The Relationships Between The Nubians & Ancient Egyptians.

The Edfu text tells us that they were NOT from Egypt but that they were the survivors from an Island in the West that was destroyed by a flood....Basically Atlantis.

Would you be so kind as to link to that portion of the Edfu texts which says that?

I think we should discuss relationships between ancient Egyptians and ancient Nubians, not whether Egyptians were black or white, again I state they are mixed. But it doesn't really matter, what they really were is humans, just like any of us here...

Originally posted by Hanslune

The Edfu text tells us that they were NOT from Egypt but that they were the survivors from an Island in the West that was destroyed by a flood....Basically Atlantis.

Would you be so kind as to link to that portion of the Edfu texts which says that?

I recently read Andrew Collins book Gods of Eden and there are a few chapters dedicated to the edfu text. The same message however seems to be repeated in other ancient Egyptian writings and you can read that here: www.atlantisquest.com...

In summation, a catastrophe occurred which darkened the sun and disturbed the gods, but Thoth led them across the sea to an eastern country [Egypt]. Thoth is depicted as the "controller of the Flood," (Leyden Papyrus) and the Theban Recension includes the Island of Fire in the Flood story. (Papyrus of Ani, Chap. CLXXV) Thus it appears that Thoth was once the ruler of an Island Kingdom beyond the western horizon before the Egyptian priests turned him into a god. The question therefore is: Was the Egyptian Tehuti-Thoth originally a migrant from Atlantis, and did he once rule as a king there?

Originally posted by Zander2533
I think we should discuss relationships between ancient Egyptians and ancient Nubians, not whether Egyptians were black or white, again I state they are mixed. But it doesn't really matter, what they really were is humans, just like any of us here...

Well that’s easy...WAR!…they hated each other!

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As've told you, there were good and bad times between ancient Egyptians and ancient Nubians.

If they hated each other all the time then how do you explain all those Nubian men working respectively in Egypt and marrying Egyptian women? They did wage war, but there was still some understanding, peace and toleration between them from time to time...

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Howdy

Well you posted to a link with material from a noted fringe writers - not to the original texts.

Fringe writers are not noted for their slavish attention to detail or truth

In summation, a catastrophe occurred which darkened the sun and disturbed the gods, but Thoth led them across the sea to an eastern country [Egypt]. Thoth is depicted as the "controller of the Flood," (Leyden Papyrus) and the Theban Recension includes the Island of Fire in the Flood story. (Papyrus of Ani, Chap. CLXXV) Thus it appears that Thoth was once the ruler of an Island Kingdom beyond the western horizon before the Egyptian priests turned him into a god. The question therefore is: Was the Egyptian Tehuti-Thoth originally a migrant from Atlantis, and did he once rule as a king there?

So it would appear he (you've not looked at the originals have you?) is cherry picked data, taken out of context, assembled and applied to a conclusion.....lol

The question asked above was

The question therefore is: Was the Egyptian Tehuti-Thoth originally a migrant from Atlantis, and did he once rule as a king there?

No, he was an Egyptian god

The Leyden papyrus X (P. Leyden X) is a papyrus codex written in Greek at about the end of the 3rd century A.D

The Papyrus of Ani is a papyrus manuscript written in cursive hieroglyphs and illustrated with color miniatures created in the 19th dynasty of the New Kingdom of ancient Egypt (1250 BC)

Hmmm so he took sentences from one sources that was written in Greek, 1,500 years after the other document was written in Egyptian.....I would humbly suggest that you read those materials in their whole before believing anything Collin's would write...I would also point out that over time, the AE religion evolved

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Then the primeval mound came into existance by the agency of Hedjeti. Ptah emerged therefrom to protect his twins in his likeness of Shm-hr
The Shebtiw visited them at their going to Heracleopolis to embue with power the substances jointly with their brethern. They went there after they joined with them, they being at their head, abiding in their persons in nb-sfyt like Re in his great seat.
Their statues were erected in The-place-in-which-the-snake-was-punished and the evil-doer was punished because of his evil deeds. Their images shall not be destroyed in "The Mansion of the Ram", and their statues shall never perish in Mesen.

jelinkova isn't fringe

Originally posted by Parta


jelinkova isn't fringe

E. A. E. Jelinkova? Is she saying that they came from Atlantis?

Originally posted by Hanslune

Originally posted by Parta


jelinkova isn't fringe

E. A. E. Jelinkova? Is she saying that they came from Atlantis?

oh i'm sorry. are there alot of jelinkovas that write about edfu?

as it happens the body of water the texts are talking about is neserser [okeanos] and that is where the hidden circles of ra were so yes she is talking about atlantis.

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Please quote where they say that. Or is that your interpretation?

