UK and U.S. 'draw up joint plan to attack Iran': Evidence of nuclear programme raises tension in M

Originally posted by CitizenNum287119327

Originally posted by Awen24
... you still have a state with religious nutjobs at the helm, who have threatened repeatedly to exterminate another sovereign state...
and are the single greatest state sponsor of terrorism on the planet.

Surely that makes them ripe for the picking?

I'm no warmonger, and I wouldn't support a war in Iran, but if those credentials don't work, what would?

Your exact words can describe the US Government as well.
And Israel to boot.
The UK? Their govt are just nutjobs with no specific religious denomination.

Russia and China seem quiet???

If the US does continue the war mongering and strike Iran....
I hope like hell, China and Russia, maybe even throw Nth Korea as well, just unleash on all of them.
If not, there will be lots who will take action against the US/US/Israe, with the attack on Iran as the catalyst.
Forget holidays abroad for many nations,
and ex-pats will not be safe.

Its 2011, we need to evolve past the brute force mentality.

edit on 3-11-2011 by CitizenNum287119327 because: (no reason given)

You sir, are a fool. You should not wish to see any of this come to pass, least of all what you have stated because you will end up being one of the people that dies in this mess. You talk about nations warmongering when youre doing the same thing. You hypocrit!

Originally posted by Basel77
I seriously hope that Israel, the US and in this case the UK will get their Ass blown to the moon over this !!!
Dont get me wrong, but i am originated from Switzerland and we have the neutral stand in most scenarios,
but Iran has not done anything wrong !

i know it has been mentioned countless times already, but here once again : ISRAEL HAS NUKES and is not even signing that Nuclear treaty and they can go after one who is part of that treaty ????

Iran might not be honest about all their intensions, i give you that, but Israel is following NONE repeat NONE of the rules out there and can do what ever they want !!!

There4 i really hope they will be kicked left, right and center over this!!!!

there goes my neutrality !

I am praying that this doesn't come to pass because i don't want to see anyone die, especially for nothing. But you are a fool for hoping this does come to pass and that the U.S., U.K. and Israel get destroyed.

Neutral my ass, youre anything but neutral youre a warmonger and branded so by your own words. Your own words condemn you. There is no evidence indicating that Iran does not have nuclear missles or the capability since North Korea has been providing aid to them (and they do have nuclear missles) and Iran has ben known to harbor terrorists that are hellbent on destroying any nation that doesn't bow down to islam as they have declared "Jihad" which means they will stop at nothing until we are all dead or they are all dead and that includes using nuclear weapons that they can buy from Iran and North Korea and probably even Russia. You should pull your head out of your ass, it might be easier to think if you can breathe.

Originally posted by Basel77
I seriously hope that Israel, the US and in this case the UK will get their Ass blown to the moon over this !!!
Dont get me wrong, but i am originated from Switzerland and we have the neutral stand in most scenarios,
but Iran has not done anything wrong !

i know it has been mentioned countless times already, but here once again : ISRAEL HAS NUKES and is not even signing that Nuclear treaty and they can go after one who is part of that treaty ????

Iran might not be honest about all their intensions, i give you that, but Israel is following NONE repeat NONE of the rules out there and can do what ever they want !!!

There4 i really hope they will be kicked left, right and center over this!!!!

there goes my neutrality !

Are you in Switzerland, or are you a green card holder or are you a naturalized citizen? I don't see that you are any of the latter....or your responsse would be different. Iran has an agenda that closely aligns with Al queda...a hot desire to see "zionist" wiped off of the map. Their intention is holy war - Islam for all and sharia law to rule the world. Apparently you must be muslim.....because that to me is the only plausible reason why you make such a profound statement.

If you are a citizen, and are old enough to be drafted....you may want to pack your bags and go back to your motherland. There is a strong possibility this is going to go down. Too many indicators that ww3 is inevitable. Lastly - look at the economic situation with the Eurozone, the falling dollar and the OWS movements. The global economy is having a sort of earthquake in its self and the only way to improve such a failing system is to go to war....all out world war. Roosevelt - the great depression ring a bell?

