Proof, Gaddafi is the tyrant we've been told he is!

These rebels were/are nothing but animals. We have reports of women being raped across Libya, children being killed, people being mutilated. A clear example of the mentality of these people can be seen when they murdered Gaddafi. They sodomized him with a knife!

You don't know about this?

Ah yes of course, that's because the media hasn't told you what really happened. So here it is (sorry about the GRAPHIC video and images, I just don't want anyone to think I am making this up. WARNING! Disturbing video and images, do not watch if it may upset you, you have been warned!):

www.informationclearinghouse.info...

These are the people we are supporting!

The new Libya has a great future.

But for some reason I can't help feeling that Gaddafi was better:

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You can call me nostalgic I guess ;-)

Ayman al-Zawahiri, the new 'al-Qaeda' leader released a video asking the new Libya to adopt a strict Sharia law.

www.telegraph.co.uk...

And now guess what?

www.firstpost.com...

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Even though this was against the will of the people:

www.ft.com...

While this could be a way to appease rebel fighters, women activists are not on board with the new legislation. One activist says...

“Women were arrested, raped, victimised and abused in this war in every sense. They started this revolution. And suddenly they were now limited to wives, mothers and sisters. We thought it was a huge joke.”

And the rapes have already started:

www.torontosun.com...

Peter Worthington, co-founder of the Toronto Sun, speaks out in the Huffington Post, calling Sharia Law a ‘new tyranny.’

“True democracy and Sharia law are irreconcilable, despite Jalil's assurances that Libya will be a "moderate" Islamic country.” (source: www.huffingtonpost.ca...)

Fox News Political Analyst Kirsten Powers says the U.S. should have seen this coming.

“There were conservatives and liberals along with the administration who were all getting caught up in what was going on and not really asking the questions of who’s going to take over.”

This is a short-sighted comment however because we already knew what type of people these 'rebels' actually are:

www.telegraph.co.uk...

articles.cnn.com... =PM%3AWORLD

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Should we really be surprised?

www.worldcrunch.com...

but at least we can have comedy:

patdollard.com... h-terror-group/

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People are entitled to believe what they wish. Regardless of how you feel about the topic you must surely agree that it is the role of media to report the WHOLE story! That means both sides. It then should be up to you to decide who is right and who is wrong. I remember watching a BBC report from the outskirts of Sirte (before Gaddafis murder) and the BBC reporter saying "Gaddafi really is the devil, he is absolute evil!" How is this balanced media? How is this appeal to some religious concept of 'devil' and 'evil' even relevant to the story? It is nothing more than propaganda. It is indeed a sad state of affairs that the only people questioning this crap are on the internet (with the exception of a very small minority of newspapers which I must give credit to). It is the role of media to present information, balanced information. Where is it?

Someone said to me; 'but you do know Gaddafi was a terrorist right? He supported and funded the I.R.A., he supported Idi Amin and all these other terrorists." Hmmmm ok, let's see what the man himself had to say about these charges. From an interview with FT magazine (you have to pay to read the article so I will copy and paste the best parts here).

Muammar al-Gaddafi - Lunch with the FT

Colonel Muammer Gaddafi was rumoured to be fleeing south across the Sahara in a heavily armed convoy when the man whose job it is to guard him emailed me with a date for lunch. I met Colonel Gaddafi at a restaurant which must remain nameless. Muammar looked different from the person who appears in his early photographs; somehow he reminded me of a scary looking Michael Jackson or Anders Breivik...

Was he brainwashed by the British, I asked. He took a mouthful of water and started talking about his bloodless seizure of power in 1969. "The Americans wanted the British puppet King Idris to be toppled," he explained. He said that, like Nasser, he was at first an asset of the CIA, and then an enemy of the CIA...

"The accusation is that your friends became rich while the people in the eastern parts of Libya were neglected." I said.

"I moved Berbers out of their mud-brick towns into modern apartments, with electricity, running water and satellite TV." He smiled.

"Some people blame me for being a socialist," he said.

"Libya now has the best educated people in Africa and the highest GDP per capita in Africa," he continued.

"We had 10 percent growth of GDP in 2010, the highest of any state in Africa."

"In the first 15 years of Green rule, the number of doctors increased sevenfold."

