Question: What information do we know from Alien Abductees' experiences?

I once remember reading a book about Alien Abductions, there were a few accounts where the aliens had talked to the abductees and told them things about themselves, such of how they space travel, where they live and their future plans etc. I've tried looking for this on the internet but can't find anything. Could someone give me some links please....

Also is RATS still around nowadays?

Well in the case of the Cartman abduction we can deduce that these particular Aliens were very good at reduction technology and hydraulics . The way that hundred foot dish expanded when exiting cart mans bung hole is nothing short of amazing and the reverse as it miniaturized folding back inside when the aliens were done sending their deep space messages and don't even get me started on that. These aliens are amazing given the fact Cartman barely gave a peep during deployment of the dish which shows the humanity of these aliens.

Originally posted by anitawee
I once remember reading a book about Alien Abductions, there were a few accounts where the aliens had talked to the abductees and told them things about themselves, such of how they space travel, where they live and their future plans etc. I've tried looking for this on the internet but can't find anything. Could someone give me some links please....

Also is RATS still around nowadays?

More nonsense. If people had been abducted why have they never been given anything to "Bring Back" to prove to the Human Race that Aliens are around? Not one shred of evidence to prove anything, just peoples imaginations running wild.

reply to post by alldaylong


There was a shard actually. A small bit of clear plastic/glass that a man had removed from his leg. Nothing alien about it though.

Originally posted by alldaylong

Originally posted by anitawee
I once remember reading a book about Alien Abductions, there were a few accounts where the aliens had talked to the abductees and told them things about themselves, such of how they space travel, where they live and their future plans etc. I've tried looking for this on the internet but can't find anything. Could someone give me some links please....

Also is RATS still around nowadays?

More nonsense. If people had been abducted why have they never been given anything to "Bring Back" to prove to the Human Race that Aliens are around? Not one shred of evidence to prove anything, just peoples imaginations running wild.

actually theres plenty of evidence, theres been tons of items with pieces built that arn't of this world, and " only humans exist in the whole universe 0_0"

Originally posted by shadowreborn89

Originally posted by alldaylong

Originally posted by anitawee
I once remember reading a book about Alien Abductions, there were a few accounts where the aliens had talked to the abductees and told them things about themselves, such of how they space travel, where they live and their future plans etc. I've tried looking for this on the internet but can't find anything. Could someone give me some links please....

Also is RATS still around nowadays?

More nonsense. If people had been abducted why have they never been given anything to "Bring Back" to prove to the Human Race that Aliens are around? Not one shred of evidence to prove anything, just peoples imaginations running wild.

actually theres plenty of evidence, theres been tons of items with pieces built that arn't of this world, and " only humans exist in the whole universe 0_0"

I am not arogant enough to believe Humans are the "Only Game In Town" The law of averages says there must be life out there, it's just never been to Planet Earth. As for these items that are "Not From This World"......who says there not? Stephen Greer maybe

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What do we know about alien abductions?

1. People claim to be abducted by aliens.
2. People claiming abduction experiences also claim ongoing experiences.
3. 'Researchers' are either too stupid, or incapable of vetting people claiming abduction, and using them as bait, since, eventually, supposedly, aliens are going to come back 'round to re-abduct some choice abductees for ongoing experimentation.

4. Concentrating efforts on using abductees as bait, is poorly explored at best.

I've not had the reply that I'm looking for yet............please don't swamp this thread with opinions.

This is a very interesting subject...here is an overview:

* The thing about this is that "the aliens" usually tell the contactees/abductees non-scientific nonsense or lies.

Even for simply questions like "where are you coming from?" etc. rather idiotic answers are given...examples..."we are from many thousand lightMILES(!) away...." or "we are coming from such a distant place/future that it's pointless to tell you since you would not understand" or "we are coming from Orion/Andromeda" and so forth and so forth.

UFO literature is full with such accounts where "Aliens" give idiotic messages..you can do me favor and examine a bunch of the Abduction stories and will certainly find out yourselves.

On a related side-note, whatever the Aliens tell the contactees/abductees...often does NOT exceed the "intelligence" of the abductees themselves. In other words: If the abductee is rather dumb and has not really a clue about science, astronomy etc...the messages given to the humans are on the some level as the abductee.

