It's 1am here tonight in the bay area and I just got back home from Occupy Oakland

Originally posted by NightGypsy
reply to post by NightGypsy

 

OP, thanks for sharing your experience in the forum. Surely this up-close-and-personal account of a day's activities at an Occupy protest will cause our resident anti-OWS shills to get their panties all in a bunch up inside their buttcracks. They won't tolerate any ideas that there might be something more going on at these protests other than "hippies" and "commies" using the "good taxpaying, hardworking citizens'" front porches for toilets just before they go smoke some dank and giggle at each other over conversations about boobies and beer while they wait for the bankers to come outside and hand them over some free money.

edit on 30-10-2011 by NightGypsy because: (no reason given)

Actually, I'd rather it sounded like that, than sounding like Animal Farm.
/shill

reply to post by QuantumPhysicist


Interesting! It sounds just like classic cult recruitment! Lessee......That means forty or fifty people can completely control many hundred and have them think it is their own idea...check! Cialdini must be tickled pink that his teachings are being used to so easily separate the truly useful people of good heart, from the much less easily controlled anarchists and troublemakers.

I gotta admit it's a nice touch to call it something that just about guarantees that anyone with an ounce of testosterone would voluntarily decline to participate in. Just out of curiosity....was there any actual relationship to"kittens" in this "action"? Or is that just a feel-good non-sequitur?

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Actually, I'd rather it sounded like that, than sounding like Animal Farm. /shill

That's because you are NOT a shill. Only a true shill would prefer Animal Farm....

Originally posted by randomname
so you just walked up to a guy in a tent, who xeroxed a few flyers and put up some banners and gave him money.

no wonder the 1% is burning $1000 bills to keep the dogs fireplace going. i'm sure he's literally laughing to the bank.

i wish i was at any occupy anything. a desk, a banner and a glass jar and i'll make $2000 a day.

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The Elites: "Yessssssssss..... Plant the sssssssseedsssssss of disssssstrussssssst! Hissssssss........ Yesssssss........ Let the Hate flow through you........ Hissssssss...... Thankssssssss for doing our work for ussssssss......... You will be due-ly rewarded........ I promisssssssse....... Hisssssssss........"

reply to post by mobiusmale

Enjoy yourself...but don't kid yourself. This is going to end as fast as it began.

Surely I don't have to point out the ignorance of that statement considering this protest has entered it's second month and has spread from one American city across the globe since then. But, hey, I guess if you think most people are too dense to realize this glaring fact, then...by all means.....don't let me prevent you from making yourself look like a fool......light that keyboard up with your fingers spewing nonsense.....it's (kind of) still a free country.

I'd rather trust someone and be wrong about it, than live in a world where noone trusts anyone... Clutching their precious money.

Originally posted by MissSmartypants
The whole OWS movement has made me think about exactly what kind of change I'm looking for and all in all I guess it comes down to this.... Americans need to be paid living wages.

That should apply to ALL beings on this planet.

Every human being, is entitled to minimum allowance, to support life ... employed, or unemployed. It's a human right.

That I agree to.

And some things, must be in common ownership ... like roads, pipes, drainage, etc., In Iceland, they gave government companies to privateurs. Payed by the people, then owned by individuals ... this needs to be clearly demonstrated, what is public and what is private.

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Well to be specific, the march on tuesday was to rally against the violence used earlier that day to kick out occupy oakland from the plaza. Plus it was also against the fact that they were kicked out in the first place.
In response to that march, the mayor of oakland posted an apology letter stating how she was sorry for the violence used and how she would support our upcoming marches and would also allow occupy oakland back into the plaza. Because of her response, I feel that the march was a success.

Yesterday's march was in response to scott olson and police brutality in general. Oakland has a big history of police brutality cases, so a lot of the community showed up. As said by the mayor, for the most part the march was absent of a big police force. Of course there was some, but nothing like before.

If you would like to know about my cause specifically...
I personally have not been affected by the economy too much, but I know people all around me whom have. For example, my own parents and friends. I would not like to go into details about their current situation, and I'm sure you can respect that, but I feel their pain. I also feel the pain of all the people around me at the camps. I can tell they are fighting for things they 100% truly believe in. I am not necessarily at the marches to spread my own word, but more to just support the group as a whole. Even though I haven't been hit as hard as other people, I know that there are definitely things in this country that need to change. I am not doing this for myself, but for everyone, because I support what they are fighting for

Thanks for the report from the ground / grassroots. Its good to hear all about what is really going on as the mainstream media are taking a very superficial and sometimes hostile attitude towards OWS.

