IRAN has attacked no one in 100 yrs? How many countries has USA?? =L

reply to post by AlertInMi


No. I have already repeated on the previous page my original comment. This has been ignored.

This thread a good example of why you should never pay attention to politics on ATS.. People on this forum so far detatched from reality and so far into team politics its pointless... They call everyone sheep while they tend to be the real sheep.

For the benefit of those who weren't paying attention.

Can you or any other member provide me with links as to how many U.S troops have died in Iraq or Afghanistan as a direct result of Iranian interference? I mean actual proof. Solid figures.

That's my original comment. Read it. Now show me the proof that Slayer has apparently provided. I've ALREADY discussed this. What he provided was not proof to my question.

Originally posted by Kram09
reply to post by nightbringr

 

On the contrary I do not want America to be harmed, nor do I want Iran or any other country to come to harm.

I am just highlighting the hypocrisy of the United States again.

I understand that, and as i said earlier, im am not a fan of American warmongering either.

However to hold up Iran as an example is certainly not helpful. They are as destructive and deceptive as any country.

reply to post by Kram09


Do you have an issue with comprehension then? He provided sources and proof, yet you keep asking for them..
Are you aware of the word "debate" ?? This would be the point where you either argue his points and sources, or concede. You can't just keep asking for sources, when you haven't properly addressed what was already offered...

Let me guess.... Your writing from a tent in an Occupy "movement" ??

I have a hard time having a conversation with someone who lets hate and paranoia influence their logic..

"It was not proof to my question"

Re read your post.. You are adding impossible and unreasonable "conditions" Why condition the question? Back door escape? WHO ELSE would be concerned with Irans involvement OTHER THAN coalition Govts. that are affected by Irans involvement?? NOBODY, that is why the only reports you will see are from either the US or a coalition Govt. You already stated that wasn't acceptable... So your conditioning the question, making a completely rediculous situation.

"Actual proof" - After witnessing your contempt for America and Americans in general, I feel you wouldn't find any evidence to be "actual proof"

reply to post by AlertInMi

when you haven't properly addressed what was already offered...

Yes I have....look back on the last page or the page before!

reply to post by Kram09


Yes, yes

We can all read no need to keep re posting it out of desperation. I've provided my evidence Iran has been involved. Whether you agree with it or not is irrelevant.

Now post your proof that they are not involved.

We are waiting.

No.. what we're saying is that US "invaded" Iraq and Iran (presumably) support attack on the invaders to keep them out of middle east where they have no business being.

Don't just react to how you see things, but educate yourself on what "caused" the problem in the first place, the rest is just a chain reaction of the initial problem.... US invading a country with NO CAUSE to establish a base in Middle East! (not considering stealing their oil and growing poppies to be sold in US)

Originally posted by BurningSpearess
reply to post by ignant

 

Oh, I guess Iran has suddenly lost interest in their guerilla/suicide-bomber/"terrorist"-style attacks in Iraq?

Is that what you are saying?

edit on 9-11-2011 by BurningSpearess because: clarity

I have a hard time having a conversation with someone who lets hate and paranoia influence their logic..

reply to post by Kram09


There is no hate or paranoia here. I have no hate towards Slayer. I don't even know him. It's getting a bit heated, but it doesn't mean I hate him. I don't hate you either.

Originally posted by nightbringr
reply to post by projectvxn

 

What an ignorant post.

I suppose the Iran-Iraq war wasnt really a war. They were playing airsoft.

I suppose years of Iran funding Hezbollah for their attacks on Israelis and their own arab brothers are nothing.

I suppose years of funding Hamas for their attacks on Israelis are nothing.

Perhaps you think funding and training Iraqi insurgents are nothing. Many of the IEDs that have killed US soldiers were Iranian made and funded.

What exactly is your point? And no, im not saying the US is any better. I hate their war mongering too, but it seems to me people like you actually like the repressive Iranian regime simply because they stand up to the USA. Well newsflash, two wrongs dont make a right.

Someone wasn't paying attention.

I was refuting those very claims.

