IRAN has attacked no one in 100 yrs? How many countries has USA?? =L

reply to post by purplemer


Purplemer, Thanks for a really good post, it spells it out pretty well.

reply to post by Gorman91


Excellent observation.
Thanks for contributing some level headed non overemotional clear thoughts on the subject

Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by Gorman91

 

Excellent observation.
Thanks for contributing some level headed non overemotional clear thoughts on the subject

OMG really this is getting better and better.. !!
Please, please explain to me how an off topic remark brings clear thought to the subject.

Originally posted by ignant
...
i guess we 'helped' Iraq cope with Iranian terrorists by killing Saddam and millions of civilians

...

The U.S. has killed millions of Iraqi civilians?... Really?...

Care to show evidence for this and not the LIES from leftwinger groups?...

I wonder why a MAYORITY of Iraqi tribes in the largest section of Iraq sided with the U.S. and allies and have been fighting what the LEFTWINGERS call "freedom fighters"?...

The Anbar Tribes vs. al Qaeda, Continued

By Bill RoggioNovember 22, 2006




Sunnis continue to turn on al Qaeda in the heart of the Sunni Triangle









Iraq. Click map to view.


The Anbar tribes' turn against al Qaeda has developed significantly since the end of the Anbar Campaign late last year, which swept al Qaeda and the insurgency from the major towns and cities west of Ramadi. Over the past year, the majority of the tribes have denounced al Qaeda and formed alliances with the Iraqi government and U.S. forces operating in the region. Numerous 'foreign fighters' have been killed or captured by the tribes. The tribes are working to restore order, and are providing recruits for the police and Army, despite horrific suicide attacks on recruiting centers. These attacks have not deterred the recruiting, but in fact have motivated the tribes to fight al Qaeda.
...

www.longwarjournal.org...

Humm...

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


The Lancet surveys of Iraq War casualties from 2003-2006 estimates 601,027 Iraqi deaths.. Incase you do not know what the lancet is...

The Lancet, one of the oldest scientific medical journals in the world, published two peer-reviewed studies on the effect of the 2003 invasion of Iraq and subsequent occupation on the Iraqi mortality rate. The first was published in 2004; the second (by many of the same authors) in 2006. The studies estimate the number of excess deaths caused by the occupation, both direct (combatants plus non-combatants) and indirect (due to increased lawlessness, degraded infrastructure, poor healthcare, etc.).

en.wikipedia.org...

I recently listened to a radio programme that put the total deaths of the war at well over a million...

reply to post by purplemer


You don't attribute ALL of those deaths entirely on the US do you?

Originally posted by purplemer
The Lancet surveys of Iraq War casualties from 2003-2006 estimates 601,027 Iraqi deaths.. Incase you do not know what the lancet is...

Here is a small section from the "Death Log" from a thread a year or so ago here at ATS. I'm in no way downplaying Coalition caused deaths but you're right projectvxn it counts quite a bit of NON Coalition caused deaths Which includes Automobile Accidents, Friendly fire [US/Allies] Enemy fire [Iranian/Saudi supported insurgents] Heart attacks, Civilian Criminal activities etc etc etc

Every Death in Iraq with Lat/Long

9488 01/01/2004 03:00 Non-Combat Event Accident FATAL VEHICLE ACCIDENT IN BAGHDAD (ZONE 1) - 2 KIA

9507 01/01/2004 09:26 Non-Combat Event Accident 1/1 ID 5-TON TRUCK ACCIDENT S. OF AR RAMADI: 1 FKI...

9543 01/01/2004 12:00 Criminal Event Murder UNIVERSITY DEAN FOUND DEAD

9549 01/01/2004 16:30 Friendly Action Other GAS STATION SET ON FIRE; 1 X EN KIA, 2 X EN WIA
63A65482-0487-4D2C-93F6-E3AD2637CDA0 01/01/2004 16:30 Criminal Event Arson TF DIMONIUS personnel guarding CIMIC house, report...

9670 02/01/2004 06:45 Friendly Action Cache Found/Cleared I/3/3 ACR OP SECURES CACHE SOUTH OF HADITHAH; 4 EK...

