Israeli President: I believe Israel, world approaching military option on Iran nuclear threat

reply to post by Dr Expired


what super weapon are you talking about?

reply to post by lonewolf19792000

You call them cowards but, do you see Israel Defense Forces grabbing human shields so they don't get shot? Do you see the IDF firing RPG's hiding from behind walls where they can't be seen very easy? Do you see the IDF strapping bomb jackets on little kids and teaching them how to run into crowds of people and detonate themselves? Do you see the IDF planting I.E.D.s in the ground where women and children can step on them? Do you see the IDF planting bombs in vehicles and parking those vehicles next to market places and restaurants?

How about attacking an unarmed ally ship with fighter jets and gunboats ????

Yeah, some freakin brave IDF ya got there..

Never forget the USS Liberty..
Every man on that boat was far braver than those cowardly Israelis that attacked her.

reply to post by backinblack


ohh get over it. You want me to start naming Arab and Muslim terror attacks on the west for the past 30 years? (it would take years to write).

lets not go that far, just look at the deaths and killing of arab civilians in middle eastern countries by their own primitive, fanatic muslim regimes.

Iran, syria and countries like them who twist islam and follow to the words of religion rather then the words of humanity and logic are the problem.

Enough, its either time to destroy these countries or force them to modernize and join humanity.

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reply to post by CountDrac


Well what difference would that make? Israel has goodies, and it even if they didn't, we would back
them up. We love "The Mount of Olives, The Garden of Gethsemane,and Golgotha." S a v v y?
The intelligent measure would be for Israel to not possess any Nuclear Weapons. They don't need them,
The United States of America is Sound . The next step would be for Israel to join the Non-Proliferation Treaty.
Thirdly, Israel would allow The IAEA access to certify these conditions.

Problem solved. No Nuclear Arms Race in The Middle East. Period.
METO could be signed, and we could move on.Dissent would be Slammed by "The International Community."
Figure in Iran here to this part of the calculation as a current example.
The United States of America, Russia,and China could would still fullfill the role of "Bad Guys",
But Hey, Its a Dirty Job but Someones Got to Do It.

Middle Eastern Diplomacy Solved,,,,,Next.

reply to post by backinblack


I'm a racist?

Every single one of your posts is anti israel, one sided, and filled with muslim propaganda spreading hate towards israel.

On another note;
Islamic republics are a threat to the west while israel is not.
Most muslim countries follow religious law before state laws, meaning no separation between religion and state like western civilized countries.

And as long as its legal to stone muslim women to death like they still do in most middle eastern countries, your damn right I'm not going to change my opinion (just one example to how backwards they are and how they treat their own people).

reply to post by CountDrac

Every single one of your posts is anti israel, one sided, and filled with muslim propaganda spreading hate towards israel.

Discussing facts regarding Israeli actions can not be called anti-Israel..

You merely twist what I say to suit YOUR racist beliefs..

I believe Israelis to be normal people, it's their Government that is corrupt..

Same as most Governments currently I might add...

reply to post by backinblack


Also I am not talking about Muslims or Arab people.
Only crazy Muslim governments, fanatic Muslim regimes and Muslim terrorists.

Originally posted by CountDrac
reply to post by backinblack

 

Also I am not talking about Muslims or Arab people.
Only crazy Muslim governments, fanatic Muslim regimes and Muslim terrorists.

Really??
You could have fooled me..
Seems to me you hate all Arabs and Muslims and have often called for entire countries to be nuked..

There's even this comment on this very page.

Enough, its either time to destroy these countries or force them to modernize and join humanity.

Seems pretty self explanatory to me..
You HATE Arabs and Muslims...

Enough trolling. Members are free to express their opinions without being insulted or mischaracterized.

It's an emotional topic, and strong opinions about it are welcome. But people who lack the maturity to discuss difficult topics politely have no business posting on ATS.

Let's please confine our comments to the topic only and avoid the need for further moderator action.

Thanks.

Think its time someone puts down that rabid dog israel...
End the problem once and for all.

Hope israel ready to face both russia and china should israel persist in its stupidity of attacking iran...

reply to post by Expat888


Maybe Russia. Not China.
And I honestly think they still might just shrug it off after the fact. Not because they aren't capable of doing something, but because they aren't into the business of wasting resources after their afghanistan debacle. We could have learned from that one.

