Luna Cognita video: A clandestine (top Secret) Apollo 12 EVA!

Luna Cognita strike again. This video (1 hour) it is like a sharp autopsy on the Apollo 12 mission and on what NASA hide from a long long time. The question is: WHY? A covert, off the record operation on lunar surface at "Statio Cognitum" (Known Base). The purpose of this video is to provide a deeper, comprehensive examination into the considerable evidence that surrounds one very specific classified incident that took place during the Apollo 12 mission.


Other related thread on this topic: www.abovetopsecret.com...
Thanks to Easynow and Luna Cognita.
When a Mars Cognitum?

That is a pretty long watch. Care to share to us the gist of the video? What exactly did NASA hide from the public during that mission and why?

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Very Arken, I'll save this link to look at night. I'm sure it must be worth it. An hour of Luna Cognita is a great gift. S&F for the finding.

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Thanks Russo, my friend. Glad to see you here, again...

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Just reading the good stuff

But this thread worth the comment my friend.

Thanks again.

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Don't be scared of this rather long video. I was too... but it's HYPNOTIC!
Trust me.

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If you can whet my appetite, I may be tempted to watch that very long video.

Originally posted by wavemaker
That is a pretty long watch. Care to share to us the gist of the video? What exactly did NASA hide from the public during that mission and why?

I watched the first 10-15 minutes or so, and scanned around the net to find more background story, but the essense is that in 2006 a historian at NASA wrote a document that has a few sentences that disagree with "the official story".
The whole 1 hour video expands on that and builds up a huge conspiracy theory involving secret communications, secret photos, secret radio technicians, secret ground controllers etc...

The disagreement on the story is whether Conrad and Bean popped open the upper hatch to stick their head out and take a look at the lunar surface before going outside (via the front hatch) for the lunar surface EVA... or not.

Thats all.

Mind-boggling, and truly the best evidence I have seen so far that indeed there was a lot of secrecy and censorship involved in the Apollo missions and beyond. The private radio transmissions, the covert EVA, and NASA and the astronauts outright admitting by accident that these took place, fascinating.

Here's the ATS thread about it:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by Arken
Luna Cognita strike again. This video (1 hour) it is like a sharp autopsy on the Apollo 12 mission and on what NASA hide from a long long time. The question is: WHY? A covert, off the record operation on lunar surface at "Statio Cognitum" (Known Base). The purpose of this video is to provide a deeper, comprehensive examination into the considerable evidence that surrounds one very specific classified incident that took place during the Apollo 12 mission.

Other related thread on this topic: www.abovetopsecret.com...
Thanks to Easynow and Luna Cognita.

When a Mars Cognitum?

edit on 9-11-2011 by Arken because: (no reason given)

That is a great video! Thanks for posting it. Luna Cognita is to be commended for all their research and work. If everyone keeps asking questions and searching for the truth about our Moon, maybe one day we'll finally learn that truth.

Originally posted by alfa1
I watched the first 10-15 minutes or so, and scanned around the net to find more background story, but the essense is that in 2006 a historian at NASA wrote a document that has a few sentences that disagree with "the official story".
The whole 1 hour video expands on that and builds up a huge conspiracy theory involving secret communications, secret photos, secret radio technicians, secret ground controllers etc...

The disagreement on the story is whether Conrad and Bean popped open the upper hatch to stick their head out and take a look at the lunar surface before going outside (via the front hatch) for the lunar surface EVA... or not.

The saying that comes to mind is that "sometimes, a cigar is just a cigar". You can read all kinds of theories about what else a cigar might be, or make up theories.

Reading between the lines in Oberg's posts left me with the impression he thought the NASA author just slipped up, not in letting a "secret" leak out, but just made a mistake. So substitute the word "mistake" for "cigar" and the saying becomes, "sometimes, a mistake is just a mistake".