The aliens RARELY give astonishing, new insights....usually, their messages are judgemental if not TRIVIAL..presenting themselves as superior in any sense and just pointing out all the imperfections of humans and where they "need" to better themselves...like we don't know that ourselves. In other words: If an Alien gives a "new age" message its on the same level as your random fringe new-age site, just repeating stereotyped words like "dimension", "vibration" etc....in other words: Aliens == DUMB

Another interesting bit i i want to point out:

I actually would expect Aliens to tell about their every day life..which i am sure THEY HAVE. However, hardly do they talk about such things...if they give "important messages" its all "far out" new-age stuff (usually judgemental!).....but never other interesting things, like how they live on their planet etc....or anything coherent in regards to their tech/origin etc..

Originally posted by flexy123
This is a very interesting subject...here is an overview:

* The thing about this is that "the aliens" usually tell the contactees/abductees non-scientific nonsense or lies.

Even for simply questions like "where are you coming from?" etc. rather idiotic answers are given...examples..."we are from many thousand lightMILES(!) away...." or "we are coming from such a distant place/future that it's pointless to tell you since you would not understand" or "we are coming from Orion/Andromeda" and so forth and so forth.

UFO literature is full with such accounts where "Aliens" give idiotic messages..you can do me favor and examine a bunch of the Abduction stories and will certainly find out yourselves.

On a related side-note, whatever the Aliens tell the contactees/abductees...often does NOT exceed the "intelligence" of the abductees themselves. In other words: If the abductee is rather dumb and has not really a clue about science, astronomy etc...the messages given to the humans are on the some level as the abductee.

The aliens RARELY give astonishing, new insights....usually, their messages are judgemental if not TRIVIAL..presenting themselves as superior in any sense and just pointing out all the imperfections of humans and where they "need" to better themselves...like we don't know that ourselves. In other words: If an Alien gives a "new age" message its on the same level as your random fringe new-age site, just repeating stereotyped words like "dimension", "vibration" etc....in other words: Aliens == DUMB

Another interesting bit i i want to point out:

I actually would expect Aliens to tell about their every day life..which i am sure THEY HAVE. However, hardly do they talk about such things...if they give "important messages" its all "far out" new-age stuff (usually judgemental!).....but never other interesting things, like how they live on their planet etc....or anything coherent in regards to their tech/origin etc..

edit on 30-10-2011 by flexy123 because: (no reason given)

The message i am waiting for is................."Take Me To Your Leader"

reply to post by anitawee
Hiya, Stuart Appelle published a paper that takes a fair shot at the abduction subject. He took a look at all the angles and didn't come to any conclusions other than it justified further investigation and wasn't as simple as some might think. You can read his paper here.

It may be argued that any single explanation of the abduction experience will necessarily be inadequate because the phenomenon is multicausal, and that the abduction experience as a whole can be explained only by considering all the prosaic explanations in their entirety. For example, if (as the data suggest) at least some abduction reports are hoaxes, and at least some the result of pathology, fantasy, sleep anomalies, etc., perhaps in total this can constitute a complete explanation (in statistical terms, can account for all of the variance in the data). However, the data (at least as currently available) suggest that each explanation can account for only a small proportion of all cases, and that even in the aggregate they fall short as a complete explanation.

Originally posted by alldaylong

Originally posted by anitawee
I once remember reading a book about Alien Abductions, there were a few accounts where the aliens had talked to the abductees and told them things about themselves, such of how they space travel, where they live and their future plans etc. I've tried looking for this on the internet but can't find anything. Could someone give me some links please....

Also is RATS still around nowadays?

More nonsense. If people had been abducted why have they never been given anything to "Bring Back" to prove to the Human Race that Aliens are around? Not one shred of evidence to prove anything, just peoples imaginations running wild.

Or maybe because the 'aliens' prefer to remain secretive about their agenda here? Obviously they're not completely succesful, it seems that some abductees can recall some memories, often with the aid of hypnosis treatment.

But, nevertheless, if you ask me they seems to be extremelly succesful, I mean, who is really taking seriously to the abductees?

The danger, of course, would be to bundle all 'alien contact' as benevolent.

The danger, of course, would be to bundle all 'alien OOBE' experiences as if they had actually happened (I'm sure hypnotic subjects are quite convinced that they are chickens!).

