You must be blind not to see them

reply to post by ElevenFlint


I actually agree with you. Although I have never seen a UFO myself, I believe in them and Aliens as well. I've seen plenty of evidence. I remember my Grandmother telling me this interesting story that not many of you know about probably. This one Russian Cosmonaut, Georgy Grechko, admitted UFOs are visiting Earth and that even he and his crew have seen one while on a mission. I didn't really ask her anything about the mission itself, or what the UFO looked like, but she told me they were looking through portholes and saw beings with large heads and large eyes. They were just looking at them which scared Grechko and his men.

Originally posted by acmpnsfal
I am not sure what to believe about UFOs I have never seen one, and probably wont thanks to light pollution, but I have also never seen a convincing video. Most of these videos are just ordinairy things that people misidientify as UFOs. The only reason I think its a possibility is because of the battle of la story.

 

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And even the Battle of LA was a lie. At least when it comes to the ufologist version of the story. It has been established that the ONLY "proof" of alien craft was ONE picture that showed converging lights forming what COULD be seen as an alien craft. "COULD" - if you really stretch your imagination. And some do.

The only other stories are from people claiming that "it defies the laws of physics". Said in a loud voice as if they know all the laws of physics.
Or that it was "no craft from earth." As if they know all about every craft on earth.

The big hoax is that every time we advance one step closer to exposing the hoaxes the ufologists change their theories (read: guesswork").
We have proven that life on Mars cannot be very advanced if any is there at all. Thenthey live in underground cities.
We proved that there is no life on the moon. Now we don't talk about that anymore.
The Hollow Earth Society ran out of steam.
The Flat Earth believers are wrong.

The supposed alien craft now comes from another dimension. With absolutely no explanation as to how that would even be concieveable. It would be the same as saying that I (in my 3D representaion) will change into a 2D self and visit people on a movie screen.

The future will show that interdimensional travel is a load of bullocks. And I know that because I'm from the future and I have destroyed the one man that would have made firther time travel possible. I'm stuck, but it doesn't matter. Tomorrows lotto-numbers will be 7-16-4-23-35-8-1.

Originally posted by thebelieverufo
Exactly! i always see them! its not that hard, i have noticed that the people who dont generally believe in them, they havent ever seen one, for example, even before i saw one for the first time, i believed, and eventually saw one, people who dont believe in them, will probably never see one.

We have a saying:

"Believing is seeing."

That's all there is to it. Untill I see one in full daylight at close range. Then I - as a former believer - will start believing again.

And the reason I'm a "former believer" is that I have followed this subject for many years. The ufologists I payed heed to when I was young had absolutely no qualms about changing their story every time they were proven wrong. And they change for one reason only. A new book. More money. Well that's two reasons.

The new ufologists are no different.

reply to post by ElevenFlint


My friend and I seen the dancing stars...I'm a sky watcher. Then they slowly disappeared. There were 3-4 of them..this happened about 3 years ago. Now, I always watch the sky. Something to ponder...we may never know the real truth.

Originally posted by drivebricker
I always wanted to see a UFO, then I actually saw one. It scared the sh*t out of me. It wasnt cool like I thought it would be. It was quite startling.

Care to share your UFO experience with us on ATS?


Thanks,

Erno86

reply to post by ElevenFlint


Your claim about seeing numerous UFO's, sounds like ET is getting ready for some town meeting or something to that nature.

I consider myself lucky in seeing just one or two other-wordly craft, one night back in 1976.

Maybe.... I don't search the skys long enough to see "UFO's" like you have; but may I suggest that you should avoid the sky is falling syndrome. If you are a practitioner of that art - People will not believe you when you claim to have seen an other-worldly craft ; otherwise, I apologize for making you sound like you are insincere on your "UFO" sighting's.

Originally posted by roswell1987
So in principle your see what you want to see? That may be very well true, but by following this argument, simply looking into the sky isn´t a very good method to answer the Question if there really are UFOs. If not seeing them is because one doesnt want to see, its as plausible to say people who see UFOs only do so because they want, and not because they are really there.

