EDL planned to attack Occupy London - 156 people arrested

reply to post by freethinker123


The extreme right is pissed because the Occupy movements are bringing up truths that they do not want to face.

I hope they enjoy being on the wrong side of history when this is all said and done. Karma's a hell of a nasty bitch.

reply to post by JohhnyBGood


Complete nonsense. First of all you make it sound as the most important thing in life is to be anti PC. Quite frankly who gives a toss about the anal PC, crowd or the moronic racists hiding behind the PC argument. What we are as individuals bears no relevance and frankly I think you are weak minded for needing some institution. In my relationships I've called personal friends of mine words that are considered not PC that others would frown upon and have been called un PC words as well.
I don't care about society's rules for my personal relationships, but I'm more than happy not to offend anybody by repeating this in public.

How could anybody be hounded out of their job for what they are thinking? Such a device is a figment of your imagination, it doesn't exist. The only way that could happen would be something said or written on company computers at work. You are free to say what you want in your free time, although if you try to get on the tv by being at the front of an EDL 'protest' it might not go down very well with most employers...

I know a couple of people who frequent the EDL rallies. They are racists and always have been since i've know them (one of the reasons i cut all ties with them). One was in the army and when i asked why he went to war with iraq his reply was that he wanted to kill some rag heads. This is the mindset of the average EDL member.


I guess they are angry that Occupy London people dont want to go and kill a bunch of arabic people. I mean why else would they have been be planning on attacking them or maybe they are just too plain dumb and ignorant to see what the bankers have been doing.

I could never be accused of being an EDL supporter; www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
but something about this just doesn't quite sit right.

I've spoken to a couple of people who were there, they went because they thought MAC supporters might have still turned up, and they said they were unaware of any intentions to confront the St Paul's protesters and that they certainly would't have got involvedin such occurrence.

They said there was a bit of a fight between 3 or 4 lads in The Red Lion, they were unsure if it was EDL fighting with each other, and then the OB started arresting people.

I suspect The Police might have panicked a bit and wanted to ensure there would be no confrontation.

Personally I would have to see more evidence than The Police had 'received intelligence' of a planned attack.....I doubt we'll ever get it.

Tomorrow something else will dominate the news, something far more important like some nobody on X-Factor will be in the headlines or someone else will be shaggig Jordan etc, and the public won't be interested....but still the damage will have bee done and people's perception of EDL intentions yesterday will have been formed.

reply to post by n00bUK



That's an awful story mate and unfortunately all too typical of what EDL has become.
Just like to say that not all EDL are such bigots, as I'm sure you're aware, just them pricks who run it have allowed those scumbags into the fold.
EDL could have been so much better.

Be strong my friend and eventually we will rid this country of the horrible and despicable Muslim extremists and the equally odious racist scumbags and we'll make this country great and something we can ALL be proud of.

reply to post by Aeons


Do you have proof off these incidents occurring?

Or are you just posting false accusations, in an attempt to bring down the Occupy London?

A coincidence members of the E.D.L are arrested, (which I find bizarre, after all the EDL supports the UK Troops), just a day after the Idiot of a Home Secretary, banned the Islamic group, from protesting in the UK. The group is no longer allowed to preach or demonstrate in the UK anymore.

Mind you they will just come up with a new name and reconvene under it.

I'm thinking everything is getting deliberately diluted by both sides of the media.

The MAC are provocative bastards, what they are doing is wrong (attacking the symbol of the fallen), but it's (so far) non-violent but it insults pretty much everyone in England and is quite the wrong way of going about highlighting current issues with the war-climate, pissing off an entire nation is NOT the way to highlight the atrocities of war.

The EDL probably started out with good intent, but was hijacked long ago by violent, racist bastards and is now nothing but a group of thugs and confused, working class men who probably joined with good intent but got soaked up in the right leaning, casual violence under the banner and pretence of 'defending England'.