"Infant mortality is the lowest in Africa."

"Our Great Manmade River scheme is the 'Eighth Wonder of the World'"...

I mentioned the fall of Saddam Hussein in 2003. "After the fall of Saddam", said Muammar, "I got rid of certain weapons. Even before the Iraq War, I wanted good relations with the West. I had to get the sanctions removed."

"I was tough with the oil companies.

"The Shah of Iran copied me. The Shah, of course, was toppled by the CIA."

I pointed out that Libya had been friends with Idi Amin. "Saddam, the Shah, and Idi Amin were all put into power by the West," explained Muammar. "But when they displeased the West, they suddenly were painted by the Western media as being monsters."...

I related that Libya had reportedly trained and supported Charles Taylor of Liberia. "Charles Taylor was put into power by the CIA," said Muammar.

I asked about Slobodan Milosevic. Muammar pointed out that Milosevic was up against the CIA's al Qaeda. I asked about Libya's alleged support for the Moro Islamic Liberation Front in the Philippines.

"They are financed by the CIA," said Muammar.

I asked Muammar about his support for the Red Army Faction, the Red Brigades, and the Irish Republican Army (IRA). "These organisations were all controlled by the CIA and MI6," said Muammar. "Many of the top people in the IRA are agents of the British security services. And it should not be forgotten that it was the CIA who supplied weapons to the IRA."...

Was Muammar the planner of the Lockerbie Bombing? Muammar said that the CIA brought down PanAm 103 to destroy Major Charles McKee and the evidence he and his team had collected of CIA drug smuggling."

"Originally I too was working for the CIA."

"I was protected. When the SAS wanted to kill me in 1969, the CIA vetoed the plan. "In 1981, when Giscard d'Estaing plotted to kill me, the CIA vetoed the plan."

link: www.ft.com...

After first hearing of Gaddafi's murder, British Pime Minister David Cameron said in many words what the Sun newspaper encapsulated in its headline: 'That's for Lockerbie', refering of course to the Pan Am Flight 103 bombing over Lockerbie on 21 December 1988 which killed 270 people. Funny man! Funny newspaper! So, in the spirit of good comedy, its time for more laughs:

www.whale.to...

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www.whale.to...

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english.ohmynews.com...

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lockerbiecase.blogspot.com...

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www.guardian.co.uk...

hehehehehehehehe

www.firmmagazine.com...

hehehehehe

www.guardian.co.uk...

hahahahaha

www.scotsman.com...

hehehehehehe

www.firmmagazine.com...

hahahahahaha

www.scotsman.com...

hehehehehe

www.holyrood.com...

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www.theinsider.org...

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blogs.telegraph.co.uk...

I have to stop now because my stomach hurts from all the laughter.

The wonderful new Libya...a human rights investigation...

humanrightsinvestigations.org...

The birthplace of the lLibyan revolution was the courthouse in Benghazi. Take a careful look at this photo. Do you see the flag that now flies at the top? Take a careful look:

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Its this flag:

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The official flag of al-Qaeda.

Are you getting the picture yet? Let me help you:

www.atimes.com...

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New York Times shows picture of 'rebels' flying several Al-Qaeda flags and doesn't mention it:

www.nytimes.com...

There are al-Qaeda flags flying all over the place:

www.memritv.org...

Wonderful future for Libya.

Please guys! Rise above the media fed propaganda and do your own research.

thanks sapatos for exposing the lies of our media.Any apologist for rebels on ATS should know that by condoning the al qaeda rebels they are promoting sharia law and horrendous woman's right's abuses and rapes of women.

Ghaddafi gave women freedom,NATO helped Al Qaeda rape and kill women and impose sharia law on them.

reply to post by CaptChaos


What a stupid response - no leader gets such high approval ratings unless the polls are rigged. I've worked in Libya and i can tell you 100% the majority of people didn't love him at all. Go and find out for yourself though - don't take my word or the word of other people on here. Individual experiences will give you the best insight

Originally posted by CaptChaos
Ghaddafi had like ninety five percent approval rating from Libyans. Hmmm. More than DOUBLE that of our own president.

Oh, the "rebels" said all the people hated him. And those "rebels" appear to be mostly foreign mercenaries.

isn't this the truth that most anti-libya/anti-gadhaffi creepers try and ignore?

yes...yes it is...