Originally posted by CountDrac
reply to post by backinblack

 

Also I am not talking about Muslims or Arab people.
Only crazy Muslim governments, fanatic Muslim regimes and Muslim terrorists.

Excepts from: The Politics of Genocide, Edward S. Herman/David Peterson. Monthly Review Press: New York. 2010.

"In late 1982, the UN General Assembly- in contrast to the non-action by the Security Council- resolved that the Sabra-Shatila "massacre was an act of genocide." [page 73]

"Israel justly defended itself against terror," Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said. "This biased and unjust report is a clear-cut test for all governments. Will you stand with Israel or will you stand with the terrorists?" But in fact Netanyahu's own definition of terrorism would include the Israeli attack on the Gaza Palestinians: "Terrorism is the deliberate and systematic murder, maiming, and menacing of the innocent to inspire fear for political ends." This is how Goldstone, and John Dugard and Richard Falk before him, describe Israeli actions in Gaza." [page 78-79]

People don't read enough books these days, hence their uninformed opinions supporting war.

Oh yes!Who would'nt take the word of the backers of the likes of hamas and hezbolloh that their atomic progeam is peaceful.They have followed the same playbook as n.korea.How ironic if irans fall-out poisons the Equality for iran crowd simpletons that post their tripe here.

Originally posted by CountDrac
reply to post by backinblack

 

ohh get over it. You want me to start naming Arab and Muslim terror attacks on the west for the past 30 years? (it would take years to write).

lets not go that far, just look at the deaths and killing of arab civilians in middle eastern countries by their own primitive, fanatic muslim regimes.

Iran, syria and countries like them who twist islam and follow to the words of religion rather then the words of humanity and logic are the problem.

Enough, its either time to destroy these countries or force them to modernize and join humanity.

So destroy them or force your beliefs on them. How very humane of you.

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by Expat888

 

Maybe Russia. Not China.
And I honestly think they still might just shrug it off after the fact. Not because they aren't capable of doing something, but because they aren't into the business of wasting resources after their afghanistan debacle. We could have learned from that one.

true.. they may do like back during vietnam send advisors and equipment rather than commit conventional forces .. make a nightmare for u.s and israeli forces if it came to another guerrilla war their high tech toys useless in unconventional warfare.. The u.s didnt learn from vietnam it still thinks too conventional .. israel only good against unarmed civilians .. You're correct russia did learn from afghanistan as well as georgia and chechnya.. china even learned from vietnam as the vietnamese send them packing when china tries to grab land in n.vietnam periodically.. Still have a feeling either russia or china would assist iran either conventionally or unconventionally depending on the scenario.. No matter how it goes down it will be bloody and loss of life will be high.. All so the psycopaths in america and israel can get hard ons over more mass murder for profit.. They're all mad..

Originally posted by CountDrac
reply to post by backinblack

 

I'm a racist?

Every single one of your posts is anti israel, one sided, and filled with muslim propaganda spreading hate towards israel.

On another note;
Islamic republics are a threat to the west while israel is not.
Most muslim countries follow religious law before state laws, meaning no separation between religion and state like western civilized countries.

And as long as its legal to stone muslim women to death like they still do in most middle eastern countries, your damn right I'm not going to change my opinion (just one example to how backwards they are and how they treat their own people).

edit on 5-11-2011 by CountDrac because: (no reason given)

Jews and Women

you made me chuckle

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000

Originally posted by FraternitasSaturni
Israel cant attack iran alone... so thats fine. As long as the freakin poodle with rabies barks alone, thats fine... iran would wipe them from the face of the planet, and maybe turkey would help so... here comes israel calling all the family and friends they have... like the cowards they are.

Thank god that evil state is at an end...

LOL. Right, watch what happens if Israel tries to attack Iran alone, it will be the entire muslim world that comes crashing down on them, not just Iran. They have to call on their allies, or they will be swallowed by a billion muslim screaming allahu'a'ahkbar and "death to Israel".

You call them cowards but, do you see Israel Defense Forces grabbing human shields so they don't get shot? Do you see the IDF firing RPG's hiding from behind walls where they can't be seen very easy? Do you see the IDF strapping bomb jackets on little kids and teaching them how to run into crowds of people and detonate themselves? Do you see the IDF planting I.E.D.s in the ground where women and children can step on them? Do you see the IDF planting bombs in vehicles and parking those vehicles next to market places and restaurants?

