Occupy Oakland infiltrated by police department personnel.

According to this video I found, Oakland PD has infiltrated the Occupy protestors for the purpose of inciting bloodshed, and manipulating the movement.



Do you agree with this tactic? Do you agree with the protestors forming a "police watch", over new protestors?

Do I agree with double agents lying to everyone and then creating a situation where people get hurt?

Hell no.

Who the hell would agree to that?

reply to post by Evolutionsend


There were many law enforcement infiltrations during the civil rights movement and during the protests of the Vietnam war. There likely would have been a lot less bloodshed if the people back then were wary enough to screen new protesters for the smell of pork, so to speak.
I don't support the socialist agenda that seems to be at the forefront of this movement, but I think that they are at least raising a bit of awareness as to the problems that we are all facing due to the corrupt partnership between our central government and giant corporations. That message will stop being listened to if they become violent. It is only a matter of time. Hopefully they can restrain this from taking place for a while longer, so as to bring the issues at hand to light for that much longer.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
Do I agree with double agents lying to everyone and then creating a situation where people get hurt?

Hell no.

Who the hell would agree to that?

Buddy, around here, I never know.

I think it's interesting that they not only caught this guy, but they caught him red handed and he didn't care. Could these be the "protestors" that saw to it that Scott Olson was hurt?

I'm referring to the Hispanic officer that was shown live at both times, and is obviously the same guy.

Originally posted by Evolutionsend


Buddy, around here, I never know.

Ha! You got me there.

I can't help but agree with what you just said.

Sad I know.

Originally posted by Evolutionsend

I'm referring to the Hispanic officer that was shown live at both times, and is obviously the same guy.

edit on 31-10-2011 by Evolutionsend because: (no reason given)

Yeah it's an incredibly close match that's for sure.

And considering it was in the same city, it's a high likelihood that they are indeed the same guy.

Observing in plain clothes is one thing, and doesn't bother me personally all that much. But if these plain-clothed officers start to shout into a megaphone in an attempt to incite violence, or any other form of manipulation, I am going to be pissed to say the least.

As far as the movement pushing for socialism, I don't think that is a probable outcome, although we are currently closer to socialism than most are willing to believe, at least in my opinion. Will anything good come from this movement? Who knows, but it is still better than nothing. I don't agree with those who say this is some NWO ploy to usher in martial law or anything, and I say stay on the streets, and approach these plain-clothed officers and attempt to talk to them.

Maybe they are there in support of the movement? Haha, I doubt it. I know for a fact that some of these cops are just itching to shoot someone, be it with a rubber bullet, a taser, etc...Police officers are just human, and therefore fallible, and the lack of screening during the application process is either very lacking, or some of these guys are just plain psychopaths who tell anyone and everyone exactly what they want to hear, only to do the complete opposite when it suits their false sense of reality.

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Isn't that what everyone does at job interviews nowadays?

Originally posted by Evolutionsend

Buddy, around here, I never know.

I knew that's why you asked that question in your OP. ATS was infiltrated by the hard Christian right during the last Presidential election. They have a prayer-style call/email network (this is how they got so many to vote for Bush...twice) and I bet that is how a lot of them were directed to ATS. They were turned onto this site by friends...the organized corporate right. It is not they're fault nor are they in on the plan. They were hoodwinked. Now ATS has more of a MSM/Fox news overall opinion than youtube. Just check the comments on youtube, this site has become more neo-con than even youtube.

On topic:

These cope caught red handed seem to be really enjoying themselves doing this underhanded un-American work.

May God forgive them all.

Officers that are sent in to incite violence and are caught should be prosecuted. That tired old excuse that they were just following orders doesn't cut it. They should be compelled by the court under penalty of contempt to reveal exactly what their orders were and who issued them. Whoever issued those orders should also be prosecuted and forced to reveal who was directing them.

/rant

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He didn't say directly that he was there to incite violence, that was one of my guesses. I would really like to know what the point of infiltrating Occupy is though. If not to incite violence, then why?

reply to post by Evolutionsend


Anyone participating in these movements should know one thing. They are among you. Forever and always they shall be in such matters. Infiltration of such organized events and movements is a first line of defense. Getting to know the opposition and assessing and determining any potential threats and to what extent. Agent provocateurs seem to be a tactic with some Law Enforcement agencies and I find it unethical as hell but it's not as common as some would have us believe. It happens enough that it is a concern though and not just the citizenry but also for Law Enforcement Agencies.

I'm sure I've seen in other threads people telling the police that they should be down there protesting with them because they are part of the 99% as well.

Then supposedly (which the comparisons in that video are pretty flimsy) a police officer is at the protest...and doesn't appear to be doing anything controversal...and you guys are upset about it.

Make up your mind...do you want the police to protest with you or not?

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I guess you missed the intro and the guy talking about how easy it was to do?

Originally posted by Evolutionsend
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I guess you missed the intro and the guy talking about how easy it was to do?

About the guy making comments in 2003???

What does that have to do with OWS or these two individuals?


You wouldn't by chance calling all police dirty...would you? Shouldn't you judge these people as individuals? Or are you claiming right now that no police are allowed to protest at OWS???

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The voice at the end of the tape was the cop that they caught.

Originally posted by Evolutionsend
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The voice at the end of the tape was the cop that they caught.

LOL...no it's not.

It's the same guy from the beginning of the video making comments in 2003.

So silly.

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If you say so. I think it's silly to promote the idea that Oakland (one of the worst police departments in this country) is a bunch of saints.

Originally posted by Evolutionsend
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If you say so. I think it's silly to dismiss the idea that Oakland (one of the worst police departments in this country) is a bunch of saints.

Where do you get the idea that is one of the officers they "caught" infiltrating OWS?

Why does the audio sound exactly like the audio from the beginning??


So do you want police to join the protests or not? If they do...can they expect to be looked at as "spies" and not trusted? I thought OWS was for ALL of the 99%...not just the "elite" of the 99%???

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Based on the reputation that Oakland PD has, imo they can stay out.

I wouldn't go to any kind of protest with an Oakland officer, for fear of them getting a riot started.



Would you want to protest with a police officer from a department that has a history of brutality?