Anti-Drone Tactics

reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL



Here is a little fun and information, since you are now or might have been aware of china's production scale and this information has been well known for just under a decade regarding chinese drones regardless of it being made public recently. The next non human war and a test of technology or should i say full scale technological war to decide who is to dominate the world on that level will be between the N and S korean's. forget the iran and media blitz issues and snap your neck real fast and hard to that particular area of the world. Two super powers using other nations as a proxy battle testing ground using live munitions and people. You should at this time, that is if you are interested in, begin viewing current dod contracts and u.s. smiles and handshakes regarding s.k. and its upcoming battle driven drone strike force under the disguise of peace.




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> N.Korea flew drone over sensitive border: S.Korea <

North Korea flew an unmanned plane for surveillance or as a decoy after it fired a volley of shells near the disputed sea border with South Korea last week, an official said Tuesday.

www.breitbart.com...




>'US to deploy drones near N Korea'<

The United States is reportedly prepared to deploy an advanced unmanned spy plane over South Korea that could provide in-depth intelligence on the military activities of North Korea.

www.allvoices.com...



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> China On Fast Track To Match U.S. Drones Capabilities <

In a video and map, the thin, sleek drone locates what appears to be a U.S. aircraft carrier group near an island with a striking resemblance to Taiwan and sends targeting information back to shore, triggering a devastating barrage of cruise missiles toward the formation of ships.
Little is known about the actual abilities of the WJ-600 drone or the more than two dozen other Chinese models that were on display at Zhuhai in November. But the speed at which they have been developed highlights how U.S. military successes with drones have changed strategic thinking worldwide and spurred a global rush for unmanned aircraft.

asian-defence.blogspot.com...

I don't see why its any problem to shoot down a drone the same way you shoot down a more sophisticated human controlled military aircraft.

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So do we take it that YOU are then responsible?

Get Hacked, Don’t Tell: Drone Base Didn’t Report Virus
www.wired.com...

Computer Virus Hits Drone Fleet
www.outsidethebeltway.com...



Expect a visit from the nice visitors that talk with a monotone, have no humor, and use black as the preferred aesthetic appeal in apparel.

Originally posted by RSF77
I don't see why its any problem to shoot down a drone the same way you shoot down a more sophisticated human controlled military aircraft.

Simple they have NUMBERS You might get ONE but....

Now, Boeing is experimenting with a concept of drone warfare that’s been around for a while; swarming. Basically, you throw a ton of drones at an enemy and through sheer numbers overwhelm any defenses.

defensetech.org...

Boeing Press Release
boeing.mediaroom.com...

And don't forget these...

Robotic Frisbees of Death

Okay just LOVE that title

It ain’t easy, picking out evil-doers in the urban canyons of the Middle East; there are so many places to hide. Taking ‘em out can be even harder, what with all those noncombatants hanging nearby. But the Air Force thinks it might have an answer to this most vexing problem in counter-insurgency: frisbees. disc_uav.JPGNot just any frisbees, mind you. Robotic frisbees. Heavily armed robotic frisbees. The Air Force recently tapped Triton Systems, out of Chelmsford, Mass, to develop such a “Modular Disc-Wing Urban Cruise Munition.“ “The 3-D maneuverability of the Frisbee-UAV [unammned aerial vehicle] will provide revolutionary tactical access and lethality against hostiles hiding in upper story locations and/or defiladed behind obstacles,” the company promises.

defensetech.org...

www.tritonsys.com...

Once they catch up to the baddies, the drones will use a series of armor-piercing explosives, shooting jets of molten metal, to eliminate their targets.

