ATS and OWS: What the heck, ATS?

reply to post by Seventhdoor


Well, look, we didn't see the homeless, druggies, and communists show up to Tea Parties. But then Tea Partiers cleaned up and went home after their events, instead of camping out and engaging in the same "free love" and partying in the streets till all hours of the night that the original 60's hippies did. Being a Patriot is not the same thing as being a counterrevolutionary. I'm certain that in the Tea Party community, a physical revolution would be the action of last resort, whereas OWS is calling for physical violence now to change our society into their Statist Utopia. I have watched here and what I see in the livestreams, blogs, and whatever else available, the OWS supporters overwhelmingly are Statist and want more government involvement in our affairs. OWS wants government to reorganize and control college education now to their desires for job ready courses. That would mean controlling all the private Universities. I believe that is their ultimate goal for education. Govt paid, govt controlled, and they think that will get them the cushy jobs they want, the minute they walk out of University. If ever they complain that wealthy daddies give their kids the keys to the pretty red corvette for graduation, they want that cushy job upon their exit.
It is NEVER going to happen that way. Instead it is going to be the bread lines of Russia right here in the States, as more businesses fail due to excessive govt control, private business will fail and there will be less revenue to feed the hungry mouths on welfare.
Govt cannot control all the means of production and be healthy. We saw that with Russia. Why do people want to bring that kind of failure here? Because they have been brainwashed by their Marxist professors embedded within the most Progressive Universities to believe that all our problems are from Capitalism, and not the reverse.
OWS is a minority, not a majority. Most people in the States I believe really do not want a Statist Socialist govt telling them what to do, what to eat, how much to eat, what to do or not do in bed, what to smoke or not smoke, how much money we can make(yes that is the new fad, telling wealthy people how much they can make), and pretty soon, how much electricity we can consume, how much water, food will be rationed too. If you don't believe it, you should study UN Agenda 21.

Oh yes, after the govt takeover of health care, they will start to ration that too.
Here's the conspiracy part of my post. It is all designed for depopulation of the "useless eaters" and the complete control and domination of whoever is left that is not part of the Elite.

reply to post by OutKast Searcher


I don't think its that simple, and it certainly shouldn't be portrayed as such. I'm unsure on my stance for OWS, i think something needs to be done im completely baffled on how it can be done effectively and not attracted people that have a left/right mentality.

I have a very right winged mind(if we have to use these terms) but im also very left winged in my approach and how things can benefit others. So does that mean i have to sit on the fence and be ridiculed by my peers for not making a stance on which side im on? No it really doesn't, why can't we have a company make a perfectly great, long lasting product, while being environmentally friendly and keeping there business locally run for a community? I know why we currently can't...... GREED!

reply to post by TheWalkingFox


If OWS is more "organized" than Tea Party, it's because the real organization comes from the top, from Soros and Barack and Pelosi and the DSA, and it is all designed to fit right into the Democrat Party platform. All it takes is a bit of studying to know that most of the demands are cookie cutter Democrat Party agenda. The Democrat Party is de facto socialist party now, and anyone who does not want a Socialist State should vacate the Democrat Party now. That would be the real Tea Party, with members of Tea Party from the right who do not like the Stealth Progressive treason of the Republican party RINOs.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

instead of camping out and engaging in the same "free love" and partying in the streets till all hours of the night that the original 60's hippies did.

History repeating itself?

You think this 'movement' is new?

Back in Grandma and Grandpa's day:

There's something happening here
What it is ain't exactly clear
There's a man with a gun over there
Telling me I got to beware

I think it's time we stop, children, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down

There's battle lines being drawn
Nobody's right if everybody's wrong
Young people speaking their minds
Getting so much resistance from behind

www.stlyrics.com...


Almost every word of that song describes the OWS movement of today.

"There's something happening here
What it is ain't exactly clear"

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by SLAYER69

 

It's good to see you.

Likewise.

Let the cards fall where they may.

What if the protesters all agreed to burn the Patriot Act?

I think this would be a great start to unifying everyone. I've to meet anyone yet that thinks it's a good thing.
Then, we can go from there to decide what is next on our list of demands.

reply to post by Fractured.Facade



Star for posting the tunes.