9590 02/01/2004 10:42 Explosive Hazard IED Explosion IED ATK ON 101 FSB CONVOY EAST OF AR RAMADI: 2X WI...

9619 02/01/2004 11:58 Explosive Hazard IED Explosion 2-325IN COMPLEX ATTK IN ZONE 47: 2X KIA, 3X WIA

9593 02/01/2004 12:21 Enemy Action Direct Fire SAF ATTACK ON OH-58 SW OF FALLUJAH;1 X CF KIA, 1 X...

9633 02/01/2004 16:25 Enemy Action Indirect Fire MTR ATTACK ON 2/3IN VIC BALAD: 1X US KIA, 5 US WIA

9684 03/01/2004 00:48 Friendly Action Raid 1-8IN CONDUCTED A RAID VIC SOUTH OF BALAD, 11X IZ ...

9688 03/01/2004 03:33 Friendly Action Other ATTEMPTED TCP RUN IN ZONE 15: 1X IZ KIA

9685 03/01/2004 06:00 Friendly Action Raid 1-508IN CONDUCTED A RAID VIC MASTUL, 1X IZ KIA, 5X...

9696 03/01/2004 12:30 Non-Combat Event Demonstration DEMONSTRATION IN AS SAMAWAH NL BG AO: 1X IZ KIA, 5...

9746 03/01/2004 16:45 Non-Combat Event Accident TRAFFIC ACCIDENT KBR CONVOY W/LOCAL IZ

33C4A4D5-88E5-456A-B6A0-D467327C344E 04/01/2004 09:00 Non-Combat Event Accident TF Samus patrol reported a car accident between 1 ...

9808 04/01/2004 23:22 Enemy Action Direct Fire SAF ATTACK ON 3BCT PATROL VIC TAL AFAR - RETURN FI...

9832 05/01/2004 13:30 Enemy Action Direct Fire SAF ATTK ON TF RIE N. OF FALLUJAH: 2X TF RIE KIA, ...

9851 05/01/2004 14:18 Enemy Action Direct Fire SAF ATTACK ON IPS VIC MOSUL;1 X IPS KIA, 1 ENEMY W...

9863 05/01/2004 18:15 Enemy Action Direct Fire RPG AND SAF ATTACK ON 2 X CIV VEHICLES VIC MAHMUDI...

9869 05/01/2004 19:18 Friendly Action Attack PATROL ENGAGES 10 X EN; 2 EN KIA

9879 05/01/2004 23:08 Explosive Hazard IED Found/Cleared 5X INDIVIDUALS ENGAGED FOR EMPLACING AN IED VIC HA...

9952 06/01/2004 20:42 Friendly Action Attack ENEMY ENGAGED WHILE PLACING IED VIC AL FALLUJAH;1 ...

9974 07/01/2004 07:00 Enemy Action Direct Fire SAF ATTK ON A/1-8IN VIC SAMARRA: 11X DETAINED, NO ...

9989 07/01/2004 14:40 Non-Combat Event Accident SHOOTING ACCIDENT AT BRAEMER RANGE VIC BASRAH;1 X ...

9994 07/01/2004 16:40 Enemy Action Direct Fire SHOOTING IN BAGHDAD (ZONE 38W):2 X ICDC WIA;1 X EN...

10006 07/01/2004 18:45 Enemy Action Indirect Fire MORTAR ATTACK LOG BASE SEITZ; 30 WIA AND 1 KIA 071...

9992 07/01/2004 18:55 Non-Combat Event Accident NTV ACCIDENT IN BAGHDAD (ZONE 36S); 1 X NEUT KIA

B3985302-653D-43D6-B823-CE57A0468556 08/01/2004 07:15 Other Other A C/S found a body of an unknown male at the side ...

03A06B59-07B9-4248-8DDD-F5519197E275 08/01/2004 14:00 Criminal Event Murder C/S visiting the hospital in AZ ZUBAYR spoke with ...

