"I want you never fearing of wrongful incrimination by local police (cult leaders)."

"I want you never fearing of wrongful incrimination by local police (cult leaders)." - Jared Lee Loughner


Skull Shrine in backyard of Loughner home.

You would think such an item, Halloween decoration or not, would garner a tiny bit of interest in light of recent events, not to mention Loughner's wearing of a skull mask in "his" YouTube video, chillingly similar to the skull in his backyard. Not only would it be potential evidence and a treasure trove of information for the FBI profiling department, but any self respecting law officer would look into such a blatant example of potential cult activity at least to confirm or rule out possible accomplices. So soon after the event, he could have been a "militia" member, Neo-Nazi extremist, Muslim terrorist, Ron Paul supporter, drug cartel affiliate, juggalo, or a member of any number of other groups (The CIA?), foreign or domestic, who might target a U.S. Congresswoman and a Federal judge.

On the Autumn Equinox of 2004, Jared was stuck with a sharp object by another teenager while at school. Apparently a boy named Tony Kurz walked up and stuck Jared with a needle protruding from a Bic pen. The police were summoned to the high school and then proceeded to question Tony. In Reaganesque fashion, the boy "did not recall" whether he stuck Jared or not, and seemed to have misplaced the needle. Jared's parents did not wish to press charges, but they did request that Kurz be tested for HIV and other such diseases. This concluded Jared's first documented encounter with the police, whom he later referred to as "cult leaders."

At the final gathering he attended (until 2011), he posed a rather bizarre question to Giffords: "What is government if words have no meaning?" This statement is classic Loughner upon observing any of his game forum posts or YouTube videos, but one might assume that Ms. Giffords was caught quite off guard by the question. Apparently she fumbled for an answer before simply moving on to the next question, which supposedly angered Jared greatly.

What exactly is government if words have no meaning? As you will see, the interaction between Loughner and Giffords is a very important element in this saga, due to a significant piece of information disclosed shortly after the shooting. The question makes little sense, although it made perfect sense in Jared's mind. He had an understanding of the Orwellian connection between language and thought, and questions or statements such as this were very common for him. (Irresponsibly I will add that some have suggested this was a type of code phrase related to mind control) It would seem from Gifford's point of view this guy was some sort of a creep asking insane questions and her security team would need to do an immediate check on him. Whether this happened or not remains in the realm of the unknown. He does not seem to have held any sort of fascination with Giffords, nor does he appear to have been stalking her. When police went to his parents home, they allegedly recovered a letter from Giffords' office thanking Jared for attending an event on August 25, 2007.

Fifteen days later, on September 10th, 2007 (Jared's 19th birthday) Jared caught a drug paraphernalia charge in Tucson proper and was sentenced to a Diversion program which he completed in November of 2007. Loughner and a friend, Bryce Tierney, were driving around smoking marijuana, probably to celebrate Loughner's birthday, when they were pulled over, searched, and found to be in possession of marijuana and drug paraphernalia. Both were ticketed and released. At his court appearance on October 4th, Jared was given a twenty dollar fine and sentenced to a Diversion program which he seems to have completed rather quickly. Exactly what Diversion program he completed is a bit of a mystery. According to Neal Cash, President of the Community Partnership of Southern Arizona - which manages publicly funded behavioral services in Tucson - "There's no record of his receiving publicly funded mental health treatment or anyone contacting the local mental health hot line about him." Cash's files would not include records of Loughner receiving private treatment.

Fishy. Very fishy.

What is up with that "shrine?"

What does he mean by "What is government if words have no meaning?"

I haven't researched this Loughner guy because the official story I heard made him just sound like a nutter, After reading this blog I am definitely interested!

Didn't this guy have an ATS account?

What do you think about all this ATS?

Source

reply to post by weKNOWtheSECRETSoftheFED


This part pissed me off:
"he could have been a "militia" member, Neo-Nazi extremist, Muslim terrorist, Ron Paul supporter, drug cartel affiliate, juggalo, or a member of any number of other groups (The CIA?), foreign or domestic, who might target a U.S. Congresswoman and a Federal judge"

Who the hell would throw Ron Paul in with Muslim extremists or Neo-Nazis or think that his supporters would do such a thing as murder children and defenseless women? Nothing that proceeded in that article held any validity in my opinion after I read that line. Why would you quote from a source that would say such #ed up #?

