident you are the one who engages in this first and foremost...

You can accuse and smear and insinuate all you want. I don't care if you want to annalyze every word I say or type. I know what I experienced and that is what I have shared and will continue to share if and when I feel like it.

Of course you do not like for people to analyze anything...if they did, you would find your worldview and perspective lacking...and we cannot have that can we...

reply to post by jeichelberg


I have said it before and say it again. You have a right to your opinions. What more do you want?

Not sure if anyone has noticed it, but there are two very bright white planes flying around in a circle formation over the north/east part of the city, above the military base. One is flying at a much lower altitude, and the other is flying at a much higher altitude. They are running in opposite circles of each other, holding the same pattern for a very long time now. I have never seen this before. Anyone notice it or know what is up?

reply to post by Awoken4Ever

Yes your right and niether have I..

It's very odd...not sure what to make of it. It's been doing it for about 2 hours that I know of and they just keep going around in circles over and over again.

I watch the sky constantly, every day, and I have never seen this before.

I took this down as another thread was started on this topic. Please see my post below.

I put up a thread about it as it is not related to chemtrails and I don't want to derail the thread...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by Awoken4Ever

Not sure if anyone has noticed it, but there are two very bright white planes flying around in a circle formation over the north/east part of the city, above the military base.

Could be any number of reasons, from some flight testing, to avionics to something else entirely. I'm checking Flight Aware now, but it's 1440 PST, and they don't show up. If they're below 18,000 feet, then they don't have to be on an IFR flight plan, they can be VFR and just talking to ATC (if they are in the Class B airspace).

Here, I looked at the info for Nellis, rather than McCarren Airport.

flightaware.com...

I see, today (7th December 2011) a NASA jet, as shown in the link above. It was local from Nellis today.

The WB-57 is the one seen some years ago over Houston, Texas that happened to make a lot of contrails that day, and caused all sorts of fuss amongst the "chemtrail" believers!! LOL.

NASA WB-57

reply to post by Awoken4Ever


Where are the chemtrails?

2nd.

reply to post by Awoken4Ever


What is it you want to know??

They aren't leaving any trails in your photo, and the "blob" nature of hte photo shows that you don't have enough magnification.

Have you rung the base, nd or do they show up on flightaware.com...?

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul


As I stated in the post above, this isn't related to chemtrails, so I started another post. Proudbird has been helpful over in that post if you want to read more on the topic. I don't want to derail the thread, so I moved on.

You can find us at the other thread.

reply to post by jeichelberg


Your not stating opinion, your stating a fact you say? Prove it.. Prove it with anything other than you saying your right . Your input is pointless and redundantly the same unproven opinions. Nothing more and nothing less

They were spraying like crazy the last 2 days...especially yesterday. What i want to know, is this....how far are these 'contrails' , supposed to stretch? Do they go, as far as the eye can see...and grow, in size...or are they just like the exaust pipe on a cold day? And, do they spread...and make the entire sky go from blue and sunny, to dark and cloudy? This is what i've been observing for at least 2 years now...and have MANY a photo...that i've already posted. I even took a picture TODAY...showing the plane forming this 'trail'.

I'm not going to bother uploading today's photo...because it looks just like the photos i took back in June. But, i ASSURE you...it's identical. Here's another thing i've noticed, when they start spraying; about a day or two later.... is the aluminum taste in my mouth, that last for days. I've asked friends, and they have the SAME taste. Please, explain THAT.

Here's the photos:
"Chem" trails




"Con"trail (Same Day....just before the looooong streaks begin)


The entire collection




I will also say...due to observation, it is WEATHER related. I NEVER get sick, when they spray, but it DOES rain. And it rains....HARD. Not usual, for Sunny Southern California.