Here's my posting history within the thread:
All of my posts in this thread.

Try reading the thread before making yourself look foolish.

reply to post by SLAYER69


Slayer.....okay you've read my comment.

You've failed to provide what I asked.

reply to post by ignant


Pretty transparent when the title is a straw man argument.

What the US does or does not do is irrelevant to what Iran is or is not.

You seem to have forgotten that Iran works through puppets and is in other countries all the time. If they are actively seeking to control other countries using puppets, its no different than a direct attack.

Iran knowingly harbors Terrorist organizations and when you do that, you are involved in any country they are involved in.

Iran's Revolutionary Guard Force is a Terrorist organization that is in many countries and its under the direct sponsorship of Iran. They also support Hezbollah fully which is another group trying to control other governments.

Iran has repeatedly supported incursions into Iraq and enables the attacks on other Muslims that have caused more deaths among Muslims than all the wars.

Saying that because another country does something wrong in your eyes is an excuse for wrongs committed by Iran is ludicrous on it's face and extremely immature. It sounds like a five year old child saying "yeah but Johnny did it" It's also quite telling when people are opposed to what the Iranian citizens want which is freedom from the tyrannical Theocracy.

This is the worst kind of propaganda for the worst possible reason. Only a person who agrees with the insane Theocracy could make such an argument.

With only a few exceptions I have seen a quite a few of the US bashers come from England That is so precious considering England's history... Then the thread devolved into the evil zionist blah blah as expected. Remember folks Iran is actually a theocracy. Which means the hypocritical argument using christian America falls short. A religious gov't is more about control than it's peoples best interests. If anyone cares to recall Ahmijinadad has been in-fighting with the grand mullahs recently. He stays in power at their sufferance. He may just be the sacrificial lamb the mullahs need to stay ahead of the game. Oh yea and how can US involvement in UN actions be considered the US attacking/invading a country? Because the US picks up the slack for the rest of nato? Crap Iran has it's own issues that it tries to keep out of the eyes of the west and Russia and China will use Iran to be the foil for the US for as long as it works to their advantage. Way too much investment for those two not too.

reply to post by Kram09


Thought so...

You were pretty good this morning bursting out of the gate with over the top rhetoric but lack in long term testicle fortitude with supportive facts..

I'm out

PEACE

reply to post by Kram09


Ok here is proof, while I will assume these reports are not good enough for you.

www.longwarjournal.org...
www.navytimes.com...
dailycaller.com...
www.sinodefenceforum.com...
westernfrontamerica.com...
www.nytimes.com...
www.cfr.org...
www.guardian.co.uk...
www.cbc.ca...
www.foxnews.com...

I knew writing this, that you would not accept any of these sources...

Originally posted by Kram09
reply to post by SLAYER69

 

Why can't Iran have a share of the pie anyway?

If they want to supply oppresive or tyranical groups with weapons why can't they?

What's good for the goose is good for the gander right?

I may be mistaken but I think that the point that people are making is not that Iran shouldn't be allowed to do it but merely that they are doing it. Some people appear to believe that Iranians are born with gold shiny rings around their heads.

Originally posted by Kram09
Can you or any other member provide me with links as to how many U.S troops have died in Iraq or Afghanistan as a direct result of Iranian interference? I mean actual proof. Solid figures.

What makes you think that the proof that you're looking for is 'linkable'?

reply to post by SLAYER69


Okay I'm out too. You have avoided my question completely and you seem unable to admit that you can't provide proof.

It's basically you can't provide what I asked so you deflect it and put the onus on me. This ridiculous. I expected better from you to be honest.

You need only read back three pages or so to see this.

reply to post by Soshh

What makes you think that the proof that you're looking for is 'linkable'?

Exactly! If it isn't it's quite simple to say so and just accept that and move on. Slayer could not do this.

reply to post by buddhasystem


I know every Sunday when the NFL games are on. They say the games are being shown to soldiers in 175 countries and sailers at sea.

reply to post by AlertInMi


No, I accept the sources. I'm reading them.