The silent majority back then also came out numbering in the Millions....

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Originally posted by jam321
It's been about 6 or 7 weeks since this whole thing began, what greed have they stopped? Have they stopped the corruption? What successes can they claim up to this point?

If OWS want to protest, then let them protest. But don't expect me to join their crowd until they can prove to me that they can effectively target corporations without hurting the same people they supposedly represent.

What I will give them is that BoA actually gave up on their intent to have 5$ atm fees, but I do not know what else may have been involved in that decision to rescind. Perhaps the walk-in demands to shut down their bank accounts helped form that decision. I do not know.
That is about the only thing positive I can give the movement other than general awareness of Wall Street corruption.But the OWS solutions really stink of World Communism.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
That's dissapointing.

If you aren't for OWS...you are "programmed".

That is not at all what I said OR what I meant. I am, as with most issues, on the fence about OWS, but I support the general idea of the freedom to protest and try to change things that aren't working for them. I don't mean that people against OWS are programmed. We ALL are. We are programmed to divide.

I even sent you a PM a while ago, saying that I agreed with your assessment. Please ... If you don't understand something I said, ask about it.

reply to post by Fractured.Facade


Yep, I know the song. I was at the tail end of the Boomer period. I am not pro-war, but I do believe in a strong defense, unlike Barack who loves war but pretends not to, all the while dismantling our defensive systems and ceding sovereignty to the UN, and giving Russia, China, N Korea, and Iran all the advantages he can, as well as moving forward the nationalizing of as many industries as he can, and from the comfort of the WH supporting and stirring up the Muslim Brotherhood and Sharia Law in many countries.
I mean, it's anti-Christ apocalyptic proportions.


For the record, Moody Blues was my favorite, and Yes....but that's another story. I wore blue jeans when the cheerleaders were wearing pom poms, and the jocks were wearing football helmets. I did yoga and meditated. So that's my story, but I found the spiritual track whereas many others found the State.




OK one more, I can't resist

I don't think OWS gets to take credit for BoA, at all. 650,000 people shut down their accounts before today. General outrage, not OWS inspired.

Also, slayer brings up a good point. If you notice the pictures, the protesters aren't on Wall Street.

reply to post by SLAYER69


Imagine what could happen if we could all get on the same page this time?

Too bad, without proper leadership and direction it likely wont happen.... We have more in common here than many may be willing to believe, the divisions are there by design to prevent a massive uprising that would go in the right direction and against the systems in government that are truly oppressing the American people.

You think it is a mistake that focus here is in all of the wrong places?

Not at all.... And as long as confusion and division remains this movement is doomed to fail at affecting changes that could benefit EVERYONE, but may succeed at influencing changes that will assure continued and protracted status quo.




*leaves thread, pondering what could have been*

reply to post by TheWalkingFox

I didn't like this crap back in the 60's/70's. I worked hard and paid my way in college. I didn't believe in the drugs and free love BS either. Some of the music was OK. When our military and veterans needed our support the most we had the leftist basically spiting on them. I went to college to get an education and it pissed me off when some whiny professor called off class because a lot of the students were outside showing their ass.

So, I'm not going to support a new generation of leftist whiners blocking the street and calling for redistribution of money, bad mouthing the military and generally participating in anarchy.

The system my be broken but I want to elect the right people to office to gut the federal government, return power to the states and let states sink or swim on their own. The only thing I want the federal government to provide is a top notch, well equipped military to protect us and our interests throughout the world, some basic research in technologies much like the NASA of the 60's/70's that brought us so many great things and a few rules and regulation to keep states from fighting over stupid stuff or creating regulations that harm business and services of other states. That doesn't include RP that wants to limit our military and our interventions and/or influence in the world.

These nuts shouldn't be so quick to call for violence. Now isn't the time to pick up a gun. I can just hear the discussions about armed terrorist at the ows protests. Nice excuse to involve the military in terrorist abatement. Helicopter gun ships or predator drones to take out the terrorist maybe. This will end badly for the terrorist. TPTB just need to get someone infiltrated to open fire on the cops or civilian bystanders and broadcast it on the evening news. Terrorism and/or insurrection nicely bypasses the Posse Comitatus Act. The few that are protesting will be slaughtered if they start shooting. Governments and MSM have already programmed the masses. The masses may be horrified at the slaughter but right now they will support the authorities. For example, just look at the TSA, everyone grouses but get in line. When you have 100-200 million Americans supporting a revolt, that will be the time if the Government doesn't listen.