As I said in the other thread, I actually sent an e-mail to the NASA author in question requesting clarification about what appears to be a mistake, but I never got any reply.

There are two possibilities as I see it (maybe more):
1. There were only 2 EVAs and the NASA author made a mistake by saying there was a 3rd one where they poked their heads out the top for a look around first. I have a hard time understanding how such a mistake is made, but I suppose it's possible.
2. The NASA author was correct and the astronauts really did pop their heads out the top for a look around, before the other 2 EVAs, but this wasn't in the previous official reports. I have a hard time understanding why anyone would care about keeping this a secret, especially since they openly admitted to doing it on another mission.

So frankly I see issues with either of those two explanations, but if I had to pick one, I'd go with the first one. It's too bad the NASA author didn't just reply and admit that "yeah, I made a mistake" but of course even if I got that reply someone could still claim "coverup and denial" as people like to do regarding NASA.

It's kind of an interesting discrepancy, however at the end of the day, I can't see where it's any big deal either way.

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thanks.. going to eat that video up tomorrow..
s&f keep em comming

the video is great, there was a lot of stuff i never saw before.

Its correct what they say this first S-EVA was a sort of activity which was kept a secret, for a handful of reasons

The apollo missions did not just involve 2 astronauts on the lunar surface, instead it involved a few hundred, if not thousands of people in mission control and mission planning.
The S-EVA took place to give mission control and planning a 360° stereo view from the surroundings of the lander, to make them capable to pick points of interest on the surface and to do some immidiate analysis on the effects of the descent engine to the surface.

The panorama was most likely taken with a TV cam afair the term Stereo-DAC has been used in the manuals, cause photographs wouldn't make sense, the goal was (as stated) show the territory to houston NOW and not after landing.

Since at the time the russians where involved in lunar missions and planning too and there was a challenge, the first pictures with the stirred up dust were classified and not made public at first hand, cause experts in russia would be capable to retrieve valuable information about the engines performance and its effects.

This information would have been essential at the time and enabled just NASA to take the findings into account for planning of the ongoing and future missions.
The same secrecy had been shed about the missions debriefing after landing for the same reasons.

Additionally the panorama been taken would have shown ammounts of dust being blown, which may not have looked too nice for the broad public, so it was not planned to publish the panorama, which should be available on data tape somewhere, if the tapes were not reused later.

so the activity in question was in fact 'secret' if you will so, at the time it took place.
unfortunatly these tapes recording the TV data were put into storage, or eventually reused later, and got lost over the years.
Since it was never planned to be published, the importance of these records in the future has been underestimated and Nasa would be lucky to show them today in the face of all these people ranting about the landings 'took place in a studio'.

so finally

the video is cool since it gave some insight into something which was not so much known, but includes a good portion of misinterpretation for the sake of creating another hype about secrecy on a topic which is basically well understood today .. at least for those who are intersted in digging deep into it.

Originally posted by TMJ1972
the video is great, there was a lot of stuff i never saw before.

Its correct what they say this first S-EVA was a sort of activity which was kept a secret, for a handful of reasons

Why would they keep it secret on one mission but not another mission?

That's the part I don't understand if what you claim is true. NASA freely admits they did this standup EVA on Apollo 15, so that was no secret. Why would they make it public on Apollo 15 but not on Apollo 12?

Just popping in to save it for later OP. I'll S&F if it meets my approval and trust me, I ain't no IMDB!! lol naw I'll reply once I've seen it

Originally posted by Arbitrageur

Originally posted by TMJ1972
the video is great, there was a lot of stuff i never saw before.

Its correct what they say this first S-EVA was a sort of activity which was kept a secret, for a handful of reasons

Why would they keep it secret on one mission but not another mission?

That's the part I don't understand if what you claim is true. NASA freely admits they did this standup EVA on Apollo 15, so that was no secret. Why would they make it public on Apollo 15 but not on Apollo 12?