Libya was an exceptionally thriving society in Africa until NATO showed up and ruined the country and it's upcoming...

]WAY better literacy rate, free healthcare (yes, not as good as US's no doubt, BUT FREE) and great education compared to others in Africa...such a sad state of affairs to actually think people believe this crap...

Originally posted by JunoTheGreat
reply to post by tooo many pills

 

Your still missing the point DUDE! haha

A generation from now, this is what he will be remembered for:
• Expelling all ethnic Italians in 1970.
• Expelling Libya's Jewish population.
• Banning all opposition to his rule.
• Making engaging in political conversations with foreigners punishable by up to three years in prison.
• Making it a capital crime to form political parties.
• Executing political dissidents in public and then rebroadcasting said executions on state television channels.
• Criminalizing homosexuality, with the punishment for homosexuality being up to five years in prison.
• Forcibly Arabizing the Berbers by forbidding parents to give their children Berber names, banning the use of the Berber language in schools, and assigning Arabic names to Berber towns.
• Making theft punishable by amputation of hands and adultery by 100 lashes.
• Making the testimony of women and non-Muslims inadmissible in criminal cases.
• Torturing prisoners, both before and during the current civil war.
• Sending out assassins to kill Libyans who had fled to other countries just to live free.
• Supporting terrorist groups, including groups not even related to Libyan affairs.
• Having his forces fire upon peaceful demonstrators back in February of this year. This is what led to the uprising in the Libyan people in the first place.

Excuse me but where is your evidence for these claims?

Gaddafi did not even have the powers to override decisions of the general congress. For example, many years ago, Gaddafi advocated abolishing the death penalty in Libya. He proposed the motion to the General Congress and it was unanimously rejected.

On 16th of February 2009, Gaddafi addressed the Libyan government, criticising them for corruption and demanding more direct redistribution of wealth. He proposed that the government be dismanted entirely and that all oil wealth be distributed evenly among the people. That motion was rejected by the members of the General Congress.

You are attributing power to him that he simply did not possess.

Libya was run by over 460 people's committees. There was no central government in Libya; rather,each resident of the country was a member of a local popular assembly. As Geoff Simons writes in his wonderful book 'Libya: the struggle for survival':

"The aim has been to sustain the sovereignty of individual Libyan citizens through the creation of popular assemblies(mutamarat) and committees(lijan; in such a system that the committee is pervasive at every political level and in every social sector.Every resident belongs to a sovereign popular assembly at the district level; members meet for an annual week of evening sessions to receive reports on local matters and to agree an agenda of important issues(such issues can range widely; from the relation between law and Islam to foreign aid, from policies on expatriates to economic development). The chairman and other mandated delegates carry the findings and conclusions of the meetings to the annual National Assemby which in turn takes its majority decisions to the secretariats"

Originally posted by JunoTheGreat
reply to post by lostjohnny

 

LOL i know right! I cant believe these guys are trying to stick up for a ruthless murderer! That's one of problems with today's society. People look up to the corrupt and greedy, and put down the noble and wise. sad sad sad

No the problem with todays society is people like you who believe everything the MSM tell you. You say "people are supporting a ruthless murderer"...i think you'll find that the people YOU have elcted have killed FAR MORE innocents around the world that Gaddafi ever did.

Look at your own back-yard before you look at someone elses...

Originally posted by here4awhile

Originally posted by CaptChaos
Ghaddafi had like ninety five percent approval rating from Libyans. Hmmm. More than DOUBLE that of our own president.

Oh, the "rebels" said all the people hated him. And those "rebels" appear to be mostly foreign mercenaries.

isn't this the truth that most anti-libya/anti-gadhaffi creepers try and ignore?

yes...yes it is...

Libya was an exceptionally thriving society in Africa until NATO showed up and ruined the country and it's upcoming...

]WAY better literacy rate, free healthcare (yes, not as good as US's no doubt, BUT FREE) and great education compared to others in Africa...such a sad state of affairs to actually think people believe this crap...