No. You're getting it wrong. How does the fact that you misinterpret a plane as an UFO because of your strong belief in it means that UFOs don't really exist? It's just a wrong interpretation. There is a thing called open-mindedness and another thing called obsession. Don't confuse one with the other. Open mindedness means that if you really see an UFO the chances to interpret it right are significantly stronger than if you don't believe in UFO's, where the chances to interpret it wrong (as a plane, lantern, satellite) are almost 100%. For example, centuries ago people believed the Earth is flat. Was it really flat because they believed it? No. But if they reached a far away place with very high waterfalls or rocks they would interpret it wrong as the end of the world and they will see in it a proof of the "fact" that the world is flat and has an end.

Remember that you don't see with your eyes, but with your mind. Your eyes are only sending signals of information to the brain, which on its side interprets those signals. So what you see is in fact what your mind is telling you is there, not what really is there. That doesn't mean things you know of or believe in do not exist, it means there is a high probability of things that you don't know of or believe in to exist and the chance to misinterpret them is also high. Unless you keep your mind open for this probability.

Originally posted by ElevenFlint
UFO's are all over the place.

I experienced the most massive sighting four days ago, on 28th October - dozens of UFO's were all over the sky of London. Now I am in my hometown - Sofia, Bulgaria, and I am witnessing the same thing at this very moment!

I've seen such "dancing stars" forming triangles before, but now it's becoming an everyday thing and they are all over the sky. Everybody can see them. Just look up and start watching the sky. You will notice these lights resembling stars with only difference they are slightly moving in different directions and usually forming triangles. Some of them are moving from one triangle to other.

At this moment over Sofia there are many of these lights, but one of them is very bright and you can see it distinctively moving. I suppose you can see such objects over other countries at the moment. I found videos of exactly the same objects I saw over London of the same night from other parts of the UK and also from Mexico. I will come back later to post them. Now I am going back to watching the sky.

Keep your eyes on the skies and you won't miss them.

edit on 2-11-2011 by ElevenFlint because: typo

....do you own a camera? How about some pictures..... If you get 11 stars by just making a statement imagine how many you'd get if you had some pictures.....

Originally posted by Erno86
reply to post by ElevenFlint

 

Your claim about seeing numerous UFO's, sounds like ET is getting ready for some town meeting or something to that nature.

I consider myself lucky in seeing just one or two other-wordly craft, one night back in 1976.

Maybe.... I don't search the skys long enough to see "UFO's" like you have; but may I suggest that you should avoid the sky is falling syndrome. If you are a practitioner of that art - People will not believe you when you claim to have seen an other-worldly craft ; otherwise, I apologize for making you sound like you are insincere on your "UFO" sighting's.

I never said anything about ET's. ETs mean "Extra Terrestrials" and I am speaking of UFOs - Unidentified Flying Objects. They may be from earthly origin, other-worldly origin or whatever origin you think of. Make the difference. Neither do I claim that "the sky is falling". You are assuming that by yourself. That's called "making the wrong associations". I see no point in being insincere about anything.

Originally posted by ElevenFlint

Originally posted by roswell1987
So what you see is in fact what your mind is telling you is there, not what really is there.

Thats exactly my point. And i´m not really convinced by your explanation why this should only work in one direction (i dont want to see UFOs) and not in the other (i want to see UFOs). Calling yourself open minded is just a label, when your mind makes up your perspective you cant tell if you are really open minded (Edit: remember:its the witnesses themselves that tell us they´re open minded). Also take this in account: telling other people that you believe you saw an UFO will get you labeled as "a little bit strange" regarding most audiences. So even if there would be people that are just open minded and because of this able to see UFOs, they most likely wouldnt tell anyone. In my opinion, getting so muchout of your shell that you risk your reputation telling this kind of stuff needs more than open mindedness, it needs belief.

reply to post by eNaR


I see you haven't read the thread. I said I own a camera, but its no good for capturing objects in the dark sky. What's more - it's not about the objects' shape (they are not bigger than stars, maybe some of them but slightly), it's about their movement and also most of them are even hardly seen with naked eye. I would need a professional equipment to capture any video worth watching and even if I do - it won't mean a thing to those who do not want to accept the possibility of these things to be really unidentified. There are many videos of UFOs, still many people do not accept the possibility there may be objects that are not officially known to the public. Haters gonna hate.