According to the video, one magazine of photos (approximately 212 photos in total) was completely left out of the public record. Thirty years after Apollo 12, NASA published only 17 of those missing photos. To this day, NASA has not published any of the other 195 photos from that magazine. Although there is no solid proof, that particular magazine could have been shot during that S-EVA and by keeping the S-EVA secret, they could keep the photos secret too.

Is all of this about a missing magazine from Apollo 12? If you did any research of the Apollo camera major glitches followed every mission until most were worked out by the time Apollo 15 took off.

Unfortunately, during the early moments of the first Apollo 12 EVA, which marked the camera's debut on the moon, astronaut Alan Bean inadvertantly pointed the camera at the unfiltered sun while preparing to mount it on the tripod. This action caused an overload in the secondary vidicon tube, rendering the camera useless for the remainder of the mission. It worked reasonably well on Apollo 14, although there were a few problems encountered with the image brightness and contrast.

link

The cameras of Apollo

Apollo 12 fight journal/surface journal, etc...

Is the belief that something was on the moon that is being kept secret?

Well you know if NASA doesn't want to release to the public intellectual property it's kind of tough crap for the public, you know, you may not be inside of that confidentiality and you have no right to be either.

Originally posted by alfa1

Originally posted by wavemaker
That is a pretty long watch. Care to share to us the gist of the video? What exactly did NASA hide from the public during that mission and why?

I watched the first 10-15 minutes or so, and scanned around the net to find more background story, but the essense is that in 2006 a historian at NASA wrote a document that has a few sentences that disagree with "the official story".
The whole 1 hour video expands on that and builds up a huge conspiracy theory involving secret communications, secret photos, secret radio technicians, secret ground controllers etc...

The disagreement on the story is whether Conrad and Bean popped open the upper hatch to stick their head out and take a look at the lunar surface before going outside (via the front hatch) for the lunar surface EVA... or not.

Thats all.

Thank you for saving me an hour of my life I would have demanded to have back. I'm still furious about watching that inane Sibrel film.

I was hoping for something that might lead me to learn something new; but, of course, just more neurotic stuff.

I am dead serious about this: A future DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual) will include a section for Conspiracy Theorists who fixate on moon issues.

Originally posted by Illustronic
Is the belief that something was on the moon that is being kept secret?

Not my belief but apparently that's Luna Cognita's belief. He actually makes a convincing conspiracy case for the covert S-EVA until he gets to 52:40 at which point he claims (from the OP video):

The primary secret the Apollo program was tasked with hiding is without hyperbole the biggest secret of them all:

The fact that evidence of intelligent extraterrestrial life had been discovered on the moon, and was being covertly investigated as a secret part of the supposedly public Apollo missions

He presents all his evidence for his standup EVA claim but then he just goes off the rails and mentions that out of the blue without any evidence, as complete speculation.

Well you know if NASA doesn't want to release to the public intellectual property it's kind of tough crap for the public, you know, you may not be inside of that confidentiality and you have no right to be either.

He mentions 3 cameras, the Hasselblads, the DAC 16mm abd the video camera, and claims the video camera story was probably a lie so they didn't have to show us what they saw. I doubt that. Here is the link to a 360 degree panorama of pictures taken from the surface, near the LM:

www.lpi.usra.edu... There are at least 583 surface images just from the 70mm cameras.

Originally posted by 1questioner
According to the video, one magazine of photos (approximately 212 photos in total) was completely left out of the public record. Thirty years after Apollo 12, NASA published only 17 of those missing photos. To this day, NASA has not published any of the other 195 photos from that magazine.

Sorry, that's not what the video says, I'm afraid you got that mixed up. He didn't have any specific reference to missing images from Apollo 12, the missing images he talked about were from Apollo 15, which now appear here:

Apollo 15, Magazine ??
Images AS15-83-11218 to AS15-83-11234
www.lpi.usra.edu...

They could have stayed missing and I wouldn't have missed them