Before you go calling them cowards, you need to scrutinize the "heroes" youre trying to immortalize with your propaganda. I have no respect for a "warrior" who is too chickensh*t to fight on their own and who grabs human shields while they run away so they don't die.

Propaganda? You have no idea what that is... listen, first you go and see what your dear IDF does in gaza with their illegal weapons and excessive use of force, then we can talk about what a man can do when hes desperate because hes familiy is being a killed, his land is being invaded and noone in the world cares. So yes, terror tactics are a solution when theres nothing else. Your dear IDF uses a lot more terror tactics than you can possibly imagine...

I like the part where they invade a civilian ship with their ultra elite spec ops and get their asses kicked even by women... how can they possibly think of taking on iran LOL. Its ridiculous... and Iran doesnt need allies to wipe israel clear off the face of the earth... and thats why Israel didnt go there yet. They're good in kicking kids in their butts like they do in gaza... but against a big boy, they're as coward as they come. Plus that ship thing was the most humiliating assault I've ever seen... and believe me I had my share, and that one was to die laughing. Poor Israel and its scare tactics. They're that bully in the schoolyard that wont stop harassing the other kids but he never ever takes on the "fat kid"... cause altho the "fat kid" is fat and seems dumb, the little coward bully doesnt really want to mess with him cause he cant see the full capability of the fat kid... and yes, prolly the fat kid would break his spinal column like a twig.

So have fun defending the IDF and its methods... but I think you're one of those guys that *SNIP -- PERSONAL COMMENTARY REMOVED*.



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Iran's amendment to it's Constitution in 2004 says they are "privatizing" 80% of their state-owned assets.

Including oil refineries !

I Wonder WHO is "owning" them when this is accomplished when the 10-year plan is finished?

The next few years will be interesting for business.

I wonder WHO "owns" whatever is already completed?


The whole political structure may need to change because of this "plan".

Maybe that's the real "hidden plan" we are not hearing much about in the West !


source from Aug 2011 (Iranian source)
Iran Plans Privatizing Oil Refineries

Iran, the world's fourth largest oil producer, is due to implement a major economic plan to privatize its oil refineries in line with its privatization scheme.

Managing-Director of the National Iranian Oil Refining and Distribution Company (NIORDC) Alireza Zeiqami announced that seven of the country's nine oil refineries will be ceded to the private sector by the end of the current Iranian year (March 2012).

"National Iranian Oil Refining and Distribution Company and its subsidiaries will become privatized. At least 11 companies and refineries will cede their shares to the private sector later this year," he stated.

Zeiqami, who is also deputy oil minister, said that domestic and foreign investors can purchase the shares of the refineries through the Privatization Organization of Iran.

Article 44 of the Iranian Constitution stipulates that the country's economic system shall be based on public, cooperative and private sectors.

All large-scale industries, mother industries, foreign trade, large mines, banking, insurance, power supply, dams and large irrigation channels, radio and television, post, telegraph and telephone, aviation, shipping, roads, rails, refineries and the like are public property and under the guidance of the government.

A 2004 amendment to the Article, however, has set in motion a ten-year plan to privatize eighty percent of Iran's state-owned assets.

If TPTB replace their current "regime" in Iran to suit a new "approved" agenda,

a new "regime" could transfer even more wealth away from the citizens.

Iran's net foreign assets are huge.

$61 Billion in 2009.

steady increases since 1998.

Iran, Islamic Rep. - net foreign assets

Definition: Net foreign assets are the sum of foreign assets held by monetary authorities and deposit money banks, less their foreign liabilities. Data are in current local currency.

Source: International Monetary Fund, International Financial Statistics and data files.

Think about Where those assets are if there not in Iran?
And WHO really has control?

IF Russia and China were smart they would launch an invasion of Iran before Israel and the West did. Since, both countries are semi-buddybuddy with Iran they could plan it out to have Iran surrender without much bloodshed. Then they would have a reason to move and keep all of their military in the Persian Gulf. This would also make it near impossible for the U.S. to ever get Iran back under the umbrella because we'd have to go through Russia and China directly instead of by proxy as it is now. It would also prevent complete world and energy domination.