Having worked in Libya (Benghazi and Tripoli, 2 most important cities) over the last 2-3 years i can state that Libya wasn't particularly thriving at all. We were often on standby because it took so long to get any materials into the country. Small areas of the country were having public works carried out (infrastructure improvements) but the average man on the street wasn't a happy bunny - i know, i spoke to them whenever possible

reply to post by UnlimitedSky


Well, i put the post up just to showcase an interesting documentary about current event, but i guess the title was too much for some people. I didn't realize people were so attached to this certain topic. I do realize who the REAL and worst bad guys are, but Gaddafi's achievements dont deserve my attention personally. He might of got forced into a position where he felt he had to do bad things, but he still did those bad things.

reply to post by JunoTheGreat


Did you know that the US admitted the rebels had ties to Alquieda? Is that not interesting to you that Nato and the US backed rebels that have ties to Alqueida?

I do realize the rebels probably aren't the nicest bunch of characters. From what I've seen and read, this is just some more bad guys taking control from some other bad guy. Like I said, I know who the REAL bad guys are.

reply to post by jrmcleod


I've known about my own backyard for years. I just haven't put up a post about that topic yet.

Gaddafi WAS a Tyrant. He sold weapons to the IRA & the Red Army Faction, to name two, as well as allowing training camps in the desert. His original Revolutionary plan was quite agreeable, but it never materialised and his people never reaped the benefits of what he promised. Anyone who criticised this was dealt with or had to flee the country. I know the western governments aren't perfect, they've all got blood on their hands, but to turn around and defend a man like Gaddafi, because you HATE the west, this is ignorant at best. Just because our governments are corrupt and have an agenda it doesn't make Gaddafi, the 'Good Guy', he was a nasty piece of work. The world isn't much better off without him, there are still horrible tyrants in existence who are are still allowed to exist, probably because TPB let them and they are useful in someway to them. I'm sure, however, the people of Lockerbie, the relatives of the victims on board Pan Am Flight 103, the relatives and friends of PC Yvonne Fletcher, the relatives and friends of the victims of the IRA and the Red Army Faction would be quite happy that he's no longer with us.

Of course he was a tyrant but does that justify killing children or are they just collaterol?

They could have taken gadaffi out without killing all those women and kids with bombs. Our leaders are far worse than gaddaffi.

Originally posted by Shminkee Pinkee
Gaddafi WAS a Tyrant. He sold weapons to the IRA & the Red Army Faction, to name two, as well as allowing training camps in the desert...I'm sure, however, the people of Lockerbie, the relatives of the victims on board Pan Am Flight 103, the relatives and friends of PC Yvonne Fletcher, the relatives and friends of the victims of the IRA and the Red Army Faction would be quite happy that he's no longer with us.

Quite a lot of allegations but not a lot of evidence. 'He sold weapons to the IRA & the Red Army Faction', well if you go back to my previous posts above you will see what Gaddafi himself had to say about this allegation. In an article titled 'Muammar al-Gaddafi - Lunch with the FT', Gaddafi is asked about these very allegations.

I asked Muammar about his support for the Red Army Faction, the Red Brigades, and the Irish Republican Army (IRA). "These organisations were all controlled by the CIA and MI6," said Muammar. "Many of the top people in the IRA are agents of the British security services. And it should not be forgotten that it was the CIA who supplied weapons to the IRA."

Some may say 'well he would say that wouldn't he.' So we need to see if his comments have any ground to stand on. It is an acknowledged fact that the IRA have had intimate connections with the CIA, even up until recently;

www.independent.co.uk...

American support for terrorism in Ireland is well known:

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www.spectator.co.uk...

www.lewrockwell.com...

The British too had their own plans regarding Ireland. In fact in 1972 there was a plan to conduct a mass-exodus of of both Irish Catholics and Protestants. A total of one-third of Northern Ireland’s population would have been forcibly moved. Had this happened it would have been nothing more than disguised 'ethnic cleansing. [source: info-wars.org... ]

Enough of the IRA, let's turn our attention to the Red Army Faction. The RAF, although set up as a genuine 'leftist' group, was soon under the control of intelligence agencies. The operation, known generally as “Gladio,” was a ploy to damage the reputation of the Communist parties of Western Europe in order that they were not invited to join in any leftist government coalitions, particularly in Italy and France. Gladio is well documented. Anyone interested in the topic should read 'NATO's Secret Armies: Operation Gladio and Terrorism in Western Europe' by Daniele Ganser.

