Mother of Conspiracies

S&F

Taking out the FED will be no small feat. I think the first step must be to take money out of politics. Outlaw lobbying, no corporate contributions to campaigns and put a cap on individual contributions. Until we take greed out of politics the common man will have no voice.

Things are going to get much worse before it gets better. The establishment is firmly entrenched and they don't plan on going anywhere. TPTB don't believe that what happened in Egypt and Libya could happen in the U.S. but it can and will. The decline of western civilization has already begun.

Dark times are comming.

I HAVE VISIONS of OWS and TEA PARTY members marching TOGETHER to end this CORRUPTION!


Corruption is the proper word. America is corrupt. We must not let the greedy dictate our society!







Do not forget Marie Antionnete.

Lets take off both the koch brothers heads

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Is this still a conspiracy.... And here I thought it was just plain fact.

second.

hah that is almost the worst part... It is no conspiracy. we Know exactly what these wealthy bastards are doing. And they can get away with it because its legal. THEY OWN THE SUPREME COURT!

What can we do?






start a revolution.

Glad to see that their are smart people in the USA who can lead people (back) to more freedom.
Good OP, good video!

The root cause of the messed-up finances of the USA (and most other countries) is the fact that the people who work honestly are punished with income tax while the tricksters, the shameless and the criminals get away without contributing (sufficiently) to the nation.

An essential point for improving the situation is the abolition of income tax. Money must come from those who are spending (i.e. sales tax), not from those who are working. Sales tax should distinguish various categories, for example: Exemption for water and unprocessed fruit and vegetable, a moderate rate for cars and the house that is your home, a high tax for a 2nd home used for holidays or that is rented out to others. Exorbitant taxes on alcohol and cigarettes. But that is just my personal taste, all tax categories and their respective rate should be established by public voting.

Don't fall for the trap that going back to the Gold standard would solve monetary issues. It will just hand over control to the elites that happen to be in possession of a certain metal. The amount of money in the market should reflect the production of all people using that money. Trying to balance it against an arbitrarily chosen material good misses the point. It is the people that count. See the highly relevant Capitol Hill Babysitting Co-op experiment. And don't forget: The US dollar is still a very popular currency outside the USA. Since the people of Russia, Brazil, India and even China experience more freedom and less suppression, their willingness to produce has increased. So it is necessary that the amount of money for the planet is increased. But of course it should wind up in the hands of working people and not be gobbled up by the banks, which still try to solve the problems that have resulted from their irresponsible and bad management.

YES! Its ridiculous a single mother can work TWO or THREE jobs just to get by and not receive government benefits.. but A SINGLE MOTHER WHO CHOOSE NOT WORK AT ALL can receive government benefits?!?!?! Does anyone see the logic in that?!!?


This is not a democrat or republican issue like the media would like you to believe. THIS IS A ISSUE THAT EFFECTS ALL AMERICANS! white black hispanic republican democrat ows tea party poor! Everyone! the 99%


time to start the second american revolution.

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Yeah, something akin to a $5.00 debit card fee, but at a higher rate. Still, a significant part of the problem boils down to interest rates. Skipping past that because something else will come along neglects to identify root causes, & follow-up with fire breaks to prevent catastrophe for nearly everyone in the future who exercise responsibility with their financial affairs.

Interest is a bank's big gun--it's what wins the battle each time that is not part of the big dialogue. Moreover, banks continue to create money from reserves & in turn create what I think of as a liquidity flux in that houses, cars, etc. can't easily be transferred to the most liquid asset: currency. The exceptionally understated aspect of this is that when banks create currency they don't create enough to pay off the interest that the injected currency also created. So in effect the war, as it were, is against an abstraction that doesn't really exist. Next, as previously mentioned, more must be borrowed because the created money did not create currency or tradable asset of whatever sort to pay the interest. This paradigm is the only example I'm aware of that may be casually referred to as a perpetual motion machine--that is, it's self-sustaining & can even be leveraged against yours and mine pocketbook (as I'm sure you're well aware of at this juncture in time).

I do agree that procedures of some sort would be implemented by banks to stymie losses were usury laws of old implemented once more; nonetheless, I don't believe this problem (which is a paradigm problem) will ever come close to being resolved until the underlying causation is addressed & corrected.

Good Call Friend,

The American Constitution, properly pursued, prevents the perpetrations of treasons on liberty of people and country. Let those who occupy, do so with clear and righteous purpose!
If this is the mother of conspiracies, then the non-terrestrial manipulation of human genome is its father!

∞LOVE∞

I am happy to report that Ron Paul has chosen James Grant as chairman of the Fed.I did not know who James Grant was,but when I looked him up I realized why he chose him.Man this guy is cool.

Agreed 100%. Screw the Fed. It is our duty as the next generation to inherit this country to eliminate it and fix our monetary system. Even so, we need to really come to terms with what we need to do about it and what this will mean for our future as well as the future of our children/grandchildren.

Regarding OWS: I admire their enthusiasm for change, and I wish that more people in this country would take it upon themselves to try to change things. That being said, I believe that they are misguided almost beyond the point of saving. Violent revolution is not the way to go about this. I cannot emphasize that enough. Violence only leads to more violence, and so on. The circumstances aren't the same as they were in 1776.

For those of you supporting the movement: yes, I know the MSM is a lie machine, but I personally know a few people who have seen some of the OWS protests in person, and they've told me that a lot of what they've seen was anything but peaceful. Don't they realize that by instigating violence, justified or not, they are simply making it easier for TPTB to justify violence against them???

