Russia: Israeli threat of strikes on Iran 'a mistake'

reply to post by Logical one


They wont just fire a few missiles and drop some bombs. If you dont want to call it an invasion fair enough but at the end of the day it will be unnecessary aggression and killing.

I just see it going the way same way as Iraq, i'm not stating facts here just an opinion. The aggressors won't just launch a few missiles if your going to do something why do something half hartedly and leave your enemy in a postion to strike back.

reply to post by SeekerofTruth101

ACtually, you got it wrong.

Even a small chance that Iran has the bomb means we must act.

There was a pentagon paper recently released about climate change and in one section they mentioned this. You cannot wait until there's certainty before acting.

One false move and the entire middle east could be a nuclear holocaust.

Remember... Beyond a reasonable doubt.

I think that there's a very good chance Iran has the bomb. Therefore, we should strike their facilities. Sanctions will not deter Iran and they're no good if Iran already has the bomb.

I think a strike on Iran's enrichment facilities is a certainty. It will happen. And soon.

Originally posted by e11888
This is unacceptable. The American people do not want war. When the time comes congress needs to grow a backbone and say no. There is no bribe, payoff or perk worth a 3rd world war. I dont care how corrupt they are.

Israel is tired of constantly being threatened with destruction as Ahmajinedad has been spouting in his "death to Israel" and "death to america" campaigns. The man is clearly trying to insight a war with his words and if they really are trying to build nuclear weapons it's bad joo joo. The only reason Israel has nukes is if it is threatened with ultimate destruction they will enact their Samson Initiative, that would be the only time they'd use them. Iran however, has a tendancy to support terrorist and extremist activities and that may include giving them enriched plutonium or uranium for dirty bombs.

I guess were going to find out real soon who has what cards up their sleeves. Hopefully this will come to nothing or if Israel does invade the iranians are smart enough to at least get the WOMD out of the country. You know with N. Korea giving them "aid" they probably do have nukes.

War Is A Racket

This entire IRAN rhetoric by the US is complete BS.

What is funny is how the American public buy it ....Hook Line and Sinker !


Iran doesn't pose any threat to Israel and if they were to launch an attack they know that the US would be more than obliged to Incinerate them.

This is all about the Rothschilds and Rockefellers wanting that last portion of Oil underneath Afghanistan Iraq and Iran.

And as to why we are on Iran's borders....

The US is Flat Broke and needs a war to stay afloat....as Hitler did with Germany and exactly why they invaded Poland and Russia leading to WWII.

Russia and China would come to Iran's aid and we would be stuck in another quagmire similar to the last time we fought another Chinese backed opponent by the name of Vietnam.

But the US IS Broke so it all boils down to enacting desperate means for desperate measures....

The Rich who have the most to benefit from gaining control of Iran's Oil don't really care because it isn't their Children that will be sacrificed if we begin fighting another war ... as usual.


But primarily those Children of the poor...

War is a Racket.


Peace.

well at least obama is making the israeli's fight their own wars now. and obama "failing" to renew the defence pact
with iraq clears the way for the u.n. to lift the no fly zone over iraq.

they can't go thru turkey, because israel is killing their citizens in international waters, they can't go thru saudi arabia because there would be a massive revolt against the king if he allows israeli's to fly over the country to kill muslims so that leaves the puppet regime of iraq to let them thru.

israeli pilots would never make it back taking other routes and it would be easy to predict bombing runs.

Originally posted by TheBar


They wont just fire a few missiles and drop some bombs. If you dont want to call it an invasion fair enough but at the end of the day it will be unnecessary aggression and killing.

I just see it going the way same way as Iraq, i'm not stating facts here just an opinion. The aggressors won't just launch a few missiles if your going to do something why do something half hartedly and leave your enemy in a postion to strike back.

Because the aim here is to take out their nuclear facilities..........not regime change.........they learnt THAT lesson from Iraq...........