The UAF are hypocrites, as they only target the far right and won't tackle the issues of other provocative groups such as the Muslims against crusades, thus they appear too PC and thus become associated with defending extremists. This tends to be a left leaning, working/middle class group and have been known to be provocative to the EDL and vice versa.

The police have their hands full. They have to deal with all sides, aswell as complaints from all corners of the public.

The public are the ones who get shat on. By everyone.

Originally posted by AnonymousFem
reply to post by Aeons

 

Do you have proof off these incidents occurring?

Or are you just posting false accusations, in an attempt to bring down the Occupy London?

A coincidence members of the E.D.L are arrested, (which I find bizarre, after all the EDL supports the UK Troops), just a day after the Idiot of a Home Secretary, banned the Islamic group, from protesting in the UK. The group is no longer allowed to preach or demonstrate in the UK anymore.

Mind you they will just come up with a new name and reconvene under it.

I'll see what I can dig up. I read these in the Guardian I believe. Or at least two of the three.

I don't know that I saw the one on any media....but I've seen posts by observers who don't seem to be related to either side, just general public members.

reply to post by freethinker123


I hate the EDL, but this is just completely wrong and this is how they treat people in China. They have every right to stand up for what they believe in, regardless of how ignorant it is. Otherwise, whats the point? This is absolute proof we live in a dicktatorship.

reply to post by Firefly_


Well thats part of the point isn't it? The question is - is there a limit to political extremism, or is Muslum Fundamentalism and neo-fascism acceptable in the name of democracy.

And standing up for what you believe in is fine, provided you do it in a non violent way. Getting drunk, fighting at football matches, targetting / physically attacking minorities or those you disagree with politically to me is not acceptable.

reply to post by freethinker123


Ah, but the more you hem people in from legitimate discourse the worse it gets.

This is exactly what has been happening. Introduction of fast overwhelming change without proper discourse allowed.

This is a situation which is guaranteed to produce political violence.

Even rewarded. The only cultural boundaries which are respected, are the ones willing to commit violence to prove they mean it. Pluralism as code for cultural annihilation UNLESS you are willing to prove you really mean it.

This is what you get when you let elitist bureaucrats have control over everything.

reply to post by freethinker123


From what I understand, and correct me if I am wrong, is that the people arrested were not actually engaging in any acts of violence. I know from first hand experience that the police can and will lie in order throw their weight around, regardless of any actual intent. This is more than likely just a case of the thug police being typical thug police. #s and scum of the nation, they are far worse than any of the EDL/MAC style groups, because they are engaging in the activities they are supposed to protect us from.

Originally posted by Freeborn
I could never be accused of being an EDL supporter; www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
but something about this just doesn't quite sit right.

I've spoken to a couple of people who were there, they went because they thought MAC supporters might have still turned up, and they said they were unaware of any intentions to confront the St Paul's protesters and that they certainly would't have got involvedin such occurrence.

They said there was a bit of a fight between 3 or 4 lads in The Red Lion, they were unsure if it was EDL fighting with each other, and then the OB started arresting people.

I suspect The Police might have panicked a bit and wanted to ensure there would be no confrontation.

Personally I would have to see more evidence than The Police had 'received intelligence' of a planned attack.....I doubt we'll ever get it.

Tomorrow something else will dominate the news, something far more important like some nobody on X-Factor will be in the headlines or someone else will be shaggig Jordan etc, and the public won't be interested....but still the damage will have bee done and people's perception of EDL intentions yesterday will have been formed.

reply to post by n00bUK

 

That's an awful story mate and unfortunately all too typical of what EDL has become.
Just like to say that not all EDL are such bigots, as I'm sure you're aware, just them pricks who run it have allowed those scumbags into the fold.
EDL could have been so much better.

Be strong my friend and eventually we will rid this country of the horrible and despicable Muslim extremists and the equally odious racist scumbags and we'll make this country great and something we can ALL be proud of.

I agree with 99.99 % of what you post, i star nearly everything you post & follow allot of you're post's x.