"What is government if words have no meaning?"

It means "Why bother speaking if you don't mean what you say."

Or, more blatantly, "You're all liars."

reply to post by Q:1984A:1776


Homeland Security would compare Ron Paul to terrorists. That was sarcasm, if you read it here there is an embedded link explaining: gonzosrevenge.blogspot.com...

Well I can say that when people use narcotics they seem to think that they think on a deeper level but I would have to say by this "What is government if words have no meaning?" he ment to show her a error in thought. ie the idea that words and grammer rules are limmitations or a system of control etc..

But if you break down the question it seems he may have been simply asking her to show him what it was in other words asking her to try to bring the gov back into it's defined parameters the problem with this is he would not know if she understood the question unless she answered with something like; ( how I would have answered) yes what is government if the word has lost it's meaning threw people in it over steping their bounds and twisting their own words for votes etc. I would like to bring awareness to this and try to help correct the situation etc... like a polition keep it generic so it can be used to your advantage later. But as you can see most people would not have any idea on how to answer that question.

But upon review of the news about what happened he may have just been disturbed.
I think the question it self is an infection much like where did we come from and what came before that etc...

reply to post by Unrealised


Wow your good. After reading your post I am sure thats what he ment.

Originally posted by Q:1984A:1776
reply to post by weKNOWtheSECRETSoftheFED

 

This part pissed me off:
"he could have been a "militia" member, Neo-Nazi extremist, Muslim terrorist, Ron Paul supporter, drug cartel affiliate, juggalo, or a member of any number of other groups (The CIA?), foreign or domestic, who might target a U.S. Congresswoman and a Federal judge"

Who the hell would throw Ron Paul in with Muslim extremists or Neo-Nazis or think that his supporters would do such a thing as murder children and defenseless women? Nothing that proceeded in that article held any validity in my opinion after I read that line. Why would you quote from a source that would say such #ed up #?

Ron Paul Supporters and Juggalo's? WOW. Thanks for saying what I was thinking. I read the whole thing, but wow did that stand out in my mind.

My nextdoor neihgbour is a policeman.

He is unfriendly and ignorant.

Just my input.l

Well, new member OP ... you asked

Didn't this guy have an ATS account?

as though ...

Anyway, no, as far as we know he didn't.

And Ron Paul is Pro-Life so why would he be considered with the common bottom-feeders? He's honest and doesn't lie to get a seat in Congress. He was an Doctor who delivered babies.

What does he mean by "What is government if words have no meaning?"

Broken campaign promises are probably what upset that crazy who attacked the Congresswoman. That's my quess.
The news said it was because the good Congresswoman didn't answer his question in a previous meeting.

What do you think about all this ATS?

We can only speak for ourselves. Personally, I think it's an outrage that this crazy monster lumped Ron Paul in the scum-bag group.

And, if YOU are a Fed wanting to know if that crazy was a member of ATS, take it up with the owners. As far as I know, he never was on ATS.

reply to post by Trexter Ziam


Well that is untrue.

A simple search of your sites own "search engine" shows that he was member Erad3


And you all missed the authors sarcasm......

right over your head.

Is "deny ignorance" an inside joke around here?

Originally posted by thejlxc

Originally posted by Q:1984A:1776
reply to post by weKNOWtheSECRETSoftheFED

 

This part pissed me off:
"he could have been a "militia" member, Neo-Nazi extremist, Muslim terrorist, Ron Paul supporter, drug cartel affiliate, juggalo, or a member of any number of other groups (The CIA?), foreign or domestic, who might target a U.S. Congresswoman and a Federal judge"

Who the hell would throw Ron Paul in with Muslim extremists or Neo-Nazis or think that his supporters would do such a thing as murder children and defenseless women? Nothing that proceeded in that article held any validity in my opinion after I read that line. Why would you quote from a source that would say such #ed up #?

Ron Paul Supporters and Juggalo's? WOW. Thanks for saying what I was thinking. I read the whole thing, but wow did that stand out in my mind.

edit on 8-11-2011 by thejlxc because: (no reason given)

HOMELAND SECURITY SAID THAT!!!! I wrote this. This is SARCASM!!!!!! I AM A RON PAUL SUPPORTER