Remember Iraq was weakened by the first gulf war and the 8 year war with Iran before that.........so the Bush administration thought that Iraq would be a walk over.......and they were right as far as the main military conflict was concerned.........what they didn't counter on was the insurgents, the Mahdi army and the al queda terrorists.
So if a weaken Iraq was so difficult for the US.......then they don't want to start another "Iraq"

Obama is definitely shying away from any regime changing conflicts......so if the US do strike.....its much more likely to be surgical air strikes ..........not to bomb the rest of the country.

reply to post by SeekerofTruth101


I like the way you think, if everyone could think like that in a war it would have no casualties. However you forget to add in emotion to your theory, which includes revenge, hatred and more.

Some people want to kill, some people want violence, most of them join the military. It's easy to say your being patriotic instead of just admitting you committed murder. Sure, it is always in self defence for either soldier, but let's be realistic...

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000 The only reason Israel has nukes is if it is threatened with ultimate destruction they will enact their Samson Initiative, that would be the only time they'd use them. Iran however, has a tendancy to support terrorist and extremist activities and that may include giving them enriched plutonium or uranium for dirty bombs.

The point is though..........why is Israel not put under the same scrutiny as Iran with regards to nuclear weapons.
You could argue that given the constant state of paranoia Israel displays.......its more likely that Israel will deploy the next nuclear weapon rather than Iran.
Whilst you cannot ignore Iran's "terrorists" activities against the West, you also cannot ignore some of the rather "extreme" measures Israel takes.......like bombing the hell out of Gaza and Lebanon inflicting massive loss of life mainly to innocent non combatant civilians. Or the storming of the Gaza flotilla.
Israel don't even seem to respect the UN ........and think nothing of killing UN Peace Keepers.
So is Iran Really any more dangerous than a paranoid nuclear armed Israel, that have no qualms about taking "extreme" measures.

reply to post by minkey53


whats wrong with Iran having nukes?

reply to post by nh_ee


I agree. Especially after reading this:

Lend-Lease Act

So after you reads the link you should see that U.K. is no longer indebted to the U.S.A. in a big way, not just the U.K. but other countries were indebted to them as well. There has been no World War to grant such an Act unless Terrorists Attack, followed by danger in Iran regarding Nukes which sounds similar to the drum beating for Iraq years ago.

This would force American War supply demand to continue to be required.

What's interesting is, America spends billions on their military. How much do they sell of that? The military industrial complex is not stupid folks, they turn profits everydays while the banks, the people are all suffering in these ruses they have created.

Ever notice, it's disaster after disaster? Then times of peace for many years, rinse and freakin repeat? Be afraid of genocidal maniacs, followed by, we have been liberated or are liberators?

It's a game. Plain and simple.

Now while I agree there are some tyrants, some ideals, some policies that threaten people directly and should be confronted immediately, they usually aren't.
Bad things we know are happening that hurt people like poverty, hunger, being victims of governments seeking genocide of a culture, the rape and degredation of women as a policy of government, etc... governments mostly fail to act against those simple problems.
These types of acts I've just described are usually done by weak governments that could be toppled in a week, yet for some reason it goes on.

War is business and business is good I guess.

reply to post by Corruption Exposed

I don't have the time to pull up the text right now so I might be completely wrong here. I'm pretty sure if it was declared that Iran is able to make weapon grade plutonium. Russia would be legally obligated to support the removal of that ability.

I'll re-read the NPT and see what I can find.

reply to post by e11888


Iran has double-digit SAM systems... Those things make make it hard for even the F-22 Raptor to invade unnoticed and unharmed. You think an aging bird like an Israeli F-15 would stand a snowballs chance in hell against that kind of anti-air? Israel can NOT disable Irans command and control capabilities with their current air-power which is needed before they "safely" penetrate Irans air-space and/or deploy ground troops.
If Israel attacks Iran alone, using conventional weapons, it will lose and face huge proxy-wars on a different level than before.
If Israel attacks Iran alone using nuclear weapons, the response from the rest of the world will effectively end its existence.
If Israel attacks Iran with the support of, lets say the USA, other countries like China and Russia will feel threatened and their response will be very unpredictable.
If Israel just chills the f*ck out and stops being an attention-wh*ring bully, then maybe, JUST MAYBE we'll have a chance at peace.

