The Thread For a Working Plan To Fix The World

reply to post by Gseven


I like the online higher education thing. Universities are already going in that direction, but it involves servers and an IT infrastructure. There is a cost associated with it. Also, I think some things need to be given special attention. For me algebra was tough, and there needs to be a two way educational program to allow for questions and working through problems. Also, to me certain technical and healthcare related things need hands on, such as learning to give IV's and taking blood, surgical procedures, etc.

Well I think we should replace war with paintball tournaments. Also lets get space colonization up and running. I think the whole problem is we are all tried of earth, its time for a change.

I would say the biggest problem with "fixing the world" is the debt based monetary system. What are the problems with it?

1. Well, it's debt based and it includes interest on top of the prinicpal which it doesn't create, see a problem?
2. Because of the former the economy must make great strides to create greater and greater (exponential) increases in economic efficiency. The problem with that is of course the economy isn't always good at creating greater economic effeciency.
3. Because of the monetary system's exponential expansion of debt it ends up absorbing all the increased efficiency and therefore we individually don't get the fruits of our own labor.
4. This monetary system can only expand and contract, it's impossible for it to remain stable in any real situation. This creates the problem of the boom and bust business cycle which now typically involves huge malinvestment.

So lets see: doesn't create the interest it charges... needs an exponentially expanding economy to keep going... it absorbs any increase in economic efficiency... prevents the standard of living from monetarily rising... its inherently unstable... causes huge malinvestment... I think that covers it

Lets think of something to replace it...

Goals:
1. Must be balanced as close as possible if not controlled by trade itself.
2. Inflation must be created through trade itself.
3. Deflation should be controlled by a time over inflation ratio (as always).
4. Needs a way of creating new credit in the system completely without debt.
5. The system needs to be as non-centralized as possible to prevent it's corruption.

Possible solution:
Since inflation needs to be balanced and controlled by trade itself lets just have each individual transaction create the inflation? So instead of handing someone a credit, the credit in their account simply inflates by the price amount, revolutionary idea I know! Deflation would of course equal out inflation to prevent the system from being unbalanced as well as prevent the currency from devaluing itself. Perhaps the source of new credit should be a minmum each individual creditor ("bank") sets for it's users. The minimum means the credit in the account cannot go below this threshold otherwise deflation would be higher than inflation, therfore creating a problem. In order for the minimum to mean anything it needs to be able to purchase stuff in order to create new credit through inflation. However, you probably don't want that to entail too much or you will create too much inflation but it needs to be something everything will buy so that enough original credit is created. How about this, the minimum will allow one to purchase what the individual creditor deems to be the "necessities of life". This should create a continuous system for creating credit through inflation, but only enough for things to keep going.

When you think about it this creates the weird effect of allowing everyone the basic necessities whilst still allowing those whom created those necessities to profit and therefore afford luxury. So if you don't want to work you just get the basic necessities that someone else provides at a profit at no cost to you. All this in turn creates a balanced economy in that creditors will not want to destroy their currency by extending their minimums to luxury and on the other side of the coin they don't want their deflation rate too high so as to prevent their producers from feeling pinched.

I really don't see how you could do better than this monetary system. I think this is fundementally the perfect monetary design really.

So lets see: ...inflation through trade itself... minimum gets the ball rolling by paying for necessities...deflation set by individual creditors to keep their currency balanced... those whom actually produce something of value get their accounts inflated by would be consumers... profit motive stays intact... motives for efficiency stay intact... you don't have to pay to live on the planet you were born on... I think that's good enough no?

So now only time can take away from you and it can't take away your ability to survive... not bad...

So I guess that's my idea.

You'd need to profoundly change human nature to fix things and have them stay that way. Our entire history so far is a testament to our tendencies towards greed and violence. How can you fix the world while those things are still true?

So how do you change human nature?


A disclosure type event? The second coming of Christ? Or some other spiritual event? Maybe some kind of a pacification pill to keep us all.. more docile.. and less ambitious?


I don't know the answer.. or even if there is one. I hope there is.