TRITON SYSTEMS, INC.
200 TURNPIKE ROAD
Chelmsford, MA 01824
Phone:
PI:
Topic#: (978) 250-4200
Mr. James Gorman
AF 06-141 Selected for Award
Title: Modular Disc-Wing (Frisbee) Urban Cruise Munition (1000-844)
Abstract: Triton Systems, Inc. of Chelmsford MA proposes to develop a MEFP-armed Lethal Frisbee UAV, whose purpose is to locate defiladed combatants in complex urban terrain and provide precision fires to neutralize these hostiles with minimum hazard to friendly forces or bystanders. The 3-D maneuverability of the Frisbee-UAV will provide revolutionary tactical access and lethality against hostiles hiding in upper story locations and/or defiladed behind obstacles to direct observation and fire. The developed Frisbee-UAV system will be modular to provide reconnaissance, pursuit, and precision fire options to the lowest echelon units. Multiple UAVs can be air- or ground-launched from munitions dispensers or by means of a simple mechanism similar to a shotgun target (skeet) launcher. Both tele-operated (man-in-the-loop) and autonomous modes of operation will be provided, through wireless links to standard tactical data systems. Range, payload, and maneuverability will be tailored to the missions defined during requirements studies. The fuzing mode of the MEFP warheads will be controllable so as to provide a single large fragment (bunker-buster) or tailorable pattern of smaller fragments (unprotected infantry or light utility vehicles). The fuzing mode may be determined in real time by direct operator intervention or autonomous target classification routine built into the UAV.

dodsbir.net...

Multiple Explosively Formed Penetrator (MEFP) Warhead Technology Development

Abstract: Ads by Google Las Vegas Coupons 1 ridiculously huge coupon a day. It's like doing Vegas at 90% off! www.Groupon.com/Las-Vegas MEFP Warhead technology was initiated in the 1980's to provide a warhead that could produce many highly effective penetrators for the attack of light materiel targets. Previously, EFP warheads were designed to produce a single rod shaped or ball shaped penetrator for deep armor penetration. With the MEFP warhead concepts, the liner was designed and formed to produce many individual penetrators to attack light materiel area targets. Initial MEFP warhead concepts utilized a steel case, LX-14 explosive billet and a tantalum, iron or copper liner embossed or formed to produce the individual penetrators. Limitations: APPROVED FOR PUBLIC RELEASE

www.stormingmedia.us...

There is no need to worry about drones being turned on the civillian populace.

If they did it would be a one shot deal. Drones have to be rearmed and refueled just like any other aircraft and that can't be done without service men and women on the ground and there is not a one I have ever met that would do so. Even if it was ordered by the govt it fall under the UCMJ as a unlawfull order so it would never be carried out.
Drones are also flown by people mostly military and they would never fire on there own country.The human aspect has never been taken out of it just the danger to the pilot.

My suggestion would be to find ways to evade and camaflage as well as feed it false information.

Avoid traveling at night expecially if you dont have optics. Use tunnels and buildings for cover that can hide heat signatures. Know when to travel in dispersed groups and concentrated groups. Travel inconspicuous, concealed weapons non obvious camo. Close in with enemy so that heat signatures mix and cannot be distinquished between. Defeat facial reconition software by altering face with hoods, makeup, camo ect. Use smoke and possibly steam to throw off optics and heat signatures.

I dont see the majority of us being able to actually take these things down let alone know theyre there, we'll have to be clever just to survive. Hopefully theres more computer savy people out there on the peoples side that can hack these things.

Some ideas on feeding false info
Let it see you when you want to be seen, I.E. if a group is acting as a diversion or running a fake supply route.

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It appears the rapid development of the Chinese stealth fighter/bomber and their drones, are the confirmed results of China's government directed hacking of US government top secret data, and the corporations involved in US defense development. Taking the US corporations for over 100 billion dollars in trade secrets is how they pay for all their new toys. We keep buying "Made in China" and they keep getting stronger.

I don't have a solution for any of the problems coming....it's just going to be a very tense 2012.

We have just seen Iran bring down one of the US super secret drones, most likely with China's help, may be Russia. My money is on China as the source for the specialists and know how...stolen in the hacking of what the US just recently admitted was the largest single loss of top secret data they have ever had. The US did not state how much data...exactly was lost.

Have a Happy New Year...anyway.