Its a pity that some at ATS appear to agree with the media and spend more time attacking OWS than thinking about the bigger, more important issues that are being raised.

Interesting! It sounds just like classic cult recruitment! Lessee......That means forty or fifty people can completely control many hundred and have them think it is their own idea...check! Cialdini must be tickled pink that his teachings are being used to so easily separate the truly useful people of good heart, from the much less easily controlled anarchists and troublemakers. I gotta admit it's a nice touch to call it something that just about guarantees that anyone with an ounce of testosterone would voluntarily decline to participate in. Just out of curiosity....was there any actual relationship to"kittens" in this "action"? Or is that just a feel-good non-sequitur?

Might I just suggest that less attempts at being clever and more focus on trying to relay your point would make this post of yours more worth the read.

Originally posted by NightGypsy

Interesting! It sounds just like classic cult recruitment! Lessee......That means forty or fifty people can completely control many hundred and have them think it is their own idea...check! Cialdini must be tickled pink that his teachings are being used to so easily separate the truly useful people of good heart, from the much less easily controlled anarchists and troublemakers. I gotta admit it's a nice touch to call it something that just about guarantees that anyone with an ounce of testosterone would voluntarily decline to participate in. Just out of curiosity....was there any actual relationship to"kittens" in this "action"? Or is that just a feel-good non-sequitur?

Might I just suggest that less attempts at being clever and more focus on trying to relay your point would make this post of yours more worth the read.

Sure! Suggest away!

Maybe someone with an actual curious mind will look up Robert Cialdini, and discover that my reply had very little tongue surrounded by the cheek. Hint: I wasn't showing my finger to anyone.

Stay well.

It's nice to read something about the Occupy protests that doesn't label them as "hippies, drug addicts, or freeloaders." I've had just about enough of ignorant people.

Originally posted by QuantumPhysicist
reply to post by MrWendal

 

Well to be specific, the march on tuesday was to rally against the violence used earlier that day to kick out occupy oakland from the plaza. Plus it was also against the fact that they were kicked out in the first place.
In response to that march, the mayor of oakland posted an apology letter stating how she was sorry for the violence used and how she would support our upcoming marches and would also allow occupy oakland back into the plaza. Because of her response, I feel that the march was a success.

Yesterday's march was in response to scott olson and police brutality in general. Oakland has a big history of police brutality cases, so a lot of the community showed up. As said by the mayor, for the most part the march was absent of a big police force. Of course there was some, but nothing like before.

If you would like to know about my cause specifically...
I personally have not been affected by the economy too much, but I know people all around me whom have. For example, my own parents and friends. I would not like to go into details about their current situation, and I'm sure you can respect that, but I feel their pain. I also feel the pain of all the people around me at the camps. I can tell they are fighting for things they 100% truly believe in. I am not necessarily at the marches to spread my own word, but more to just support the group as a whole. Even though I haven't been hit as hard as other people, I know that there are definitely things in this country that need to change. I am not doing this for myself, but for everyone, because I support what they are fighting for

Well spoken. Thank you for your support.

Originally posted by Enderdog

Originally posted by NightGypsy

Interesting! It sounds just like classic cult recruitment! Lessee......That means forty or fifty people can completely control many hundred and have them think it is their own idea...check! Cialdini must be tickled pink that his teachings are being used to so easily separate the truly useful people of good heart, from the much less easily controlled anarchists and troublemakers. I gotta admit it's a nice touch to call it something that just about guarantees that anyone with an ounce of testosterone would voluntarily decline to participate in. Just out of curiosity....was there any actual relationship to"kittens" in this "action"? Or is that just a feel-good non-sequitur?

Might I just suggest that less attempts at being clever and more focus on trying to relay your point would make this post of yours more worth the read.

Sure! Suggest away!

Maybe someone with an actual curious mind will look up Robert Cialdini, and discover that my reply had very little tongue surrounded by the cheek. Hint: I wasn't showing my finger to anyone.

Stay well.

Oh...great! On top of everything else you want me to Google Robert Cialdini and read up on him so I can acquire a true understanding of your post?.....Oh, man......why do I always gotta do extra stuff to stay relevant and on top of things in these ATS forums! I'll thank you to leave me with SOME degree of ignorance, PLEASE, as I'm holding onto the that shred of "bliss" I have at this point!!!