10045 08/01/2004 14:22 Non-Combat Event Accident UH-60A CRASH S. OF FALLUJAH: 9X US KIA

10068 08/01/2004 16:01 Enemy Action Direct Fire SAF ATTK ON KBR CONVOY W OF BALAD: 1X TCN KIA, 2X ...

10067 08/01/2004 16:40 Enemy Action Direct Fire RPG ATTACK ON B/1-8IN PATROL: 5X VEH, 2X IZ KIA, 1...

10076 08/01/2004 18:45 Enemy Action Direct Fire SAF ATTACK ON ICDC SOLDIER - 1 X KIA

10124 09/01/2004 14:00 Explosive Hazard IED Explosion IED DETONATED IN BAQUBAH: 4X IZ KILLED, 36X IZ INJ...

10164 09/01/2004 20:25 Suspicious Incident Other 2-503 PATROL RESPONDS TO DOMESTIC VIOLENCE VIC KIR...

10162 09/01/2004 20:51 Enemy Action Attack INDIRECT ATTACK ON KIRKUK AB; 1 X EN KIA, 3 X EN W...

10186 10/01/2004 09:39 Friendly Action Attack INTERPRETOR FOUND SHOT IN THE HEAD IN ZONE 51: 1X ...

10177 10/01/2004 10:45 Enemy Action Direct Fire VIOLENT DEMONSTRATION AND GRENADE ATTACK IN AMARAH...

10240 10/01/2004 21:20 Criminal Event Theft C/1-8IN ENGAGES 40X IZ STEALING FUEL VIC SAMARRA: ...

10263 11/01/2004 07:40 Enemy Action Direct Fire 3X FEMALE IZP SHOT IN AD DIWANIYAH: 1X KIA, 2X WIA

10233 11/01/2004 10:00 Enemy Action Direct Fire ATTACK ON IRAQI POLICE VIC ASH SUYUKH: 1X IZP KIA

10259 11/01/2004 12:00 Non-Combat Event Accident 16CSG VEH ACCIDENT VIC AS SAMAWAH: 1X IZ KIA

10298 12/01/2004 10:07 Explosive Hazard IED Explosion IED STRIKE ON D/51 SIG CONVOY (ZONE 9); 2 X WIA; 1...

10324 12/01/2004 11:54 Enemy Action Direct Fire SAF & RPG ATTK ON 1-16IN N OF AR RAMADI: 5X DETAIN...

10337 12/01/2004 16:00 Enemy Action Direct Fire ATTK ON IZP VIC MOSUL: 1X IZP KIA, 1X IZP WIA

10375 13/01/2004 07:30 Friendly Action Other DEAD IZ MALE FOUND IN VEHICLE VIC BAGHDAD

10398 13/01/2004 08:35 Criminal Event Murder DEAD IZ FOUND ON MSR TAMPA S OF BALAD

10412 13/01/2004 16:45 Enemy Action Direct Fire SA ATTACK ON C/1-8IN PATROL: 4X IZ KIA, 1X IZ WIA,...

10416 13/01/2004 19:45 Enemy Action Direct Fire SAF ATTACK ON 2-325 (ZONE 26);1 X EN KIA

10433 14/01/2004 06:15 Friendly Action Other FEMALE SOLDIER KILLED AT MOSUL AIRFIELD

10443 14/01/2004 08:30 Explosive Hazard IED Explosion VBIED ATTACK IN BAQUBAH;2 X NEUT KIA,11 X IZ SEC W...

10458 14/01/2004 09:00 Enemy Action Direct Fire DIRVE BY SHOOTING AT IZP TCP VIC MOSUL: 1X IZP KIA

10447 14/01/2004 10:34 Enemy Action Direct Fire SAF ATTK ON US-ESCORTED KBR CONVOY VIC MUNSHA: 2X ...

10446 14/01/2004 11:48 Enemy Action Direct Fire 282 QM ATTACKED BY SMALL ARMS VIC SAMARRA: 2X US W...

10463 14/01/2004 16:00 Enemy Action Direct Fire 1X IZP SHOT AND KILLED WHILE WALKING IN NORTH MOSU...