The mistake that some make is they think Iran's military capabilities are on the same level of that of Iraq and Afghanistan when they were invaded. Trust me, there's a reason why TPTB haven't been able to get rid of Iran yet. They are no pushovers.


IT--

When Israel signs up to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty she gets to comment on Iran's nuclear program. Not a second before. Damn hypocrites.

Russia said the same thing before Gulf War I, Gulf War II, Afghanistan, etc. Thats all they do is warn, warn, warn but in the end they STFU.

Originally posted by Logical one

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000 The only reason Israel has nukes is if it is threatened with ultimate destruction they will enact their Samson Initiative, that would be the only time they'd use them. Iran however, has a tendancy to support terrorist and extremist activities and that may include giving them enriched plutonium or uranium for dirty bombs.

The point is though..........why is Israel not put under the same scrutiny as Iran with regards to nuclear weapons.
You could argue that given the constant state of paranoia Israel displays.......its more likely that Israel will deploy the next nuclear weapon rather than Iran.
Whilst you cannot ignore Iran's "terrorists" activities against the West, you also cannot ignore some of the rather "extreme" measures Israel takes.......like bombing the hell out of Gaza and Lebanon inflicting massive loss of life mainly to innocent non combatant civilians. Or the storming of the Gaza flotilla.
Israel don't even seem to respect the UN ........and think nothing of killing UN Peace Keepers.
So is Iran Really any more dangerous than a paranoid nuclear armed Israel, that have no qualms about taking "extreme" measures.

edit on 7-11-2011 by Logical one because: (no reason given)

For the same reason that the U.S., Russia, China and the UK aren't put under scrutiny, none of us are crazy enough, or stupid enough to unleash them. making regions of the planet uninhabitable for 10,000 years is only something a fool would wish to explore.

reply to post by minkey53

Originally posted by minkey53
At the end of the day, if Russia or anybody else stands up for Iran, that means they are OK with Iran having Nukes!

After all, that's what they are developing and that is why we are told they must be stopped, by Military Force if necessary.

So these Countries that are helping / support Iran must also be OK with them supplying a lot of Terrorists with weapons too then. You know, Hamas in Gaza and Lebanon. That's where all these rockets are coming from, the one's that kill people in Israel.

So just what the hell are Russia and China thinking?

Or do they only care about the Sales of such weapons to Iran, money and greed?

Yet another post that parrots a one-sided point of view. Every aspect of your reply oozes pro-Israeli/US propaganda. Where is your concern for the people on the other side of this conflict? Why do you seem to care only for the people killed in Israel? What about the people killed by them? Are they somehow sub-human because of their affiliation? Your post is a perfect example of selfishness. Your only concern is with the Israeli's and you seem to have no concern whatsoever for humans on the other side of this conflict. Points of view like these are exactly why we have conflict and war.

This situation needs to be mediated. Compromises must be made on all sides yet I have a nagging belief that the Israeli leaders would absolutely refuse to do so without even hearing out an offer. I would bet that Iran would also refuse mediation but, I can pretty much guarantee that the terms offered to them would be biased and not have the best of interests of Iran at heart.

It is beyond hypocritical of Israel to oppose Iranian ownership of a nuclear weapon while at the same time denying the right of other nations to inspect their own. Israel is concerned only with Israel and they would watch the rest of the world burn if given the chance. The very fact that the nation is so young yet has caused so many problems for others should speak to their superiority complex.

In the event of an attack on Iran I hope that Russia backs them the same way they backed Serbia and France in the past. I - and many others - don't want to see that happen but if it does there needs to be someone to oppose the invaders on Iran.

When Iran is attacked, that will be the beginning of Armageddon. I know you non christians here think this is all BS, but all of this has been fortold many many years ago in the book of Revelations. We are now living in this time.

i seriously hope level heads will prevail,i am american to the bone,but if the moron politicians push this to confict they will get their free ride to the bottomless pit.