'S great to read that the "unorganized" protests are a lot more structured and organized than the Media wants us to believe.

To the naysayers: At least these people are doing something, and not solipsistically wallowing in despair, apparently assuming that dissing OWS is their only defense against "the terrible world we're in"

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I'm really happy to hear another side of the story. Oakland can be a really rough area, but the fact that they have an info center shows better organization than some other less organized protests. Lets just hope that security keeps out more violent protesters....they make the whole movment look bad and give police (who already have it in for oakland) an excuse. Does anyone know how that Marine is doing btw? I have a funny feeling he got the brunt of some dumbasses bad (ie. bottle flingers).

Originally posted by Section31
Welcome to "ATS: Occupy: Everything".

Looks like "Occupy" is succeeding in creating a "Occupy: ATS" movement.

If you don't like this thread, you can move over to these:
Link: OccupyOakland protests - Navyman stands Alone in tear gas.filled Police Firestorm

Link: Fliers Drop on Occupy Chicago Protesters

Link: WARNING: OWS is a Trap!! Get off the Streets Immediately

Link: MARINES TO OAKLAND POLICE: 'You Did This To My Brother'

Link: US Marine in critical condition after OccupyOakland

Link: Occupy Oakland Protester admits bottles were thrown at Police BEFORE police responded

Link: Michael Moore Lies " I Am Not Part of the 1%"

Link: US Marines headed to WALLSTREET to protect protesters! THIS IS IT

Link: 99%? Who wants to be a part of the 100%?

Link: This Whole "Occupy Wallstreet" thing seems like theater of the absurd

Link: One Marine v 30 Police - Occupy Times Square - Cops lose

Link: I had been deceived - My visit to an OWS protest

Link: How To Annoy The Banksters!

All on the front page of "ATS". "Occupy: Above Top Secret" is underway. Regardless about what side of the subject you are on, the topic keeps taking over the main 'ATS' board.

For the love of all conspiracies, please talk about something else!!!!

Help! Skeptic where are you? We need "ATS" back!

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I KNOOOW!!! Aren't global revolutions just SO annoying!? Especially when I'm trying to have my ME time! I mean, over 10 threads in 2 months of occupation?? We have to draw the line somewhere, because as an ats member, I expect fresh, new threads everytime I visit! And people are still here talking about this "occupy" thing! Can't we all just get over it and go back to the normal, slow degradation into slavery? Can't people just... accept that they don't deserve freedom? That if they wanted happiness and such, they should've done like the elites and betrayed their own species and backstab their way up the ladder, committing whatever atrocity necessary to preserve their own welfare?? Dont people know that caring about others is for the weak? It's much better living in a world where you have to watch your back and plot against eachother because you never know when your best friend or family member will try to take you out?

Oh, and if this amount of threads bothers you... You're REALLY gonna hate it when WW3 breaks out. IF there's an internet by then...

Praise Mao! Heil Hitler! Yadda yadda yadda...

Originally posted by NightGypsy

Originally posted by Enderdog

Originally posted by NightGypsy

Interesting! It sounds just like classic cult recruitment! Lessee......That means forty or fifty people can completely control many hundred and have them think it is their own idea...check! Cialdini must be tickled pink that his teachings are being used to so easily separate the truly useful people of good heart, from the much less easily controlled anarchists and troublemakers. I gotta admit it's a nice touch to call it something that just about guarantees that anyone with an ounce of testosterone would voluntarily decline to participate in. Just out of curiosity....was there any actual relationship to"kittens" in this "action"? Or is that just a feel-good non-sequitur?

Ah...don't sweat it....You obviously take a lot more time and trouble to educate and post here, than I do. I've been a member for five or six years. And I occasionally post when the mood strikes or I think I can actually point someone in a useful direction. But, I spent too many years attempting to get people to think, by explaining how things actually work, back when boards and email lists were big. And I'm just past the point of gaining so little return for my time and efforts. So yeah....my reply to the OP was a tiny bit terse and short on detail. However I did leave a seed for him, or anyone who cares to follow up. I did like your reply to me though. You called me on it, and gave me the opportunity to go a little further, rather than the typical shut down, that's all too common here these days. Thank you.

