WARNING: OWS is a Trap!! Get off the Streets Immediately

This is right. Now what people need to do is back the courts up by not paying anything into the system. EVERYTHING belongs to the people, so they should take their utilities. If they get a bill, don't pay it. Ask for evidence of the debt from the person that writes to them requesting payment. ALL bills should rightly be paid by the STATE. Conditional acceptance of debt should keep it out of the courts, ie, accept you owe money if they can validate their claim, like show you YOUR IOU, & contract, signed by you & the PERSON requesting the money. There is no valid debt. They can't take 300,000,000 people to court without backing up their system for 20 years!. Stop feeding the Beast & the Beast will die. Get your money out of banks, buy water filters & generators if you can afford to. Use as much credit as you can for this, credit is actually your share or the State's debt(ucc1), assert yourselves as free human beings, not legal entities created by the State. You are BENEFICIARIES to an account, but they change your status by getting you into court & make you the trustee for the duration of the case. Look it up guy's, know WHO you are. YOU created the Government FOR THE PEOPLE... & really, get off the streets before the round up on 11/09. They probably wont let you back out of the FEMA camps for being dissidents. Without your 'energy(money), it will be destroyed. Take ALL of your energies out. learn to be self sufficient with your neighbours, grow food & the State will loose it's hold. Peace American people. The people are hoping for you.

reply to post by jameshawkings


lol, "hey! everyone listen to this guy, he knows what he's talking about"

Second.

I'm sure this has been mentioned, but I'm not trawling through 7 pages to find it.....If anonymous are taking anything down on Nov 5th, it just means chances are they are British based (or the idea is) and there is a reason for that date.....you do know that right?

Remember remember the 5th November.

Fireworks anyone? I gots me some shiny sparklers! yay!

reply to post by jameshawkings


Those FEMA camps and FEMA coffins have begun to sprout cobwebs, we can't have that. Does anyone else remember about 4 or 5 months ago a thread was started on here about 'civilians' being recruited to act as riot police and crowd control officers, the job position had a strange title which I don't remember exactly but something along the lines of "Community Civilian Security Officer" or similar, not sure if it was in the UK or the US. If anyone remembers it would be good to have a link to it, I have tried searching for it but haven't located it as yet.

correct me if im wrong but wont martial law force more people on on the streets ? and if the police fire on and kill unarmed civilians wont that fuel the peoples anguish and cause the government to be overthrown ?

bring martial law on i say the country needs a revolution and somones gotta fire first it dont matter who but the outcome is still the same the people will rise up and see the country right

I concur. There's no doubt that Wikileaks and Anonymous are masterminded by spy agencies (CIA, etc). Whatever the objective of "Occupy" movement, I think it will be very messy.

If people do not protest you guys accuse them of being apathic sheep, lulled asleep by the PTB. Yet If, on the other hand, they do protest they're accused of being agit-prop, socialist zombie pawns played by the PTB. In other words: it ain't good, or it ain't right. So what should people do? Should they buy a huge, fenced in piece of land, cut themselves off from society and put up a sign up that reads: "get off my land or I'll shoot"? You tell me...

reply to post by jameshawkings


thats how they want it to be... they started it, we finish it. on our terms.
We can turn their plan on its feet, and we are. They never expected the military to back us up. They are.

Also another thing to think about is that NY was evacuated,empty like a ghost town not so long ago by Irene the"perfect" storm or the perfect cover for the traps(bomb,nuke,gas what ever) to be covertly prepared in preparation for their next show "OWS" like cattle to the slaugter house. These are the days of our lives. Maybe?

Well my theory is that TPTB are getting very nervous and are sending out shills and those with something to lose from political change to discredit OWS by any means necessary.

Actually thats not really my theory, because I don't believe they are worried enough to engage such tactics but the point is that paranoia is a dangerous thing.

Besides, TPTB don't need shills when they have fools who are willing to do their work for them for free.

Yep I get it, do nothing - they win, rise up and protest they win. Vote for somebody else? They win.

Forgive me for not believing this nonsense actually I think we can rise up and force THEM to back down.
If I'm wrong we might as well all just kill ourselves, as nothing we do has any meaning.

reply to post by Sunlionspirit


How many hippies do you think there actually were?
Do you know how the average mom/pop American viewed them and their ideals?
Do you think that US international affairs were dictated by the concept of free love shared by a few upper middle class drop outs (who have since very much dropped in)?
The US was fighitng a losing war with horrific casualty figures on the other side of the world. Its service men were unwanted by the locals, who longed for the fictional promises of Chinese Communism after having been under French Imperialism.

How Vietnam Really Ended

But at least the hippies had a fantasy, and they weren't confronted with poverty and dictatorship. Robert M Pirsig talks about the various social revolutions since the Victorian times in his novel Leila. Especially the after effects on the youth. Look at the urban chaos we have descended into since the 60s. Show me today's morals.