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Okay, taking this a bit further: No countries. Designations are by climate only. If you want to live in a desert region, you *can*! You're a member of planet Earth! And if you're not, just behave a bit and make some friends. Why do we have to have countries? Can someone explain it because I don't get it. When that freedom is working properly, languages will morph to follow. I was born in a desert region (New Mexico) and grew up along the southern coasts of the US. But for the past 25 years I've been in a rather arctic region (Finland) and I can see beauty in both. Just because you're born in one place doesn't mean you necessarily want to stay there, nor should you think it's somehow yours by divine right. There were others before you. There will be others after you.

Look, the key to this is to always think that if someone wanted you to do something that you were vehemently opposed to, would you like the freedom to abstain from participation in that thing or would you like to have to be subject to all things just as equally as you would require someone else to do when it were your explicit wish. If you can live and let live, there will be less hassle for everyone. We can all make our own mistakes and suffer for it or *better yet* we can help out those who have made mistakes and are suffering for it, just as we might like to have happen to us.

There's that Golden Rule again. Our grandparents were right about that.

And now we're on money, eh? No money. Forget it. All work is done because we have so many people to do it. No need for greed because when everyone has enough of everything at all times, there's no need for shortages. All work is worth the same thing anyway. Live and let live.

Just forget money. It's bad business. Humans shouldn't use that concept. Think with a generous heart and a giving soul. Forget greed and status. They are unnecessary evils - good things to ban! If you have to have at least one law, that would be a good place to start.

I propose everyone is put to work to build robots. Now everyone will get 1 robot, they are all the same, it's not like certain individuals would get more powerful robots or anything. Then everyone learns how to program their robot to do their work for them or an AI would be created which basically records and mimics it's owner as he is working. The robots are rented to the owner of a company where they are put to work. The owner gets all the money but has to pay the rent on the robots. Those who have exceptional skill in programming will program the most complicated robots while those who have less knowledge will program the robots who will do the more simple chores. Each generation the programming for a robot will be passed on and made better until the day robots will do all the work while we can just relax and enjoy life.

Capitalism and greed are wholly dependent upon having a finite energy resource. Since the beginning of civilization, economics and power structures focused around "energy". Whether it was energy utilized from beasts of burden, energy from the wind to grind the wheat, energy from fire, energy from coal, oil, etc. Because of this monopolization on energy, the power elite of the world are able to keep you under their feet.

One day, an unlimited power source will come forth in spite of all efforts by people in power to suppress it. Be it an ultra-efficient method for collecting solar or perhaps the new LENR tech that they are fooling with in Italy. If we achieved an energy source that could not be hoarded or controlled, the world would heal.

It would end:
Capitalism - with unlimited energy comes a completely different economic structure
Clean water shortages - with unlimited energy, desalination plants would be built anywhere they are needed.
World hunger - indoor hydro farms could be built and maintained in even the least habitable deserts of Africa.
War - I don't think the world is fooling anybody and we all know why we are actually in conflicts

Every time you see somebody in the energy market, profiting off of oil, realize they are preventing the world from healing and are at the root of all of society's evils.

Originally posted by Dragonfly79
I propose everyone is put to work to build robots. Now everyone will get 1 robot, they are all the same, it's not like certain individuals would get more powerful robots or anything. Then everyone learns how to program their robot to do their work for them or an AI would be created which basically records and mimics it's owner as he is working. The robots are rented to the owner of a company where they are put to work. The owner gets all the money but has to pay the rent on the robots. Those who have exceptional skill in programming will program the most complicated robots while those who have less knowledge will program the robots who will do the more simple chores. Each generation the programming for a robot will be passed on and made better until the day robots will do all the work while we can just relax and enjoy life.

Sounds like you just have housework overload

reply to post by Cuervo


The evil ones will have to be cleared out before an invention of unlimited energy is introduced to the public, or the evil ones will just control it like they control everything else. This is the problem whenever new inventions are introduced. Someone always has to misuse it in some way. Mankind is so errant in his evolution.

Make it law that ALL new buildings ei: homes/condos/apartments/businesses must be 110% solar or wind power operated!

This would then force energy efficiency and free power! free power means everything will eventually be free. or at least life would be free. no more heating bills, no more power bills, free power to grow food indoors.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by Cuervo

 

The evil ones will have to be cleared out before an invention of unlimited energy is introduced to the public, or the evil ones will just control it like they control everything else. This is the problem whenever new inventions are introduced. Someone always has to misuse it in some way. Mankind is so errant in his evolution.