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I read first Israel were wanting to attack then the Guardian reported UK and US Could be a co incidence but the guardian is owned by Scott Trust Limited which is owned by Rothschild (and a former boss as Citi,,i cant remember name) Also interesting is "Israeli PM orders investigation into Iran leak" www.guardian.co.uk... I guess this attack is unpopular within his own government. From wikipedia "In April 2011, the Israel State Comptroller, Micha Lindenstrauss, announced an investigation into Netanyahu's travel at the expense of private businessmen, mainly American Jews.[8]"

Can we safely substitute the word jews for bankers?

I Believe we are jumping to conclusions, we all know the US don't commence War, only humanitarian missions, we should rejoice to the fact that the US shall aid the Iranian People who are suffering,

* Concludes Sarcasm*

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Originally posted by Awen24
Ignore the assassination attempts for a minute, and let's say that Iran has no nuclear weapons, nor are they working toward the capability... you still have a state with religious nutjobs at the helm, who have threatened repeatedly to exterminate another sovereign state...
and are the single greatest state sponsor of terrorism on the planet.

I agree America and Israel are the biggest threats to this planet. Netanyahu and Obama are dangerous people. Just a shame that the UK is being dragged into this crap again.

Well isn't this news peachy.
Though if it's from the DM it could be a load of rubbish.

Iran has no Air Force.
They don't really have a Navy either.


Israel-US-UK all gang banging Iran isn't a fight.....it's like a big man grabbing a school girl to rape. Nothings going to happen but alot of screaming and suffering.

China and Russia won't step in to stop the Rape....they'd be too afraid they'd be next. They KNOW they are next.

Unless Israel disappears and that ain't going to happen. Israel could defeat China all by itself. Ain't that right China?
You're afraid of the crazy white men who don't care if nuclear war starts. And that's China and Russia's achilles heals....they fear nuclear war.

US-UK don't. They want it.

Originally posted by Pervius
China and Russia won't step in to stop the Rape....they'd be too afraid they'd be next. They KNOW they are next.

Do they? Or perhaps they willl wait for the dust to settle after the 'West' and Islam have knocked six bells out of eachother and then move in for the clean up operation?

reply to post by rom12345


I am much familiar with these threats , US and warmongers have been making to dishearten Iranian people.

To those warmongers :

We are not afraid of you.

To the fear spreaders :

Find some moral attitudes , respect those attitudes.

Peace.

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Israel could defeat China all by itself

Israel was defeated by Hezbollah and we praise Allah who helped Hezbollah.

Come on guys, everyone knows war is good for the economy (short term: bombs, bullets, supplies; long term: missiles, planes, ships). The other major plus we may get to see some new whizzbang weapons system or platform revealed like the F-117 was in the Gulf War.

The downside, a good impression of a tough on terrorist, protecting Israel from destruction and an uptick in the economy would insure O's reelection.

reply to post by Rockpuck


On the contrary, what better way for Obama to secure his re-election? He wins because he's being pro-Israel, and he appears to be taking down a government that's been painted as totalitarian and evil.

All else failing, he can just say "you don't change horses mid-stream".

Originally posted by Bramble Iceshimmer
Come on guys, everyone knows war is good for the economy (short term: bombs, bullets, supplies; long term: missiles, planes, ships). The other major plus we may get to see some new whizzbang weapons system or platform revealed like the F-117 was in the Gulf War.

The downside, a good impression of a tough on terrorist, protecting Israel from destruction and an uptick in the economy would insure O's reelection.

Don't forget interest payable! Interest on loans made by lending institutions to both manufacturers and military departments to pay for arms etc as well as postwar development loans.

In December 2006, Britain made the last post WW2 loan payments for the $4b borrowed from the USA. At 2% interest over 62 years.

reply to post by rom12345


I've made many comments about how devastating a war with Iran would be and I believe we could win a direct war (not sure about the insurgency that would follow) but you do not make a very good argument.