The CIA and the British secret service MI6, in collaboration with the military alliance NATO and European military secret services set up a network of clandestine anticommunist armies in Western Europe after World War II. The secret soldiers were trained on remote islands in the Mediterranean and in unorthodox warfare centers in England and in the United States by the Green Berets and SAS Special Forces. The network was armed with explosives, machine guns and high-tech communication equipment hidden in underground bunkers and secret arms caches in forests and mountain meadows. In some countries, the secret army linked up with right-wing terrorists who in a secret war engaged in political manipulation, harassment of left wing parties, massacres, coup d'etats and torture. Codenamed "Gladio" ('the sword'), the Italian secret army was exposed in 1990 by Italian Prime Minister Giulio Andreotti to the Italian Senate, whereupon the press spoke of the "the best kept, and most damaging, political-militarysecret since World War II" (Observer, 18. November 1990) and observed that "The story seems straight from the pages of a political thriller." (The Times, November 19, 1990). Ever since, so-called 'stay-behind' armies of NATO have also been discovered in France, Spain, Portugal, Germany, Belgium, the Netherlands, Luxemburg, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Finland, Switzerland, Austria, Greece and Turkey. They were internationally coordinated by the Pentagon and NATO and had their last known meeting in the NATO-linked Allied Clandestine Committee (ACC) in Brussels in October 1990.

Gladio and its “stay-behind” networks may be one of the most historically “accepted” or “confirmed” examples of false-flag terrorism. The documentation, the resolutions, confessions, and convictions all confirm that Gladio is much more than the media or government would have you believe—a mere “conspiracy theory.” See the State Department’s special site dedicated to dismissing “conspiracy theories,” including their page on Gladio.

Truth movers should take advantage of Gladio and the stay-behind networks as a confirmed precedent of the US and western governments participating in ruthless terrorist attacks against their own people in order instill fear, control the population, and frame left-wing political opponents. People who believe that such things do not or cannot happen should be forcefully made aware of such examples as Operation Gladio.

Evidence

-The August 2, 1980 bombing of the Bologna train station which killed 85 people, is widely recognized as a Gladio operation. While it was initially blamed on the communist “Red Brigades,” eventually, right-wing and fascists elements were discoverd to be the culprits. Two Italian secret service agents and Licio Gelli, the head of the infamous P2 Masonic lodge, were convicted in connection to the bombing.

-“The makings of the bomb… came from an arsenal used by Gladio… according to a parliamentary commission on terrorism… The suggested link with the Bologna massacre is potentially the most serious of all the accusations levelled against Gladio, and comes just two days after the Italian Prime Minister, Giulio Andreotti, cleared Gladio’s name in a speech to parliament, saying that the secret army did not drift from its formal Nato military brief” The Guardian January 16, 1991

-1969: “In Italy, the Piazza Fontana massacre in Milan kills 16 and injures and maims 80 [….] during a trial of rightwing extremists General Giandelio Maletti, former head of Italian counterintelligence, alleges that the massacre had been carried out by the Italian stay-behind army and rightwing terrorists on the orders of the US secret service CIA in order to discredit Italian Communists.”

-1985: “In Belgium, a secret army attacks and shoots shoppers in supermarkets randomly in the Brabant county killing 28 and leaving many wounded. Investigations link the terror to a conspiracy among the Belgian stay-behind SDRA8, the Belgian Gendarmerie SDRA6, the Belgian right-wing group WNP and the Pentagon secret service DIA.”

-According to Vincenzo Vinciguerra, a far-right terrorist linked to Gladio and currently serving a life-sentence for the car bomb murder of 3 policement, “The reason was quite simple. They were supposed to force these people, the Italian public, to turn to the state to ask for greater security. This is the political logic that lies behind all the massacres and the bombings which remain unpunished, because the state cannot convict itself or declare itself responsible for what happened.”

-Vinciguerra also made this statement to The Guardian, “The terrorist line was followed by camouflaged people, people belonging to the security apparatus, or those linked to the state apparatus through rapport or collaboration. I say that every single outrage that followed from 1969 fitted into a single, organised matrix… Avanguardia Nazionale, like Ordine Nuovo (the main right-wing terrorist group active during the 1970s), were being mobilised into the battle as part of an anti-communist strategy originating not with organisations deviant from the institutions of power, but from within the state itself, and specifically from within the ambit of the state’s relations within the Atlantic Alliance.”