The danger, of course, would be to throw a blanket of good intent over the contactee experiences.

Reported contacts show a variety of...information offered, experiences etc.
All, reportedly, happen within some sort of 'twilight zone' of consciousness...where time is lost, or appears to contract or expand...some reports have the physical body being relocated (with the mandatory lost time etc.).

Interestingly, the same can be said about UFO sightings/photographs and filmic evidence.

It appears as if, 'aliens', and thier associated vehicles and accoutrements exist, outside, of a purely physical matrix.
One reason why no artifacts (of any note) have been garnered for examination.

If a population of beings (such as us - in the future) had acquired the ability to dispense with a physical body, but retained the technology to materialise in a locum, at will...what would we do to beings who had not acquired this ability - assuming, that this would be a 'step down' into materiality? Would all of us be so...benevolent?

Akushla

Originally posted by Kandinsky
reply to post by anitawee

 

Hiya, Stuart Appelle published a paper that takes a fair shot at the abduction subject. He took a look at all the angles and didn't come to any conclusions other than it justified further investigation and wasn't as simple as some might think. You can read his paper here.

Good post.

I know I'm probably wasting my time typing this but I wish more of you guys out there would read some of this type of material. I see so many blind assertions on ATS where the poster has clearly not looked at most of the important evidence.

Perhaps it is more important to examine the mechanics of an abduction rather than the messages. We still don't know they represent aliens or something else. And with testimony, we need to differentiate between hypnotically retrieved "memories" and consciously recalled memories. For too long we've been lumping everything into one pile to form a coherent story. But it's a pile of....

So how do we go about examining the mechanics? Well, for one, we could ask what other purpose fear serves than what we typically think. (We typically think it is a psychological response or a gut reaction to something harmful or that these beings are inducing it for their own purposes. Are those shortsighted or do they answer it?)

Maybe we need to tweak other questions. Like, instead of asking how they are getting from point A to Point B in the universe (or multiverse), which is a wild assumption in the first place, why not keep it more general. "How is this happening?"

I think if we focused more on the how, the what might come into sharper focus.

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to explain aliens were asked by the USA goverment to abduct a few people, and return them safely under a treaty that USA signed with grey aliens. The grey aliens agreed...

This was mostly to get goverments to believe aliens existed and were present on this planet, in the hope that governments would believe that UFO's were flown by aliens...

many man hours wasted by many governments as a result but still

'anything the abductees were told was mostly nonsense, none the less its another smoke screen that many people struggle to see through'

Ulitimately the USA benefits from the situation though..

Originally posted by piles
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to explain aliens were asked by the USA goverment to abduct a few people, and return them safely under a treaty that USA signed with grey aliens. The grey aliens agreed...

This was mostly to get goverments to believe aliens existed and were present on this planet, in the hope that governments would believe that UFO's were flown by aliens...

many man hours wasted by many governments as a result but still

'anything the abductees were told was mostly nonsense, none the less its another smoke screen that many people struggle to see through'

Ulitimately the USA benefits from the situation though..

That's fascinating. Where's your evidence?

This is like getting blood from a stone.... I'll just repeat the post

I once remember reading a book about Alien Abductions, there were a few accounts where the aliens had talked to the abductees and told them things about themselves, such of how they space travel, where they live and their future plans etc. I've tried looking for this on the internet but can't find anything. Could someone give me some links please....

Also is RATS still around nowadays?

For example the Betty and Barney Hill abduction where the alien showed her a map of where they came from...

Dr Karla Turner is on Youtube and there is a free PDF file of her two books on abductees. 'Taken' is one of them.

Blueplanet project is also a free PDF that is very interesting on aliens and their plans.

What is RATS? as I have had a dream about a dead rat being fed to pigs in a posh pigsty and this may be an answer. I know the pigs are the Portugal, Ireland, Greece and Spain countries.

Hope you find your answer.

Thank God if you don't get abducted, as it means you don't have enough '___' for their needs.

The Betty and Barney Hill case has been disproved by Carl Sagan years ago. There are also countless threads on ATS about Betty and Barney Hill.

I agree alien abductions are an anomaly mostly due to a combination of your state of mind and surroundings making you see and feel certain things. I think the Grey is an anomalous result of patterns in your head. A teardrop head, no ears, two big eyes, tiny nose and a slit for a mouth...