You appear to be assuming that one UK/US soldier is equal to 1 Iranian, same with land and air vehicles. Now Iran's armour and air maybe good technology wise for the middle east but they could not go 1 for 1 with UK/US air and armour, Their air force would probably be used very little as they would loose too many aircraft and their ground armour would be used, but would be overcome by America/Britain and Israel's armour (Israel actually have the most advanced tank in the world and it has loads of amazing new technologies.

Now my history is not that great but Iran did not totally destroy Iran in the Iran/Iraq war. Their tanks for example have not been overhauled much since then and if the Iraqi army could match them fairly evenly back then, then now with our new tank technology I would imagine that they would be in a lot of trouble.

Consider this now, with air dominance and supirior armour our troops would have extra support from the which Iranian soldiers will not have, This would mean that less soldiers for US/UKIsrl can take on a superior number of Iranian soldiers and vehicles. In fact we are used to being outnumbered anyway and this war would be much different, but you can not use number alone to compare. If the average UK/USIral soldiers kills say 2 enemy for every 1 that they kill then that makes the numbers look very different. Consider that Our alliance literally has the best trained soldeirs in the world. The standard of training for UK and Israeli soldiers is ridiculously high. The Us also train their troops very well, however their numbers are their strength as they have a huge number of elite solders for example and because of these reasons I believe that many more Iranian soldiers would die. Our air power alone would kill massive numbers.

The issue here is after the main part of the war the insurgency would be so so fierce. Iranian civilians during the war with Iraq literally cleared minefields by running into them en mass in a suicidal sacrifice to allow their soldiers safer passage. Now apply that fanaticism with some intelligence and organisation and you have a horror show for their enemy. This war would probably require brutal suppression of the general population which we know would see support at home for the war drop and this is why I believe the war is not winnable. In a military perspective I believe that we could capture the country and annihilate the army, we would loose many men, but would still have an army at the end of it. Problem is occupation of Iran would be an unwinable task.

Trust me real life wargamers who plan for crazy scenarios you wouldn't even think of already know the answer to this question and they analyse every little detail. They know better than any of us what the most likely outcome would be and I bet the strategy would mostly include ways to go to war an appease nations like Russia and China to the extent that they only supply Iran with logistical support to an extent, but so that they do not go any further.

Also look at Iraq and Afghan. We have many more allies than you seem to think. There are many soldiers fighting alongside us now, France, Denmark, Germany, Poland, Canada, Australia, Turkey,Italy, Spain. We have a huge military commitment, but these nations only have committed a small amount to Afghan and Iraq. If we had a really serious war with Iran I'm sure some of these nations would contribute more than they are at present. And look at the allies we have. They are all modern, well trained and equipped armies who have a lot of troops ready to deploy if need be.

So I'd imagine the strategy would be to keep Iranian allies from committing military might and to get our allies to make a further commitment then they previously have. But speaking army to army from a military perspective Iran can be defeated. It would be the worst years for our nations since WW2 but defeating them is still not so far fetched as you think. I am joining the British army in the coming months and if war with Iran was declared I have to admit I would definitely expect that I probably wouldn't be coming home in one piece. It would be a real awful war and it would not be civilised at all. It would be like Russias Chechnyaon a much larger scale.

Here is something you may want to take a look at.
www.dailymail.co.uk...

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And sadly, that's what the people read: trash like that. Like cattle to the slaughter, they go unwittingly, almost willingly. Dumbed down by the msm and happy there.

I think this is a good time to remember David Kelly.

Let's not fall for the same crap again.

It should be no big surprise that our Government has not gotten over the IRAN conflict of years ago.
Just to hear the word IRAN perks up the ear of the most "neutral" of Americans at any time of the day.

It's all going to come down to America VS Iran in the end.

Just get ready for it.
Ain't nothing we can do about it #@&$!