Later, John

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
reply to post by cerebralassassins

 

The future wars will be drone wars; this is the beginning of skynet;

Something like Skynet will stay in the realm of SF for centuries. Humanity doesn't even understand itself yet fully, that has to happen first before it can create true AI. It would also be a waste to have an army of programmers put on such a project while it would be much wiser to spend those resources on making software that will aid soldiers. Just look at the recent hacking of a drone, it appears the US army doesn't even have their own software that should be tougher and more secure than privately created software. If they can't program software that prevents a simple hack, how far are they in creating AI that can distinguish between a goat and a guy wearing a goat suit?

What I believe will happen sooner is some country creates a tonne of cheap drones with their own isolated, mobile network for communications (like having 1 communication drone which communicates through other drones back to base). Those will be operated by soldiers who grew up playing videogames which make them ideal operators, probably hiding throughout the war in some underground secret base.

I doubt it will be the US who will be first with this kind of warfare, might just be Iran who will mass produce drones first or maybe China. I can see them having armies of drones first just like they would be massproducing any other object like cars or electronic devices while the US still believes in the power of their soldiers and continues to produce military hardware which has proven itself, just not in a changed battlefield where threats don't die when you destroy them but just get replaced by other remotely controlled threats. Sometimes I wonder if China or Iran or some other country secretely already have such bases with millions of drones just waiting to be put into action, they would surely have the element of surprise if such a swarm would attack any 'conventional' army.

As a private pilot I can say with certainty that a drone at 30,000 feet is effectively invisible to the naked eye.

Go outside find a contrail then try to actually see the jet liner it wil be a tiny spec at best even on a CAVU day -- forget about nightime or hazy conditions

Drones are much smaller than a passenger liner


So I see the problem as detecting the drone in the first place.

for that I think the only practical way is RADAR -- not a cheap solution

for disrupting the drone, I think as others have posted microwave would be effective

There are very high power microwave kits available if one knows where to look (thousands of watts)

High power LASERS too, These CO2 infra red LASERS are no joke:

www.unitednuclear.com...

I was thinking maybe for an anti-drone tactic, a mylar balloon would be enough to upset it. Or a bunch of mylar balloons or kites. Weather ballons would have the highest reaches. Weather balloons with laser beams strapped on them.

Heavy land-based stuff is limited. Get another drone for the drone.

Remember, this is just theory, not practice; a drone from an enemy country could fly in, this information would be good in self-defense.

Supporting any of the above methods against the US will result in a very bad way...I wouldn't suggest supporting terrorist activities in the homeland, bad idea. But it has drawn criticism in it's recent usage against an Austin citizen in a SWAT raid. Also it can be very useful in certain operations but, what we don't want to see is their pervasive use to watch over the American people."

eff.org

After the Washington Post wrote about the Texas Department of Public Safety’s (DPS) and other domestic law enforcement agencies’ use of drones last January, EFF filed a Public Information Act request with the agency for more information. The Texas DPS was very forthcoming and not only sent us unredacted records of their program but also agreed to provide more information over the phone. The records they sent us are linked at the bottom of this post, and I was able to speak with Mr. Bill Nabors, chief pilot of Texas DPS’s Aircraft Section.

That chinese UAV looks an awful lot like the one iran stole from us, which already goes to show that the best hackers will win the wars of the future.

Can you imagine the havok one person could cause if they figured out a way to take over the entire drone network? Walking a thin line with these things in my opinion.

Kamikaze Cessnas?

If those things are attacking from 20 or 30 thousand feet, there's not a damn thing you could do to stop it. Period.
So hiding/camoflage/misdirection would be your only options. Lots of fires might confuse it's thermal imaging, I don't know.

If they're attacking from a low enough altitude, you might get a chance to try, anyway.
Maybe firearms. Maybe the previously mentioned microwave cannon, if you could rig one. Maybe balloons could be used somehow. Hiding would still probably be your best option.

Another possibility is to go on the offensive. Find out where the drones are based, go there, destroy them on the ground. Not an easy task, to be sure, but it would probably be your best bet for taking them out.