I don't know what to tell you other than everything gets hijacked by the media...

When I found out about Occupy before it even started, it was about generally standing up and protesting the criminals who control the system and abuse it for personal profit and power.

Within a week it turned around completely, now it's some sort of Communist anti-Freedom movement according to the media and everyone who bought the media hype.

In my opinion, it was just like the Tea Party. It was really cool at first when it was generally against oppression via government corruption. But like Occupy, it was twisted by the media into a bunch of garbage most people will never agree with.

So essentially there is no way to protest anymore without being turned into either Communism or Racism. Just my opinion based on what I see happening.

So I must digress, and revert to my original philosophy that the only real way to protest and make it count, is to vote with our $$$. If you don't support something, don't buy it. If you buy it, they will take that as a vote of support for their policies and actions.

Let's see them try to twist that one around in the media. They simply aren't clever enough to surmount that type of protest and turn it into something it's not.

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox

maybe some things are worth shouting over.

On this we can agree. I'm not interested in arguing, I am posting my point of view on the matter. While you do have some valid points, I respectfully disagree with you. We just see things in a different way, there's nothing wrong with that.

By the way, I watched several different videos regarding Occupy Oakland, I'm not talking about the march. I'm talking about the aftermath, where everything went to hell. I tend to watch everyone in such videos, not just "the bad guy".

Originally posted by Bramble Iceshimmer

These nuts shouldn't be so quick to call for violence. Now isn't the time to pick up a gun.

I agree some individuals call for violence all too often but...

Can we be logically consistent here at least?

You characterized this subset of society as liberal hippies or whatever you want to call them (fill in the blank).
Last I checked that's the last group to 'pick up a gun', since that group is the same group as the gun-grabbers isn't it?

I mean if we are going to pigeonhole an entire group of millions of people into a simple one-line belief, let's at least make it reasonable and consistent with the other one-line assumptions we place upon the same group.

reply to post by TheWalkingFox


Excellent Post.

As an independent, I support OWS and their aims of getting the corruption and money out of politics.


When the movement first started, people were wondering what do they want?
Well, the main stream media will tell you their spin, or you can go online and at the protests and see what it really is about.

OWS has been a huge success, because there are thousands of forum threads all over the internet about it, and that has to be a huge thorn in the side for tptb, and those that support crony capitalism.

The incestuous relationship between our government and wall street is being discovered by many that did not know anything about it before. Their trust in our politicians and the banksters on wall street is at an all time low.

There are also many posts of people calling these protesters names, ridiculing them etc, but fortunately, people are looking for substance and debate, not name calling. The name callers have no rebuttal nor debate to offer people in regards to our Wall Street Government, nor the Governmental Wall Street that we have, so the smart ones will see right through it that they support the status quo and move along to the next post.

This song represents OWS.

Originally posted by neo96

This song represents OWS.

Correction, that song represents Wall Street and all of the multi-hat wearing, revolving door plutocrats that run our nation.

Originally posted by jacobe001


There are also many posts of people calling these protesters names, ridiculing them etc, but fortunately, people are looking for substance and debate, not name calling. The name callers have no rebuttal nor debate to offer people in regards to our Wall Street Government, nor the Governmental Wall Street that we have, so the smart ones will see right through it that they support the status quo and move along to the next post.

Hmmmmm,I dont believe that for one second. As an Independent myself, I see many faults with OWS,the biggest is the common fallacy that this movement is getting results. Many forums on the internet are posting the opposite to OWS and their many messages,asking for one common one,that truly represents America. OWS hasnt come through with one,except the hatred for "Wall Street Government" which isnt MY Government,or the one that I believe represents me. The smart ones are staying home,and are figuring ways to fight this,with votes,come next election.I know America is disenchanted with "Hope and Change",because they wouldnt be protesting, if America was doing well.

There are also many OWS supporters who are calling ANYONE that doesnt support this movement,neocons,1%,etc.......and that also doesnt help them.MHO