If the new tech isn't controllable, we won't have to wait. This is why it's being so aggressively suppressed right now; they know that if we attain that power as a species, they won't have that power to enslave the rest of they world.

We live in a world where shade-tree mechanics are making quantum-locking devices and throwing it up on Youtube. You won't be able to suppress a new tech that frees humanity when it gets discovered. It will be impossible. They are just milking the time they have left and we are just waiting for them to die.

reply to post by Gseven


I'd like to split some very important hairs with the OP that I think may be food for thought, but first I'd like to thank them for this post. Anyway, I think the idea that we need corporations is a misnomer. What we need is commerce, the exchange of goods services and currency. That's the job creating force, the true total of the economy, really. Corporations are a type of business model that allows for very limited liability. I only bring this up because I feel it's important to seperate the idea of economy from the idea of accountability( or lack thereof).

How about instead of coming up with an umbrella, "one size fits all" plan, we allow individual communities do what they think is best for them. Even if - scratch that- ESPECIALLY if we disagree with them.
"Working plans to fix the world" have only ever created tyranny.
Leave me out of it. The planning, the execution, the deaths, the destruction of liberty, the emergence of a new(although probably the same) elite class. Stay away from my home with that nonsense. We don't need to be "fixed."

Originally posted by Mcupobob
Well I think we should replace war with paintball tournaments. Also lets get space colonization up and running. I think the whole problem is we are all tried of earth, its time for a change.

Mcupobob 2012.

Seriously, though, Mcupobob 2012.

/TOA

You guys aren't creating a working plan to fix the world. You're just putting bandages on the stuff you perceive as the stuff that's broken. It goes a lot deeper than that. You have to change everything, not just some of it. The whole system is broken and putrid. You cannot resurrect this corpse. Cremate it. Let's move on now.

The working plan needs to be clean and clear and succinct, full of potential and live and joy. The details will work themselves out.

I have an idea... Destroy all technology. lets go back to living in the bush like aborigines...

Originally posted by CosmicEgg
And now we're on money, eh? No money. Forget it. All work is done because we have so many people to do it. No need for greed because when everyone has enough of everything at all times, there's no need for shortages. All work is worth the same thing anyway. Live and let live.

Just forget money. It's bad business. Humans shouldn't use that concept. Think with a generous heart and a giving soul. Forget greed and status. They are unnecessary evils - good things to ban! If you have to have at least one law, that would be a good place to start.

It's funny you mention this, because I've thought a lot about it. I too, think that "no money" would be an ideal situation. But then we'd go back to a bartering/trade system for goods. Then what happens when someone wants to trade for something of lesser value? Herein lies the problem with trading goods, which is why money came in handy. It solved that problem and kept things fair for a while. While it would be cool to go back to a village mentality of where each family provides a service or goods to that entire village, but we're a LONG ways off from that. The sad thing is that most people are trained in professions that wouldn't do them a stinkin' bit of good if everything were to come crashing down and we were thrust back into the pilgrim days of trying to survive.

Originally posted by hudsonhawk69
I have an idea... Destroy all technology. lets go back to living in the bush like aborigines...

Honestly, I'd have to agree with this one. Would I miss it? Yeah, for a while, but I know deep down inside that it is doing nothing but further separating us, and making us dumb.

Originally posted by CosmicEgg
You guys aren't creating a working plan to fix the world. You're just putting bandages on the stuff you perceive as the stuff that's broken. It goes a lot deeper than that. You have to change everything, not just some of it. The whole system is broken and putrid. You cannot resurrect this corpse. Cremate it. Let's move on now.

The working plan needs to be clean and clear and succinct, full of potential and live and joy. The details will work themselves out.

Perhaps, but there's always something we can do NOW to get the momentum going. I think, really, that's what I'm hoping to accomplish by this thread. It just might be a hopeless situation, but if we can pull hope out of thin air by doing little things on our own, then that's better than nothing. It just needs momentum going in the right direction...a few leaps of faith....that's all.