10466 14/01/2004 19:47 Friendly Action Attack TANK PATROL ENGAGES 4X DISMOUNTED IZ VIC BAQABAH: ...

10467 14/01/2004 19:55 Enemy Action Direct Fire SAF ATTK ON BFV SECTION VIC JALULA: 1 X IZ KIA

10504 15/01/2004 09:40 Criminal Event Murder IZ CIVILIAN KILLED WEST OF AR RAMADI; 1 NEUTRAL KI...

10543 15/01/2004 18:00 Explosive Hazard Mine Strike CIVILIAN BUS HITS A MINE VIC TIKRIT; 3 X NEUT KIA,...

10550 15/01/2004 18:45 Enemy Action Indirect Fire MORTAR/SAF ATTACK ON 1-325I FOB IN BAGHDAD (ZONE 2...

10553 15/01/2004 18:57 Enemy Action Direct Fire RPG ATTACK ON QRF VIC HUSAYBAH;2 X EN KIA

10592 16/01/2004 03:45 Enemy Action Indirect Fire ROCKET ATTK IVO AL HILLAH: 2X IZ WIA (ABDATE MND-C...

10585 16/01/2004 08:30 Friendly Action Other TRAIN COLLISION SOUTH OF AN NASARIYAH: 3X NEUTRAL ...

10586 16/01/2004 10:40 Non-Combat Event Accident CAR ACCIDENT WITH 1BG'S VEHICLE IN AL HILLAH: 1X I...

10628 16/01/2004 18:00 Non-Combat Event Accident DEATH OF A SOLDIER

10626 16/01/2004 18:20 Non-Combat Event Accident VEHICLE ACCIDENT IN BAGHDAD (ZONE 37N);1X NEUT KIA...

10673 17/01/2004 10:20 Friendly Action Patrol IZ CAUGHT SELLING BLACK MARKET FUEL NW OF AR RAMAD...

CDBD2ED8-40A6-4830-AD84-5083FEA3E5D6 17/01/2004 11:47 Explosive Hazard IED Explosion *IED ATTK ON 2-20FA IVO TAJI: 3 DET, 2 IP KIA, 3 C...

10699 17/01/2004 12:10 Criminal Event Murder SAF ATTACK ON AL JAZEERA POLICE CHIEF AND 3 BODY G...

10697 17/01/2004 14:15 Enemy Action Direct Fire DRIVE BY SHOOTING AT MOSUL HOSPITAL; 1 X NEUT KIA,...

10712 17/01/2004 21:05 Explosive Hazard IED Explosion IED ATTACK ON PUK VEHICLE VIC JALULA; 1 X NEUT KIA...

10711 17/01/2004 21:55 Non-Combat Event Accident IED DETONATES PREMATURELY;2 X EN KIA, 1 X EN WIA

10734 18/01/2004 08:05 Explosive Hazard IED Explosion VBIED ATTACK AT CPA ( 1-35A) CP1 ZONE 1:20 X NEUT ...

10765 18/01/2004 12:09 Friendly Action TCP 20 ARMED BDE FIRES ON VEH AT TCP N OF BASRAH

10779 18/01/2004 16:56 Enemy Action Direct Fire SAF ATTACK ON ICDC CP VIC BALAD;1 X ICDC KIA, 3 X ...

10784 18/01/2004 21:50 Enemy Action Direct Fire SAF ATTACK ON SCOUT PATROL AT ILLEGAL TCP VIC BAYJ...

10815 19/01/2004 07:30 Enemy Action Direct Fire 2BCT RPTS IZ POLICEMAN SHOT AND KILLED IN MOSUL

10877 19/01/2004 20:00 Enemy Action Direct Fire DRIVE-BY SHOOTING OF IZ POLICE STATION EAST OF AR ...

10922 20/01/2004 15:50 Enemy Action Attack SA ATTACK ON CONVOY VIC BALAD:1X IZ KIA

10929 20/01/2004 20:32 Enemy Action Direct Fire SMALL ARMS ATTK IN BAGHDAD: ZONE 35 2 X IZ KIA

10974 21/01/2004 08:00 Explosive Hazard IED Explosion 3BCT RPTS CIVILIANS AMBUSHED VIC AL FALLUJAH: 3X I...