As I said many times - if you need proof - go outside, move your head up and open your eyes. Unless you're blind or strongly want to remain a skeptic.

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My hypothesis.. on the one or two UFO's that I witnessed that night back in 1976:

The UFO/UFO's were extraterrestrial in orgin, and that they were piloted by an intelligence that was robotic or guided by an actual living entity.

reply to post by roswell1987


It's pointless. You don't read me. I am not going to repeat myself. You have your assumptions and you're reacting upon them. Yes, you're right its more likely not to tell anyone so you avoid the ridiculous attitude of most people. But I don't have a reputation to protect and I fear nothing. I know what I know and I do not need to make people believe me. And believe me or not - I am one of the most open-minded people you have ever met.

Originally posted by ElevenFlint
reply to post by roswell1987

 

It's pointless. You don't read me. I am not going to repeat myself. You have your assumptions and you're reacting upon them. Yes, you're right its more likely not to tell anyone so you avoid the ridiculous attitude of most people. But I don't have a reputation to protect and I fear nothing. I know what I know and I do not need to make people believe me. And believe me or not - I am one of the most open-minded people you have ever met.

I would call myself pretty open minded as well. I live in a rural area and so it happens quite often that i look into the sky on clear winter evenings, for example when i come back from work and its already dark. And i never saw something strange. Not in a single event. In principle i wouldn´t have a problem with seeing UFOs, maybe deep in my mind i even want to see one, but it doesnt happen. So how do you explain this? Your key argument is that i dont see them because i dont want to, but there is no reason for me to fear such a sight. You´re right that this does not disprove the sightings, that others had, maybe i was just unlucky or live in a UFO-free zone. But it does weaken the argument, that UFOs are so plain obvious and omnipresent that you have to walk through the day with both eyes closed and sealed tight to not see them.

reply to post by ElevenFlint


One of the Foofighter's that I saw back in 1976, was a fiery red-orange fusion plasma orb, about 1 mile away, with an approximate diameter of 1,000 feet!!!

Originally posted by roswell1987

Originally posted by ElevenFlint
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It's pointless. You don't read me. I am not going to repeat myself. You have your assumptions and you're reacting upon them. Yes, you're right its more likely not to tell anyone so you avoid the ridiculous attitude of most people. But I don't have a reputation to protect and I fear nothing. I know what I know and I do not need to make people believe me. And believe me or not - I am one of the most open-minded people you have ever met.

I would call myself pretty open minded as well. I live in a rural area and so it happens quite often that i look into the sky on clear winter evenings, for example when i come back from work and its already dark. And i never saw something strange. Not in a single event. In principle i wouldn´t have a problem with seeing UFOs, maybe deep in my mind i even want to see one, but it doesnt happen. So how do you explain this? Your key argument is that i dont see them because i dont want to, but there is no reason for me to fear such a sight. You´re right that this does not disprove the sightings, that others had, maybe i was just unlucky or live in a UFO-free zone. But it does weaken the argument, that UFOs are so plain obvious and omnipresent that you have to walk through the day with both eyes closed and sealed tight to not see them.

edit on 3-11-2011 by roswell1987 because: (no reason given)