Protesting is better way, than staying home. Rich bankers like status quo, current crisis feeds them. Why would they want WW3? We are anyway close to that war, war in Europe could break loose any moment. Russia is already preparing for war, Greece too.

Originally posted by daryllyn
[color=deepskyblue]This is ATS. Sources are encouraged.

Now that should be in Breaking Alternative News!

reply to post by beezzer


Yep and Yep.

Can I get some more stars for you and myself when Marshall Law is imposed?

We saw it coming a month ago.

Originally posted by psyop911

Originally posted by Unknown Soldier
You fail to understand that Anonymous is not structured, is not organized and anyone can join in on Anonymous. Hence the FBI can not control Anonymous!

can the fbi join the anonymous? if so, who's there to stop them taking over once
they join? has anonymous ever found any fbi trolls within their ranks? if no, what's
their plan once they do find fbi trolls within their ranks (although there aren't
any... ranks, that is)?

edit on 30-10-2011 by psyop911 because: (no reason given)

The way it works, Anon is a collective of people with ideas. Anon has discussion of ideas in a forum "IRC" and anyone can throw in ideas. Usually most are scrapped or left on the back burner. If most agree on something then Anonymous will act. Wether it be shenanigans with LULZ and a prank, or something moral or immoral. Say someone tortures a cat and Anonymous destroys the persons life. Anyone can create a video per say youtube under the Anonymous banner. There is no official Anonymous PR. There ar no leaders to dupe anon. Lets say FBI creates a video calling for a LOIC attack or DoS attack of a certain alphabet agency so that it can label Anonymous later on as a threat to national security. Well this ends up a FAIL, for the simple fact Anyone can be Anonymous so with Anonymity and nobody to blame it is fruitless for anyone to infiltrate. We had an issue with some Anons asking for paypal donations and running a certain forum where the moderators heavily censored the members and a few other issues the very things Anon has fought against and what it means. We know our own. The FBI would not last long under the Anonymous banner,they have agendas, Anonymous is chaos refined.

Originally posted by daryllyn

Originally posted by jameshawkings

Originally posted by daryllyn
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[color=dodgerblue]Source?

Second.

After much research, I've come to this conclusion, it would take me a long time to dig up all of the sources, but if there's anything you would like specifically just ask. The overall opinion is my own, though by the look of this thread others have concluded the same

[color=deepskyblue]All I was getting at is that you are making a pretty big claim with no sources to back it up.

This is ATS. Sources are encouraged.

So what? The person is entitled to his opinion....but perhaps OPs opinion isn't to your liking.

reply to post by MidnightTide



Yeas were are entitled to our opinion, however extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence...

Hence if you claim the Moon is made of cheese you are going to be challenged by people who know better. The thing about ATS is this has become a entertainment factor with threads like this. People love to entertain the idea, Elenin will kill us, Obama was grown in a test tube ... and some people will believe it without a shred of evidence. This is when discussion becomes satire, a parody. It's a conspiracy web site where there is a conspiracy within a conspiracy or world news. The lunatic fringe are responsible for a majority of the threads on ATS, this one for example. I am always in the grey area even when im not. No need to pay for a tabolid this is free entertainment.

Originally posted by smurfy
I take it then that the National guard will be stood down under some unknown law, unless the state governor/s take it upon thenselves to declare their own martial law, Bush's law was repealed in 2008, so it's up to the state governors to declare martial law once again, and I presume that is without congress approval.

In my opinion, 40 of the governors will be nullified by the (in my words) "Council of Ten" Governors, that were appointed not too long ago to run the 10 districts the country was split in to not too long ago.Council of TEN: Governors

Originally posted by jameshawkings

Get them off the streets now before it all turns nasty.

OWS is being led by the Secret Services, Agent Provocateur's will soon deliberately make things turn nasty with violence and death.

I believe this to be a valid warning.

Innocents should leave the OWS movement immediatly.

I believe that bloodshed will occur soon.

reply to post by o0pinMind0o

i agree, there's just something smells very fishy with OWS, oh by the why all of a sudden obama pulls troops out of iraq.

There's a connection here? Where...what is it? What's 'fishy' about the OWS movement?

You think bringing the entire western economies to its knees by using our money and our mortgages as chips in a game of roulette without telling us is ok? You think that financial institutions, who one year show losses on a previously unimaginable scale, followed by eye watering profits the following year by the theft of OUR money is ok? You think that those responsible continuing to award themselves obscene bonuses (because of the 'risks' they take) is acceptable? You think people losing their jobs and homes being repossessed because of the actions of a few city slickers is normal? You think the tax payers providing a free insurance policy to bankers' risk taking is a golden dawn?

What's fishy is why anyone would NOT be enraged at events since 2008. What do you suggest we do - take it on the chin?