10983 21/01/2004 13:35 Non-Combat Event Accident 20ARMDBDE RPTS ACCIDENTAL DEATH OF A SOLDIER VIC A...

10984 21/01/2004 18:33 Enemy Action Indirect Fire MTR AND ROCKET ATTACK ON FOB WARHORSE (BAQUBAH); 2...

10993 21/01/2004 19:20 Explosive Hazard IED Explosion IED ATTACK ON 1-505PIR ELEMENT VIC AL FALLUJAH: 2 ...

11053 21/01/2004 22:15 Enemy Action Direct Fire SAF ATK ON ISKANDARIYAH POLICE STATION; 1 EKIA

11078 22/01/2004 18:10 Explosive Hazard IED Explosion EXPLOSION IN COMMUNIST PARTY HQ BAGHDAD (ZONE 9);2...

11089 22/01/2004 21:00 Friendly Action TCP VEHICLE ATTEMPTS TO RUN A TCP;1 X EN KIA

11104 23/01/2004 06:00 Non-Combat Event Accident IZ VEHICLE STRIKES AN M2 AT A B/1-12IN TCP IVO SAM...

11121 23/01/2004 10:00 Enemy Action Direct Fire 2BCT RPTS SAF BETWEEN IPS AND ICDC VIC MUQDADIYAH:...

11129 23/01/2004 20:20 Non-Combat Event Equipment Failure OH-58D CRASH NORTH OF Q-WEST: 2X KIA

11152 23/01/2004 23:10 Criminal Event Murder DEAD BODY FOUND IN BASRAH: 1 NEUTRAL KIA

11155 24/01/2004 09:10 Explosive Hazard IED Explosion IED ATK NORTH OF FALLUJAH: 2 COALITION KIA, 1 PLS ...

11176 24/01/2004 09:45 Explosive Hazard IED Explosion 2BCT RPTS IED EXPLODED: ZONE 31; 2X IZKIA, 4XIZ WI...

11180 24/01/2004 10:20 Explosive Hazard IED Explosion VBIED ATK IVO SAMARRA CITY COUNCIL BUILDING IN SAM...

11189 24/01/2004 16:14 Explosive Hazard IED Explosion VBIED EXPLOSION N. OF KHALIDIYAH BRIDGE; 3 CF KIA,...

11213 24/01/2004 20:55 Enemy Action Direct Fire GRENADE ATTACK ON DISMOUNTED PATROL IN SOUTHEASTER...

11201 24/01/2004 22:15 Enemy Action Direct Fire 1BCT RPTS RPG ATTK ON PATROL VIC BAYJI: 1 US KIA

11251 25/01/2004 00:15 Criminal Event Other 3BCT RPTS EXPLOSION IN AD DIWANIYAH: 1X IZ DEAD

11239 25/01/2004 01:50 Friendly Action TCP VEHICLE CHARGES 4-27FA TCP IN ZONE 8S: 1 IZ KIA

Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by purplemer

 

You don't attribute ALL of those deaths entirely on the US do you?

Well whos idea was it to invade Iraq...

reply to post by purplemer


I knew you'd ignore the sectarian violence.

And the fact that the Lancet report was based largely on unverified accounts.

reply to post by SLAYER69



Yes it gives an idea of the amount of the people that would still be alive if the coalition forces had not been there....

May they and all that have been died in the conflict and war Rest in Peace

reply to post by purplemer


Historical context dosent matter! ok cool so the countless number of attacks funded and carried out by the extremist Iranian government. Need not context. So i guess we understand eachother

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by purplemer

 

not the picture though, and indeed no historical context.

Historical context is everything. See I'd have no problem nuclear bombing nazi Germany for 50 years and more and destroying 75% of Germans in Europe. When nations elect war hawks whom see no purpose but to kill, I have no choice but the greet them with similar mindsets.