-In 1990, the European Parliament passed a resolution condemning Gladio. The resolution requested full investigations and a total dismantlement of the paramilitary structures involved—neither of which have come to pass.

Operation Gladio is undisputed historical fact. Gladio was part of a post-World War II program set up by the CIA and NATO supposedly to thwart future Soviet/communist invasions or influence in Italy and Western Europe. In fact, it became a state-sponsored right-wing terrorist network, involved in false flag operations and the subversion of democracy.

The existence of Gladio was confirmed and admitted by the Italian government in 1990, after a judge, Felice Casson, discovered the network in the course of his investigations into right-wing terrorism. Italian prime minister Giulio Andreotti admitted Gladio’s existence.

So let's more to the case of Yvonne Fletcher.

In 1984, in London, Police Constable Yvonne Fletcher was shot dead outside the Libyan people’s Bureau.

In April 1996, Britain's Channel Four programme Dispatches revealed that Fletcher had been murdered by elements of British and American intelligence. David Guyatt tells us:

"The purpose of the slaying ... was to 'shape' public opinion and, importantly, pre-empt Parliamentary indignation for the later bombing of Tripoli by British based US warplanes."

[source: plane-truth.com... ]

The official inquest concluded that WPC Fletcher was killed by someone firing a 9mm calibre automatic weapon from a lower floor in the Libyan embassy.

But this verdict has been disputed by a number of experts, including the British Army's senior ballistics officer Lieutenant Colonel George Styles and Home Office pathologist Hugh Thomas.

On 24 June 1997, Tam Dalyell MP questioned Prime Minister Tony Blair about the death of Yvonne Fletcher. Dalyell made particular reference to a Channel 4 documentary about the murder:

"With the agreement of Queenie Fletcher, her mother, I raised with the Home Office the three remarkable programmes that were made by Fulcrum, and their producer, Richard Bellfield, called Murder In St. James's."

"Television speculation is one thing, but this was rather more than that, because on film was George Styles, the senior ballistics officer in the British Army, who said that, as a ballistics expert, he believed that the WPC could not have been killed from the second floor of the Libyan embassy, as was suggested."

"Also on film was my friend, Hugh Thomas, who talked about the angles at which bullets could enter bodies, and the position of those bodies."

"Hugh Thomas was, for years, the consultant surgeon of the Royal Victoria hospital in Belfast, and I suspect he knows more about bullets entering bodies than anybody else in Britain."

"Above that was Professor Bernard Knight, who, on and off, has been the Home Office pathologist for 25 years."

"When Bernard Knight gives evidence on film that the official explanation could not be, it is time for an investigation."

A major issue is the discrepancy in the bullet trajectory noted by the pathologist who examined the body of Yvonne Fletcher.

Dr. Ian West wrote in his initial post mortem report she was shot from the upper floors of an adjacent building because "the angle of wound was between 60 and 70 degrees".

Please watch:

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For more info on the Yvonne Fletcher case please visit the following sites:

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www.deepblacklies.co.uk...

vialls.homestead.com...

One thing is certain, the real killers of Yvonne Fletcher have now wiped their tracks:

www.independent.co.uk...

reply to post by JunoTheGreat


I dont know hey.... Showcase or not, a vid should always be accompanied by some texts for the unlucky 20%. I had uncapped when I lived in Italy and had no idea why my friends in SA did not comment about the excellent research that I was passing on to them. Ha ha ha! Now I understand, it was all in video format and no-one could afford to watch it!

And as far as Gadaffi goes, I get the feeling that he did great things for his people, and the PTB did not like that he stayed firm in his independence from the wonderful world of 'dying in debt'.

It is extremely difficult to form an acurate opinion about something that happened/s thousands of miles from me when i have absolute no direct contact with anyone that had/s first hand experience in Libia. So, as not to be lead by the nose I choose to remain completely without opinion, as any opinion I might form at this point is based on what the media is saying. Thus, it will be their opinion, not mind.

oi! tough one.