Originally posted by Hanslune
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Please quote where they say that. Or is that your interpretation?

quote where they say what? do you say the primeval mound isn't in nun? do you say neserser isn't nun? or that the circles of re were not built for him by those that live in neserser? and that they flooded? or that nun is okeanos? or that atlantis isn't on okeanos or more accurately the flooded plain [lake] of atlas? or that okeanos is the atlantic [its not]. this is pretty basic stuff

Originally posted by Parta

Originally posted by Hanslune
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Please quote where they say that. Or is that your interpretation?

quote where they say what? do you say the primeval mound isn't in nun? do you say neserser isn't nun? or that the circles of re were not built for him by those that live in neserser? and that they flooded? or that nun is okeanos? or that atlantis is on okeanos or more accurately the flooded plain [lake] of atlas? or that okeanos isn't the atlantic. this is pretty basic stuff

Nope, I'm saying a story about a mound isn't evidence for Atlantis

Please quote the words in CONTEXT that state they said this and it means what you are stating - that shouldn't be hard now should it?

Originally posted by Hanslune

Originally posted by Parta

Originally posted by Hanslune
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Please quote where they say that. Or is that your interpretation?

quote where they say what? do you say the primeval mound isn't in nun? do you say neserser isn't nun? or that the circles of re were not built for him by those that live in neserser? and that they flooded? or that nun is okeanos? or that atlantis is on okeanos or more accurately the flooded plain [lake] of atlas? or that okeanos isn't the atlantic. this is pretty basic stuff

Nope, I'm saying a story about a mound isn't evidence for Atlantis

Please quote the words in CONTEXT that state they said this and it means what you are stating - that shouldn't be hard now should it?

still don't get it. which part. the story isn't mound centric its lake centric but since you've never read it or any other text this is a bit useless neh?

you have no idea about any atlantis stories do you from your schpeel about the atlantic ocean and the pillars of hercules.
read something from before plato eh? read anything actually.

Originally posted by Parta

Originally posted by Hanslune

Originally posted by Parta

Originally posted by Hanslune
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Please quote where they say that. Or is that your interpretation?

quote where they say what? do you say the primeval mound isn't in nun? do you say neserser isn't nun? or that the circles of re were not built for him by those that live in neserser? and that they flooded? or that nun is okeanos? or that atlantis is on okeanos or more accurately the flooded plain [lake] of atlas? or that okeanos isn't the atlantic. this is pretty basic stuff

Nope, I'm saying a story about a mound isn't evidence for Atlantis

Please quote the words in CONTEXT that state they said this and it means what you are stating - that shouldn't be hard now should it?

still don't get it. which part. the story isn't mound centric its lake centric but since you've never read it or any other text this is a bit useless neh?

you have no idea about any atlantis stories do you from your schpeel about the atlantic ocean and the pillars of hercules.
read something from before plato eh? read anything actually.

LOL, so Parta reality has come up and slapped you in a face. You should have not problem providing the quotes from the person you brought up. Why can't you do that?

We know YOU believe it is Atlantis and that belief and 4 bucks will buy you a bowl of soup. What I'm interested in is your source clearing stating and in CONTEXT that they believed an Egyptian myth is Atlantis.

Please backpeddle some more

Originally posted by Hanslune

Originally posted by Parta

Originally posted by Hanslune

Originally posted by Parta

Originally posted by Hanslune
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Please quote where they say that. Or is that your interpretation?

quote where they say what? do you say the primeval mound isn't in nun? do you say neserser isn't nun? or that the circles of re were not built for him by those that live in neserser? and that they flooded? or that nun is okeanos? or that atlantis is on okeanos or more accurately the flooded plain [lake] of atlas? or that okeanos isn't the atlantic. this is pretty basic stuff

Nope, I'm saying a story about a mound isn't evidence for Atlantis

Please quote the words in CONTEXT that state they said this and it means what you are stating - that shouldn't be hard now should it?

still don't get it. which part. the story isn't mound centric its lake centric but since you've never read it or any other text this is a bit useless neh?

you have no idea about any atlantis stories do you from your schpeel about the atlantic ocean and the pillars of hercules.
read something from before plato eh? read anything actually.

LOL, so Parta reality has come up and slapped you in a face. You should have not problem providing the quotes from the person you brought up. Why can't you do that?

We know YOU believe it is Atlantis and that belief and 4 bucks will buy you a bowl of soup. What I'm interested in is your source clearing stating and in CONTEXT that they believed an Egyptian myth is Atlantis.

Please backpeddle some more

no sir. i asked you a multiple part question so i could answer all you questions accurately and fully.

you tell me what part of what i said you want to see quotes for.

i can show you where you are wrong about the atlantic ocean and the pillars of hercules. start there?

hans:This power came forth out of the Atlantic Ocean, for in those days the Atlantic was navigable;

the original text says

"This power came forth out of the pelagos of atlas, for in those days the pelagos was navigable."

later it says

"Your country paused at-some-time a power carrying simultaneously a dual arrogance upon all of Europe and Asia after stirring-up the outback from headquarters in the pelagos of atlas."

at perseus.tufts you find that a definition of pelagos is a plain flooded by fresh water ie a lake
perseus

hans:pillars of hercules clearly at gibratar.

in critias it says
"who had for his portion the extremity of the island near the pillars of Heracles up to the part of the country now called Gadeira after the name of that region, was Eumelus in Greek, but in the native tongue Gadeirus,—which fact may have given its title to the country."

so gadiera and the pillars of hercules are on the pelagos of atlas

Herodotus, Histories
“Herakles, driving the cattle of Geryones . . . Geryones lived west of the Pontos, settled in the island called by the Greeks Erytheia, on the shore of Okeanos near Gadeira, outside the pillars of Herakles.”

so gadiera and the pillars of hercules are on okeanos [okeanos potamos]

homer says...

