I need your help with two images

First, I'd like to thank Simon for setting up this opportunity to receive some much needed assistance in an apparent incidence we are researching.

These are links to the images, please do not place these pictures as in-line images within a post. While we're looking for your help, we'd like to try and keep this as "low key" as possible.





Also, please do not post these images or links on another website without first asking me or Simon.

We are desperately attempting to ascertain the following information:
a. the geographic location of this event
b. the type of military aircraft shown
c. once a and b are known, the likely base of origin of the aircraft

I apologize that these are not the best of our pictures. Some weeks ago, we received a series of seven digital photos, some very good, others not. Due to a tragic episode with some type of virus, our server space at the university was damaged, and these two files were recovered from the browser's temporary files of a colleague's computer. While these two images, on their own are interesting, the complete series was stunning and we're desperately attempting to locate the originator as well.



Note: I convinced DrJim that since we're in RATS, we can directly post the pictures as in-line images in this thread.

[Edit on 1-9-2004 by SkepticOverlord]

Interesting pictures.. at first glance i thought the lights were photo spots.. but then i realized what they were..

I'll poke around and see if I can figure out where this is..

Well you've posted the pics now. They are out on the world wide web. You should have put this in RATS.
Anyway. I don't know what that is. It's very strange.

Very interesting pics! The area looks like the mountains in WV that I drive thru every now and then. The aircraft, I have no idea.

DrJim intended this to get moved into RATS. He needed to make a post first, to get into the points system (Simon never did give him the points he promised, he has them now). Uh... the Skeptic witholds judgement for now.

Looking at the landscape and comparing them with several pictures of the Phoenix area, you make the judgement..

www.jasonandjaime.com...

The scattered green growth on the mountains and the bare spots sorta match..

If not specifically from phoenix, its from that region.. a good place to start the search
Edit:

I did some more poking around in the phoenix area, and the Coronado Trail mountains hold a very high resemblance to the terrain posted above:

users3.ev1.net...

(scroll down some to see the mountain pics)

[edit on 1-9-2004 by rwsdakota]

[edit on 1-9-2004 by rwsdakota]

Hi DrJim and welcome to this site nice pictures to bad they are ruined by the annoying lights on them, for qualifications I am a Danish soldier and a scout in the royal dragoons, so I have some training in identifying aircrafts among other things.

First when I saw the pictures my gut told me f-18 hornet but I am having problems with the poor quality of the picture, I can�t see if there is one or two tail wings.

If two! I would say f-18 hornet:



But then again the nose doesn�t look like a hornet from that angle so it could be an f16 falcon or an f22 raptor, I would say it is an American made aircraft.

www.flygplan.info...

Remember that the f22 raptor comes with equipment under it's wings, so just because most pictures don�t have it, it's because these pictures are from shows or exercises.

But I am not overruling this last one mig33



But I put my money on the hornet 70% and falcon 29% raptor 1%.

Sorry I couldn�t be of more assistance.

Baron Bilbo Baggins
Bilbo's Empire of the Neutral Zone

EDIT: Removed 2nd pic (to big) and added url and some minor typo's

[edit on 1-9-2004 by NeonHelmet]

from an artist point of veiw the pictures do not look real to me. The pictures look like they have been photoshoped and has a background, middle ground foreground. Look at the sky, then the mountain at the back with the sun spots, mainly the area to the left where it shines it's too bright. And then the foreground looks like its just been placed on to finish it off.

To me it looks totally out of perspective on the second shot the most of all. Those orbs on the second photo look as if they are 5ft in front of his camera lens and only a few feet off the gound.

Not to be awkard but I think this could be a hoax this is just my thoughts

As for where it is it could be anywhere. I agree it looks like it could be arizona or it also looks like some places in california. I have no idea what type of plane it is, but the lights unfortunately (to me anyway) look phtoshopped.

I also don't know if the military would only send one plane up to pursue a UFO also if they would authorize opening fire on a ball of light.

That's the problem with digital photos, no negatives.

I urge all serious UFO hunters to stick with old fashioned film when it comes to snapping UFO photos.

My gut tells me it's fake, but my gut also told me to order the chili size at lunch.

SPiderj

I appreciate your input. However, we're currently not trying to debate the potential authenticity of the images, just the location and aircraft seen. We have analyzed the entire series and have our own set of conclusions, that is, with exception to the outstanding issues mentioned.

Thank you.

Dr Jim, if you have any photos of the plane without the "lights" maybe you can post them in the military weapons section I'm sure you'd get a lot of help there.

Spiderj

Well standard procedure would be to dispatch two aircrafts, but if it where acting as an escort one would suffice.
Also the red rock in the picture would suggest clay or iron in the earth so perhaps that helps!

Bilbo

2nd pic.- It doesn't look American in origin. I don't know enough about aircraft, by name, but if I saw a pic of one I think I could pick it out.

Did a Google image search, looks Chinese.

[edit on 1-9-2004 by intrepid]

To me the jet seems to have only one tail like an f-16.

Its difficult for me to make out much of the details because my monitor is screwed (won't display any red tone at all). Time to get a new one methinks.

From what I can see, I am reminded of the Highlands of Scotland, in particular the area around Glen Etive. If true, then the aircraft could well be a Tornado.

Pictures were taken from a moving vehicle, with the window up, the "light" is a flash artifact. The picture has a "scanned" appearance to it, like it was a film print digitized, the lack of "depth" gives me that impression. The background is Southwest U.S. P-J (Pinon-Juniper) most likely New Mexico, Arizona, Southern California, possibly Utah. Aircraft appears to have only one vertical stabilizer (tail fin) and multiple wing pylons (prominent). Guesses include F-4 Phantom II, A-4 Skyhawk (if the photo is vintage). Tornado, Harrier (nose isn't right), F-16 Falcon (to graceful to be this sled). Obviously the U.K. aircraft are a stretch for the Southwest U.S. but not impossible. The images do appear to be Photoshopped.

As the images are without bona fides, nor is there any attempt by the poster to provide background, I give my analysis the same level of credibility... none.

Picture Monkeys, not just for "Curious George" books anymore...

Were these pictures taken at the same time? I mean was one taken one second than enlarged, or were they two different pictures?

The Chinese do have a lot of red dirt in their country so perhaps it�s a mig!

Still it seems to fat to be a mig (they are known for their slim lines) but perhaps it could be better if we did an exclusion process?

From what I can see, I am reminded of the Highlands of Scotland, in particular the area around Glen Etive. If true, then the aircraft could well be a Tornado.

Way to go didn�t think of that one, I thought American and then f18 hornet but now that you say it I totally agree it�s a tornado or a falcon

Bilbo

EDIT: is it me or do i see two tail wings?






[edit on 1-9-2004 by NeonHelmet]

Perhaps I am forever the skeptic, but this reminds me of the rings game. Is this a play at crying wolf to cry wolf or crying wolf to pretend that you are crying wolf? No offence intended DrJim. It is just the way that I am.

the landscape looks very UTAH to me.............4 corners area for sure...Utah/Colorado/Arizona/Newmexico....area 51 landscape most definately.........Green River Utah area as well......Dulce NM....these areas LOOK JUST LIKE THIS PIC.....could be anyone of these places...

Amazing pics for sure!


[edit on 1-9-2004 by theRiverGoddess]