That's the difference then. I'd destroy whole nations in war for the goal of building schools over their corpses.

When war is not occurring peace is the highest goal.

When peace is ended, war begins.

In war, genocide is the goal. I have no problem with body counts, so long victory occurs.

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Would it be allright if USA was nuked for reelecting G.W.Bush in 2004 ?

Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by purplemer

 

I knew you'd ignore the sectarian violence.

And the fact that the Lancet report was based largely on unverified accounts.

edit on 10-11-2011 by projectvxn because: (no reason given)

You may not like the facts. That is you opinion but the Lancet Survey is science not opinion/ That is why it was published in two peer reviewed papers..

The Lancet, one of the oldest scientific medical journals in the world, published two peer-reviewed studies on the effect of the 2003 invasion of Iraq and subsequent occupation on the Iraqi mortality rate.

en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by purplemer

 

You don't attribute ALL of those deaths entirely on the US do you?

Also the Lancet report has been proven numerous times here at ATS to be flawed.

Huge gaps between Iraq death estimates

And on 20 October, Science Magazine reported the queries of researchers at Oxford and Royal Holloway universities. One of them, Sean Gourley of the Physics department at Oxford, said their studies "have found fundamental flaws [in the Lancet report] that lead to an over-estimation of the number of deaths. "

One aspect they questioned was the selection of sample households chosen for interviews. There could be "main street bias", they said, in that households on main streets were more likely to suffer casualties from car bombings. They want an inquiry into the methodology. "It's almost a crime to let it go unchallenged," said Neil Johnson of Oxford.

Source

That report, based on the extrapolation of limited surveys, was later found by some in the academic community to have serious flaws.

Now The Lancet has published another report on casualties in Iraq, looking narrowly at the toll on civilians from suicide bombers. Their data was drawn from Iraqbodycount.org, which has kept track of casualties in Iraq using press reporting since the start of the war. The numbers – almost certainly an understatement since not every act of violence makes it into the press – are staggering.

Originally posted by purplemer

Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by purplemer

 

You don't attribute ALL of those deaths entirely on the US do you?

Well whos idea was it to invade Iraq...

Lets take it a bit further..............

Along with other human rights organizations, The Documental Centre for Human Rights in Iraq has compiled documentation on over 600,000 civilian executions in Iraq. Human Rights Watch reports that in one operation alone, the Anfal, Saddam killed 100,000 Kurdish Iraqis. Another 500,000 are estimated to have died in Saddam's needless war with Iran. Coldly taken as a daily average for the 24 years of Saddam's reign, these numbers give us a horrifying picture of between 70 and 125 civilian deaths per day for every one of Saddam's 8,000-odd days in power"

IRAQ: Deaths under Saddam Hussein


“It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, more vengeance, more desolation. War is hell.”~William Tecumseh Sherman

Originally posted by TechniXcality
reply to post by purplemer

 

Historical context dosent matter! ok cool so the countless number of attacks funded and carried out by the extremist Iranian government. Need not context. So i guess we understand eachother

yawn
Error 404 -Lots of hot air found!
Please supply me with the countless number of attacked the Iranian government and supply proof. So i can update my list...

reply to post by sonnny1


WTF This thread has nothing to do with the deaths under Saddam.. ! You are in some kind of error...!

Originally posted by purplemer
Yes it gives an idea of the amount of the people that would still be alive if the coalition forces had not been there....

What a load of CRAP.

We are not responsible for Heart attacks, Home fires, Automobile accidents, Homicides, Civilian robberies etc etc .

Get a grip on reality.

Originally posted by purplemer
reply to post by sonnny1

 

WTF This thread has nothing to do with the deaths under Saddam.. ! You are in some kind of error...!

You Originally brought up Iraq,didnt you??????

Originally posted by purplemer
Well whos idea was it to invade Iraq...

Are you using your points ONLY to justify your stance???

reply to post by SLAYER69


Say what you wish,but it is of service. It is the ONLY peer reviewed papers i am aware of on the subject. Therefore pertaining to a higher level of accuracy than the other political sponsored reports..