The way we're going to have to effect change is by using the ruling elites' own system against them, that system being ''democracy''. It starts at the local level. Sit down and do some hard research on who you're voting for, no matter if it's a city council election or the Presidential election in 2012. The reasons why we have to deal with all of this crap can be attributed mostly to a lack of real participation in the system.

Thinking that just going down to Wall Street (or DC) and burning it to the ground will solve anything is naive and simple-minded. This is not going to be that simple, nor is it going to be easy.

Also, for those of you who support Ron Paul (I do as well), understand that electing him into the White House is by no means the end-all or be-all. We're going to have to get people like him into office across the board, from Congress down to your state and local governments. Believe it or not, there are honest people like him in all areas of politics, looking to hold public office. Sure they don't get the media attention that the other candidates, and they rarely win, but that's just how the MSM works. We've proven that we can bypass this problem already with the use of the internet.

Originally posted by doom27
Yep.... I've been trying to say this in every OWS thread...

The enemy is the central banking system and fake money. Someone takes a loan out for 50k. Ends up paying 10k in interest. Person buys a car. Car dealership gets 25k in fake money. Dealership then pays employees with fake money. Employees buy food with fake money. The store then pays employees with fake money. Employee ends up using that money to pay off another fake money loan. Its never ending.

Don't change the fed, end the fed.

You're absolutely correct...the FED needs to come to an end. We all may as well just start using Monopoly money...because in a sense, that's what we're doing anyway. I haven't used a bank in over ten years now and if it weren't for being a parent, I would not use currency period as it isn't worth the paper it's printed on.

Could care less about a freakin' credit score, mortgage payment, car note (except for the car insurance I have to keep). After 9/11 I just quit a lot of bad habits and banking was the first to go. As soon as the stock market opened back up after 9/11 did anyone else notice the insane overnight (intentional exaggeration of course) increase on B of A and similar banks stock? It was crazy!!! In 2006 after I saw how gracious the banks were being towards everyone I told myself "here we go" and this is gonna be ugly in a couple of years. I personally knew people that could not afford to pay half a penny of a loan back, let alone $750k+ for a house or $50k+ for a car. But people were still buying houses and signing their futures away. It really was a sad thing to witness.

I told myself then that the financial fiasco's final countdown had started. I smelled trouble. The banks were giving credit away at crazy insane amounts. No money down home buying programs, which is how many people got their homes to begin with only to get screwed a couple years later when their rates shot through the roof. No documents necessary programs for obtaining a loan...it was crazy! It was like a free for all...step right up...come and get your fresh bag of peanuts craze. Too bad many got so excited and didn't pay attention. I would like too believe most people had no idea what was about to happen. You know what the old folk say..."If it seems too good to be true, it probably is". Now we are witnessing and/or experiencing this domino effect.

The demands need to hit the stairs of the fed. We need to shut them down....not only the fed, but I think the IRS needs to get the boot just as well.

This is a very good thread and hopefully, it will invite like minds trying to put solutions to what we know as factual injustices. I see this thread as a good place to start.

Awesome job OP

I am a liberal and this is the first time I am in total agreement with what you guys say. I hate when some libertarians insults the protesters and call them dirty hippies. but this video is a good example in how we the OWS and Libertarians can work together towards ending this system of enslavement. The bankers who caused the collapse do need to pay in some way. What they did itself was immoral. And they along with the fed need to learn their lesson. The whole system is rigged, not just one part all of it.

Originally posted by bacci0909
Absolutely. Occupiers need to get to the source of the problem. There would have been no bailout if the Fed wasn't there to facilitate it. S&F

Exactly.

Occupy The Fed

Hey, Ive already said several times on here.. get off your butts and hand out fliers at the OWS meetings concerning the origins of the issue with links and references. These folks arent stupid, just ignorant.. and many have internet access. Arm them with something more precious than bullets.. KNOWLEDGE... and the direction they need to go. I did.. its not all that hard.

Originally posted by speculativeoptimist
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Thanks for the insight, truly valuable info! I have a question, is the Fed Reserve private or gov? I keep getting different answers. I told my step father it was private and he grilled me as if I were a conspiracy nut! Is there a site with a definitive explanation?

Peace,
spec

Who told you it was government?

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Beautiful posts, its a pity not enough add the next step of the Rothchilds and the like not even being human. That makes more sense. Offcourse we need to undestand how the powers at Be control us like puppets but there is the why. We know they control the reserves, the banks, the medical industry(snake symbol on the medical symbol etc etc) Can we all start adding they are not human as well. Or the very guys up the top are.They are bad reptilians or puppets that server them. Predominately Orion and Sirius B. Go home and leave us alone renengade reptilians puppets

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Its privately owned by these arseholes ROTHCHILDS

Originally posted by stirling
My sole observation is that why the hey dont all you smart mo fos go down a show those movies at OWS 24/7?
Those people need to get this part badly!
Currently only addressing part of the problem, and with nobody to steer them right but other americans.....They are at least trying to preserve their rights.....
Remember the whole world is in debt some how to these vampires and you can do a lot by educating the protesters in the front lines to it.

Originally posted by Kolya
I thought "No mate, that's an AK47 and that's clearly not a toddler" - then the subtitle popped up and I admit I giggled at how the video seemed to read my thoughts

what?

Greece is switchin it up on the bankers!