Why support for Occupy is the most important thing you can do.

I've seen a bunch of posts around, saying how people don't support occupy because the crosshairs are pointed at wall street and banks, instead of the government.

We can all agree that the government, if ran correctly, could support the general feeling of the country, and move towards fixing our problems instead of digging in deeper.

I fear, that if we do not support occupy, and we let it slip away and lose support and diligence, then people will not support another massive pull for grand change. If we try another time in the future for different goals, we would never gain enough support to even break headlines for local news.

We need change to happen. If not, we are gambling our children's lives away with worse odds than the lottery.

If we support Occupy, we support everyone's hope for change. hope for a better tomorrow, and not world war three.

Originally posted by Iconic
I've seen a bunch of posts around, saying how people don't support occupy because the crosshairs are pointed at wall street and banks, instead of the government.

Such an attitude is mis-guided... the banks and Wall street own the freaking gov't. The Occupy movement has it exactly right, they are targeting the real source of the problem.

For the focus to be put on the gov't at this point in time would be analogous to putting Army enlisted personnel in jail for the abuses in Iraq... they may have implemented the policy, but the driving force was at the Presidential level of the time. So the enlisted folks got the rough end of the stick while the real guilty parties are still walking the streets.

The Occupy movement has it right and should get full support of all 99%-ers everywhere.

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I fear, that if we do not support occupy, and we let it slip away and lose support and diligence, then people will not support another massive pull for grand change.

That is why I said :

OWS needs a leader .

But another point; I'm surprised to see that kind of thinking here. I guess you gotta work at the true message everywhere, huh?

I mean, this is our one chance. The money is the catalyst to everything that is wrong with our country. We were number one at one time. Now, we have to fight to get it back. I'm willing.

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We cannot cast ballots for leadership in such a physically lacking situation. Our actions alone judge us, and will lead everything else into place.

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I've seen a bunch of posts around saying.

" I've seen a bunch of posts around, saying how people don't support occupy" I'm glad you see that 'occupy" isn't worth support

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I'm glad to see you don't care about the future of our country, or the people, or your own life.

Yeah, why should we support it? why should we stop watching our porn and eating doritos and tv dinners, why should we care that the proletariat pays the highest percent tax, and the middle class is taxed so highly that it slowly killed it until we're at where we are now.

People need to pay attention to the details, and follow the money trail. It isn't hard to see what's at fault.

Unless your simple.

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So what is your solution for the problem you are going to face ?

I fear, that if we do not support occupy, and we let it slip away and lose support and diligence, then people will not support another massive pull for grand change

Time is passing and people will get more exhausted as this continues.

I went to Occupy London yesterday, I thought it was about time I went and had a look for myself. Not once did I see any communist or marxist literature, signs or banners. Of course there were the usual protester types there, but what struck me was the amount of older protesters camping there. I'm talking retirees or getting close to that age.

Even though I am not a religious person, it was interesting to see quite a large number of religious people there, from what seemed like all religious backgrounds. However, the best thing for me was seeing that it was there and people were engaging with one another, city types engaging in discussion with the protesters and quite a few military personel handing out poppies and talking with the protesters and tourists visiting the site. It was a great tapestry of life all within a small area. Made me feel proud to be British.

I don't know what the occupy movements will achieve, but for me personally Occupy london has already highlighted many of the contradictions that lay at the heart of the British establishment and for that alone, I applaud them and support them .

I have got some pics, but they're from my iphone and are a bit crap.

Banks got in trouble because they were FORCED by the government to make loans to people in high-risk demographics. I don't understand the logic of petitioning government to get more involved. Just sayin'...

Originally posted by Iconic
I'm glad to see you don't care about the future of our country, or the people, or your own life.

I do care. That's why I supported the TEA Party (Taxed Enough Already) I don't support wealth redistribution, and I believe if someone earns money, it's theirs to do what they want with it.

Originally posted by Iconic
Yeah, why should we support it? why should we stop watching our porn and eating doritos and tv dinners, why should we care that the proletariat pays the highest percent tax, and the middle class is taxed so highly that it slowly killed it until we're at where we are now.

Yes, the middle class is TAXED ENOUGH ALREADY (ie. TEA Party). Not the "Tax more and redistribute wealth" Communist OWS dribble.

Originally posted by Iconic
People need to pay attention to the details, and follow the money trail. It isn't hard to see what's at fault.

I have. It's the Federal Reserve and the banking system, along with the government forcing banks to lend to people who have no means or paying the loan back, as well as the people who borrowed the money in the first place, knowing they couldn't pay it back. Additionally, it's giving U.S. tax dollars to foreign countries, outsourcing jobs to China and India. A flood of illegal aliens driving wages down, and bankrupting social programs. It's a number of things. However, you're right, I did follow the money. OWS money. It's coming from moveon.org, the Communist Party, Nazi Party, Adbusters, George Soros, and hard core leftists. I prefer not live under a government that Stalin thrived under. No thanks.