If you actually are interested in Cialdini (I know you've already at least googled him! ;o) I recommend you just get his book "Influence:The Shrinkology of Persuasion" and Genie LaBorde's "Influencing With Integrity". The OP is obviously well intentioned. He just doesn't realize yet, to what lengths people will go, to have power over other people. I was literally in shock for a couple years when I realized it. The only way out though, is to learn how to do it, and inoculate yourself against such efforts.

Stay well my friend!
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Might I just suggest that less attempts at being clever and more focus on trying to relay your point would make this post of yours more worth the read.

Sure! Suggest away!

Maybe someone with an actual curious mind will look up Robert Cialdini, and discover that my reply had very little tongue surrounded by the cheek. Hint: I wasn't showing my finger to anyone.

Stay well.

Oh...great! On top of everything else you want me to Google Robert Cialdini and read up on him so I can acquire a true understanding of your post?.....Oh, man......why do I always gotta do extra stuff to stay relevant and on top of things in these ATS forums! I'll thank you to leave me with SOME degree of ignorance, PLEASE, as I'm holding onto the that shred of "bliss" I have at this point!!!

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OK....that didn't show up where I meant it to....so here is my reply in large enough text to read.

Ah...don't sweat it....You obviously take a lot more time and trouble to educate and post here, than I do. I've been a member for five or six years. And I occasionally post when the mood strikes or I think I can actually point someone in a useful direction. But, I spent too many years attempting to get people to think, by explaining how things actually work, back when boards and email lists were big. And I'm just past the point of gaining so little return for my time and efforts. So yeah....my reply to the OP was a tiny bit terse and short on detail. However I did leave a seed for him, or anyone who cares to follow up. I did like your reply to me though. You called me on it, and gave me the opportunity to go a little further, rather than the typical shut down, that's all too common here these days. Thank you.

If you actually are interested in Cialdini (I know you've already at least googled him! ;o) I recommend you just get his book "Influence:The Shrinkology of Persuasion" and Genie LaBorde's "Influencing With Integrity". The OP is obviously well intentioned. He just doesn't realize yet, to what lengths people will go, to have power over other people. I was literally in shock for a couple years when I realized it. The only way out though, is to learn how to do it, and inoculate yourself against such efforts.

Stay well my friend!

Originally posted by QuantumPhysicist
reply to post by MrWendal

 

Well to be specific, the march on tuesday was to rally against the violence used earlier that day to kick out occupy oakland from the plaza. Plus it was also against the fact that they were kicked out in the first place.
In response to that march, the mayor of oakland posted an apology letter stating how she was sorry for the violence used and how she would support our upcoming marches and would also allow occupy oakland back into the plaza. Because of her response, I feel that the march was a success.

Yesterday's march was in response to scott olson and police brutality in general. Oakland has a big history of police brutality cases, so a lot of the community showed up. As said by the mayor, for the most part the march was absent of a big police force. Of course there was some, but nothing like before.

If you would like to know about my cause specifically...
I personally have not been affected by the economy too much, but I know people all around me whom have. For example, my own parents and friends. I would not like to go into details about their current situation, and I'm sure you can respect that, but I feel their pain. I also feel the pain of all the people around me at the camps. I can tell they are fighting for things they 100% truly believe in. I am not necessarily at the marches to spread my own word, but more to just support the group as a whole. Even though I haven't been hit as hard as other people, I know that there are definitely things in this country that need to change. I am not doing this for myself, but for everyone, because I support what they are fighting for

Ok, so they are fighting for a better economy?

I am sorry but I am still confused here. I understand the marches over the violence, but that does not explain to me why they are there to begin with. What is the purpose of occupy Oakland? Listening to your description it sounds like a bunch of homeless people or people whom are out of work who are pissed off that they are not working.

I completely support people's right to protest. Especially if they are on City or Public property since that was paid for by taxpayers, they have the right to be there. I just do not understand what the purpose is. If you look back to the protest of the 60's, each protest was for a specific reason. A Goal. Weather it was to be allowed to sit anywhere on the bus, equal rights, a right to vote, anything. There was always a specific purpose, but each time I ask anyone who has attended these events/ protest, they are unable to tell me exactly what they are protesting against or what the goal of the protesting is.

I would hope it is about more than, "I dont have enough money cause our economy sucks". There are a million legitimate reasons for people to be out in the streets in protest right now. So what exactly is the reason for Occupy Oakland? I just don't get it.