I am sorry if I seemed to underestimate your open-mindedness in any way, I never had such intention. I don't claim I know the reason you don't see UFO's. Why people tend to take everything so personally? I myself saw an UFO for the first time two years ago, before that I thought there must be something wrong - how was it possible so many people to see and I, who tend to believe there are such things - not. But when I saw a strange thing one night I realized that I have never explored the sky truly. Just to make some glimpses once and awhile is not enough. If you expect to see something so spectacular and movie-like - its also unlikely to happen. But if you start watching the sky regularly and hours long you will see that not all the lights that you see there are stars. There is nothing special about them - at first glimpse they seem exactly like stars - a dot of light, but then you notice that its moving. The movement resembles the one of that insects (I don't know their name) that are sliding on the surface of the water of a river or a lake. They slide in one direction, stop, slide to another and make circles. Or they slide only in one direction, again stopping at times and with inconsistent speed. But I have spent months of whole nights exploring the sky, because I've slept outside, under the summer sky. So I know very well what a star is, what Venus and Saturn are, what a plane is and what a satellite is. There, we have put on Chinese lanterns many times and let them fly, so I know them very well too. Nothing known to regular human can move like these lights do. I've never seen disks or any particular form, just dots of light, but their movement and the formations they do is enough to make me think. And now when I look at the sky I can recognize if there are any of them right away. Many of my friends have seen them too. But you really have to spend whole nights watching the sky to get used to all the objects out there so you can differentiate them. It's the same as for example all Africans look to an average European person kinda the same, but someone who is well aware of the subject knows how different the people from different tribes are.

Everything that could prove me wrong is welcome. But is there actually anything to prove wrong? To prove wrong that things that we are not told of exist? How rediculous does this sound? I don't have any theories or hypothesis, I am sharing with you what I am seeing. And the logic says that its more probably there to be things we don't know of than not. I don't mind if you don't agree. Cheers!

Originally posted by ElevenFlint
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Try watching the sky every night and you won't miss them. I suppose they are visible from whatever place on Earth. I've seen them from London, I've seen them from all over Bulgaria and I've watched clips of the same objects from the USA and Mexico. Just open your eyes and start watching.

This thing at the moment is huge, anybody can see it - it is moving so clearly and is so bright that even shortsighted people can notice it. All the others are tiny dots, but they are also moving and for people with good sight will be very easy to notice that they are not stars.

You have to make sure you are not seeing lanterns or as common for the place - Fireworks, like the ones lights that fly in the air for some time before they burn in the sky. You have to make sure it is not shooting stars or satellites, airplanes.

I've observed the night sky many times with a telescope as I used to study Astronomy and so far all objects I see are identified: Shooting stars, satellites, airplanes, stars, don't confuse Jupiter too, it is currently high on the horizon on the East.

Since even researchers like S. Friedman have not found a UFO, it makes sense (although he may be saying so to not get discredited as being a hoaxer or believer or too amateur who cannot identify known objects)

I will take a look into it with my binoculars as I dont have a telescope atm but I'm sure I wont find anything. There have been real triangle lights like in Illinois but somehow they always come when I am not looking.

reply to post by Imtor


Mate, I am not an idiot, I know what fireworks and shooting stars are. Chinese lanterns don't create formations and disappear relatively fast, also don't have that brightness. Please read my previous post at least. I appreciate your opinion but I am afraid you are underestimating my cognitive abilities. These lights definitely move in the way I already described. I know the planets well (which as far as I know don't move) and the most visible stars at the sky as well as the most popular constellations.

reply to post by ElevenFlint


Yup, i've been seeing them all over the place in orange county california, i saw this huge one behind my neighborhood park a week ago and while i was driving to the local gas station two days ago, other than that i see them kind of just floating in space closer than airplanes, if u meditate on them moving they'll move for you. Its no lie, just get off your computer and go outside every once in awhile and im sure youll spot one, especially if you meditate on it.

reply to post by ElevenFlint


The insects that you desribe - The ones that slide on the film of water are called: Water Sliders.

The ones that whirl around underwater are called Whirligig's.

So all the moving objects, that you can't describe or identify are all UFO's?

Okay... but may I suggest that you be more discriminating on the identity of the objects that you see at night, since I am jealous; because you have seen so many UFO's, while I have seen only one or two during my lifetime.