Originally posted by Iconic
Unless your simple.

Huh?

Originally posted by RealAmericanPatriot
Banks got in trouble because they were FORCED by the government to make loans to people in high-risk demographics. I don't understand the logic of petitioning government to get more involved. Just sayin'...

In fact wasn't it our very own President before he was in federal politics one of those demanding banks give home mortgages to those everyone knew couldn't pay them back? And yet Occupy... doesn't see any significance or importance in demanding change from the very government who forced banks to give mortgages to those who couldn't even pass a simple credit check. Could this 'decision' be coming from a higher power within the Occupy... organization providing money and direction?

Originally posted by Iconic
I've seen a bunch of posts around, saying how people don't support occupy because the crosshairs are pointed at wall street and banks, instead of the government.

We can all agree that the government, if ran correctly, could support the general feeling of the country, and move towards fixing our problems instead of digging in deeper.

I fear, that if we do not support occupy, and we let it slip away and lose support and diligence, then people will not support another massive pull for grand change. If we try another time in the future for different goals, we would never gain enough support to even break headlines for local news.

We need change to happen. If not, we are gambling our children's lives away with worse odds than the lottery.

If we support Occupy, we support everyone's hope for change. hope for a better tomorrow, and not world war three.

edit on 4-11-2011 by Iconic because: (no reason given)

It's a trap, what have people been talking about for years now, FEMA camps and martial law, what better way to issue martial law and round people up into the camp, protests all around America. Do you really think they care? Why would they start caring about the 99% now? It's a TRAP. It's advertised and talked about on every news channel and website, why try to reach more people to protest, remember who owns these news stations and blocks people from hearing news stories, the 1%? The revolution will not be televised.

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If they impose martial law, let them try. I'll be damned if I let a police state rule.

The next plan is to get more people involved. It will die if people don't get their voices and concerns heard. The next step after that will present itself when its needed

Originally posted by Iconic
But another point; I'm surprised to see that kind of thinking here. I guess you gotta work at the true message everywhere, huh?

It indicates one of two things:

1) There are a lot of 1%-ers with nothing better to do than post on ATS, and they are the source of these postings.

2) It indicates the effectiveness of the 1%-er propaganda effort.

My personal opinion is 2).

If you don't want to participate in the protests or support them, you can always use them as a tool.
At the moment, they're OCCUPYING the attention of the powerful, so we need to act now while they're distracting them.
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You are now engaged in a left/right ideological war.

The right, the Tea Party, don't think the problem lies with the corporations. They think it lies with the government. Their solution is to get government completely out of the market, shrink their influence on corporations by removing regulations and then corporations won't have to influence government.

The left, OWS, don't think the problem lies with the government. They think it lies with the corporations. Their solution is to get corporation out of government completely, do this by putting in regulations and laws that prohibit corporations being able to influence government and then corporations can't influence government.


It's amazing to me when I see posts like this...like it is so simple..."Hey conservatives...don't you see...we are right...we are sleeping in a park, so we must be right". OWS is waking people up...not to the worlds problems...but to the political process. OWS doesn't quite get it yet...they are like a child at a playground and haven't full grasped the playground rules..."Why can't I climb up the slide...it's fun???".


You are never going to agree on the solution even though the core issue is the same....this is politics folks...welcome to the game.

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I don't believe in the two partied system. Truthfully; don't believe. Because the two parties we've trusted have destroyed, or come close, our way of life. All they do is complain back and forth and never fix anything.

Originally posted by Iconic
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I don't believe in the two partied system. Truthfully; don't believe. Because the two parties we've trusted have destroyed, or come close, our way of life. All they do is complain back and forth and never fix anything.

It doesn't matter if you believe in it or not...that is the system we have. You can close your eyes, you can say it doesn't exist....but it does...and it controls this country.

Are you suggesting that OWS start a third party movement?

Originally posted by Iconic
I've seen a bunch of posts around, saying how people don't support occupy because the crosshairs are pointed at wall street and banks, instead of the government.

We can all agree that the government, if ran correctly, could support the general feeling of the country, and move towards fixing our problems instead of digging in deeper.

I fear, that if we do not support occupy, and we let it slip away and lose support and diligence, then people will not support another massive pull for grand change. If we try another time in the future for different goals, we would never gain enough support to even break headlines for local news.

We need change to happen. If not, we are gambling our children's lives away with worse odds than the lottery.

If we support Occupy, we support everyone's hope for change. hope for a better tomorrow, and not world war three.

edit on 4-11-2011 by Iconic because: (no reason given)

Nope. Not buying it. I don't support OWS because I don't support many of their issues. Sorry.

When OWS comes around to my way of thinking (not likely) then we'll talk.