“Leaving the lovely lake of Okeanos, Helios (the Sun) leapt upwards into the brazen sky, bringing light.”

and

When you have sailed [from the island of Aiaia] through the river Okeanos, you will see before you a narrow strand and groves that are Persephone’s . . . then beach the vessel beside deep-eddying Okeanos and pass on foot to the dank domains of Haides.”

so atlantis was on a part of the freshwater "sea" okeanos called the flooded plain of atlas.

okeanos is equated with the lake of flame in the egyptian underworld paradise, the abzu of the sumerian underworld paradise and vourukasa of the zoroastrian underworld paradise. the circles built by yima get flooded by vourukasa, the bolts [circular fetters] of enki that bar the abzu get flooded by it and the circles built for ra get flooded by the lake of flame.


whats next?

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LOL Parta you are so predictable

This thread is about, 'The Relationship between The Nubian & Ancient Egyptians'

Again, as you always do you try to bring up your pet theory about Atlantis being in a lake in Central Europe

Its off topic and did you actually post quotes I made from another thread in this one? (very weird)

You want to talk about all this stuff - again, fine start another thread, you can call it 'Parta's vision of Atlantis in a lake'

Oh but it was fun to make you back down on your claims, as aways

Start another thread Parta

Originally posted by Hanslune
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LOL Parta you are so predictable

This thread is about, 'The Relationship between The Nubian & Ancient Egyptians'

Again, as you always do you try to bring up your pet theory about Atlantis being in a lake in Central Europe

Its off topic and did you actually post quotes I made from another thread in this one? (very weird)

You want to talk about all this stuff - again, fine start another thread, you can call it 'Parta's vision of Atlantis in a lake'

Oh but it was fun to make you back down on your claims, as aways

Start another thread Parta

now i'm doing what you said and you get personal again. do you have anything but that? certainly not much.

i can show you atlantis sure. there is a european union national geoligical institute travelling all over the world saying just that in the proper scientific manner. do you have some important position in this world to match theirs? wikihead doesn't quite have the punch.

Originally posted by Parta

hans:This power came forth out of the Atlantic Ocean, for in those days the Atlantic was navigable;

the original text says

"This power came forth out of the pelagos of atlas, for in those days the pelagos was navigable."

later it says

"Your country paused at-some-time a power carrying simultaneously a dual arrogance upon all of Europe and Asia after stirring-up the outback from headquarters in the pelagos of atlas."

at perseus.tufts you find that a definition of pelagos is a plain flooded by fresh water ie a lake
perseus

Interesting.

I suppose, then, that the Greeks considered the Mediterreanean to be a flooded plain, else why did they refer to the Aegean Sea as the Aigaion pelagos?

No, "pelagos" is a term meaning the high seas, navigable, deep ocean waters.

Harte

The primordial mound is what the pyramid itself represents. Essentially a hill encompassed by 3 rings and on top of the hill a temple (probably a pyramid). Directly under the apex of the pyramid is an underground chamber (abzu) and in the centre of that chamber is a miniature pyramid which looks like a capstone (ben ben stone). The concentric rings are flooded by fresh water some of which came from a naturally heated spring.


I wrote a thread on Atlantis and personally believe it is off the west cost of Ireland, it is the place where the aos is come from, literally the people of the mound (síde)
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by Harte

Originally posted by Parta

hans:This power came forth out of the Atlantic Ocean, for in those days the Atlantic was navigable;

the original text says

"This power came forth out of the pelagos of atlas, for in those days the pelagos was navigable."

later it says

"Your country paused at-some-time a power carrying simultaneously a dual arrogance upon all of Europe and Asia after stirring-up the outback from headquarters in the pelagos of atlas."

at perseus.tufts you find that a definition of pelagos is a plain flooded by fresh water ie a lake
perseus

Interesting.

I suppose, then, that the Greeks considered the Mediterreanean to be a flooded plain, else why did they refer to the Aegean Sea as the Aigaion pelagos?

No, "pelagos" is a term meaning the high seas, navigable, deep ocean waters.

Harte

perhaps you failed at finding atlantis because you can't read? or are you saying you know more than tufts?

from perseus
3. flooded plain, γίνεται π. Hdt.2.97, cf. 3.117.

and yes the mediterraean is a flooded plain. look at it around 10000bc

read that herodotus story perseus quotes. its about atlantis.