EDL had potential, but its been infiltrated by the conman hooligan who has no direction with their hate. I understand their point of view, that's why i marched with them, but they accept people to protest with them who are racists twats and use EDL's marches's/number to push their own agenda.

I was very upset when this happened to me, because i thought this was something i belonged to, clearly not and im glad they shown their true colors before i even went to another march

1 min 35 clearly shows police brutality. no matter what your opinion is on the edl this is not right.

reply to post by Thetawave


Off course you will have those on the side of the Police stating they were acting professionally, just like the dumbo blonde reporter on Sky crappy news, when she was asked wither she thought they were going OTT when it was 5 officers on One protestor at Trafalgar Square. she rebutted the question, by stating the Police were acting professionally. See how bias the Media are now a days.

Wither you agree with the EDL or not the Police are becoming thugs now a days.

reply to post by AnonymousFem


The Police have always committed acts of thuggery against the British public.
The Miners Strike and The Battle Of The Beanfield were two such instances that had a lasting effect on me.

I always thought that The Police were there to enforce the law, nowadays they simply think they ARE the law.

reply to post by Freeborn


Exactly, you do not have to tell me something I already know, my Cousins have been the victim of police beatings etc, and have never been able to prove it, although we know, something went on in those police cells. Certain Scottish Police Officers were guilty of doing this. And most of the times they are not held to account for their actions.

And when they are held accountable, most of the cases are dealt with behind closed doors, not in full knowledge of the Public. Also most of the cases, involving Officers Misconduct, are either just put on their records or they are given the option of resigning of moving to another police authority.

There is holding the police to account. It is a complete joke.

reply to post by Aeons


Are you saying that for example radical Islamic Fundamentalist groups that are suspected of connections to terrorists should be allowed to operate because if they are hemmed they will get worse?

Introduction of fast overwhelming change without discourse is indeed a wrong way to go about things, but I get the feeling we are talking about immigration now. In a sense emmigration from other countries is organic and little to do with the introduction of change. The UK is a relatively successful country and as a result poorer people want the benefit of living / working in the UK.

In the end I'm a bit confused about the points you are making - are you advising extremists / fundamentalists to violence because it is respected?

What is a joke is the attitude of some people towards the police. How is stating what the police will do inflammatory? If you don't want them to do what the say they will do to uphold the law, then don't be disrespectful, don't riot (regardless of the reason) as innocent people suffer, don't loot (as innocent people suffer).

Quite simply if you are not doing anything wrong then you have nothing to worry about. The media however do play a part in increasing the complete disrespect of the police from the young, they also are not unbiased. In fact in their efforts to be unbiased they become biased, usually to the detriment of law and order.

reply to post by freethinker123


You can be hounded out of your job however if you are found to belong to such Groups as the EDL, or I.A.C. or any other group.

Teachers for example are banned from being members off such groups. Although they would not openly say that they were members. A lot have to keep it to themselves. In case of loosing their jobs. So it is not such nonsense, as you put it.

Incase you think I am joking:

Headteachers are to be given the power to dismiss teachers who are members of the BNP or other groups which have an "extremist tenor".

The pledge by the education secretary, Michael Gove, follows the case of a BNP activist who used a school laptop to post comments describing some immigrants as "filth". Gove said he would allow school heads and governing bodies to sack teachers for membership of the far-right party. Members of the BNP are barred from working as police or prison officers.

Guardian

And also there is this link:

Metro

reply to post by Thetawave


Yeah its heavy handed, but this is the eviction of a large group of men who have been drinking and who are largely current or former football fans.

I've been to many football matches and this kind of treatment is part and parcel of what you expect. Even though I've never been involved in hooliganism, I've been thrown out of matches, had my details taken, pushed by policemen, chased by policemen on horseback etc etc.

So we are all victims of police heavy handedness, its a pity isn't it that EDL do not sympathise with Occupy London and the way they are treated by police. Instead they would rather beat them up, after 5 or 6 pints.

I am interested to know though why are only men in EDL?