Thailand Floods - rain-making gone mad???

Let's discuss what's going on..... back in mid-June 2011 a YouTube video was uploaded showing at best amateurish cloud seeding over Thailand. YouTube - Rain making operation

According to Wiki.... The floods started in July. Refer wiki link for duration. 31/July/2011 - present

Wiki - 2011 floods

Major floods are occurring during the 2011 monsoon season in Thailand, most severely in the Chao Phraya but also in the Mekong River basin. Beginning in late July and continuing for over two months, the floods have caused 307 reported deaths, affected over 2.3 million people, and caused damages estimated at up to 156.7 billion baht (5.1 billion USD) as of 18 October. The flooding has inundated about six million hectares of land, over 300,000 hectares of which is farmland, in 58 provinces, from Chiang Mai in the North to parts of the capital city of Bangkok near the mouth of the Chao Phraya. It has been described as "the worst flooding yet in terms of the amount of water and people affected". Seven major industrial estates have been inundated by as much 3 meters (10 feet) and estimated it will be around for 40 days.[1]

The flooding has been described as "the worst flooding yet in terms of the amount of water and people affected".[23] As of 18 October, flooding has affected 2,484,393 people from 824,848 families, with 317 deaths and 3 missing persons reported by the 24/7 Emergency Operation Center for Flood, Storm and Landslide (EOC).[24] Damage estimates of at least 185 billion Baht by the latest estimation by Federation of Thai Industry (Central region section) which includes 95 billion Baht damage on Thai industry, 25 billion Baht damage on Thai Agriculture and 65 billion Baht damage on the housing in the communities and suburb villages.

It all started back in 2005 when the King of Thailand Bhumipol Adulyadej proceeded to develop this technology.

Thailand's King Bhumibol Adulyadej has said he will personally oversee an artificial rain-making scheme in an attempt to release the country from a crippling drought. Thailand's King Bhumibol Adulyadej has said he will personally oversee an artificial rain-making scheme in an attempt to release the country from a crippling drought. The cloud-seeding technique invented by the 77-year-old monarch, revered by his subjects as a demigod, uses aircraft to release silver iodide chemicals that "seed" warm and cold clouds simultaneously at different altitudes to trigger precipitation. "No one else in the world knows rain-making better than His Majesty," the Deputy Agriculture Minister, Newin Chidchob, said. Seventeen additional military planes will fly from 22 cloud-seeding bases across the country in the effort to revive 70 of Thailand's 76 provinces suffering their worst water shortages in a decade. Besides the drought, in many areas drinking water was ruined by salt water blasted inland by the Boxing Day tsunami. King Bhumibol is keen on environmental issues, and often tours the hinterlands. He has initiated numerous pollution control schemes, alternative energy projects, as well as land and water-management programmes during nearly six decades on the throne. The "super sandwich" rain-making method is one of four scientific inventions he has patented. In the past six months, water shortfalls have affected 8.3 million Thais, and 10 zones in the normally green northern province of Chiang Mai have been declared disaster areas. Agricultural output has suffered, reservoirs are evaporating quickly, and more than 5,000 forest fires have blazed. Temporary relief is to be provided by 6,000 new wells being drilled in rural areas. But hopes for a second rice-crop this year have been dashed by the severity of this drought, and cash crops have been withering. If water at hydro-electric dams falls any further, electricity generation will be at risk, government officials said. The drought has spread to neighbouring countries. Impoverished Cambodia, suffering from a second year of drought, is seeking foreign aid. Water levels have dropped far below normal in the mighty Mekong river and many subsistence farmers have little hope of harvests.

Source

In 2010 - 2011 Queensland Floods was one of the biggest seen in Australia ever and you guessed it.... Thailand in 2009 allowed QLD to trial it's technology.

A RAIN-making method developed by Thai king Bhumipol Adulyadej is set to aid Queensland in battles with drought after an agreement between the state government and the Thai royal household. The Queensland government's access to the rain-making technology, developed by King Bhumipol over the past 30 years, came a year after the state approached the royal household last year. As a result, Queensland is set to be the first major region outside Thailand where the rain-making technology will be put into full effect. In the past, Australia had joined other nations requesting information exchange and technology on the technique. But Soothiporn Jitmittraparp, secretary general of the National Research Council of Thailand, said similarities in topography in Thailand and Queensland would be beneficial to the success of the project. "The climate and geology of Queensland drought area is very similar to some parts of Thailand. So we're quite sure this technology can be used effectively in Queensland," Mr Soothiporn told AAP. The technique largely relies on cloud seeding generally undertaken using chemicals that promote the formation of water droplets within the cloud formations. The chemical cloud seeding in turn creates clouds with differing temperatures at different altitudes. There are several stages in the process, with sodium chloride used in the final stage to trigger rain. "If that kind of cloud is set up in a very good condition, then the cloud will condense into water and the rain will begin falling," Mr Soothiporn said. In Thailand, the cloud-seeding method has been applied in the largely drought-affected north-east of the country as well as boosting water volume in dams and reservoirs and aiding reforestation programs. Mr Soothiporn said the agreement is also set to boost bilateral cooperation between Thailand and Australia in areas of meteorology and weather programs. Talks between the state government and the Thai royal household began in 2009 but an agreement was reached only in June. It allows for exchange of scientists to study the rain-making methods. The technique was recognised in 2005 and covered by patents in 30 European countries. Reports said Queensland Premier Anna Bligh had recently forwarded a letter to King Bhumipol, now 83, acknowledging the assistance for access to the techniques. Queensland initially made the request for assistance when the state was more than 35 per cent drought affected in 2009. But heavy rains across the region over the first half of this year has left less than two per cent of coverage still affected.

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Do we have a scandal here?? Did they go to far?? Was QLD floods a trial??

In addition another YouTube that is related to the region.

Royal Rainmaking Thailand

With all this technology being used before monsoon season, were these practises best to be avoided??

You people and your "The government is killing us" rhetoric.



One question that is not ever answered on ATS when you guys scream this bull#:

Why would the gov that needs its people kill/destroy/disable the people they need to stay in power?

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That is insane. S&F

It does indeed force the brain to think.

Edit: It is also interesting to note that big 'inland tsunami' that hit Toowoomba. For those not in the know, Toowoomba is on top of a #ing mountain.

Originally posted by OzTruth
... uses aircraft to release silver iodide chemicals that "seed" warm and cold clouds simultaneously at different altitudes to trigger precipitation.

The cloud seeding technology mentioned in your references only works on clouds that are overhead at that time on that day, at that hour.
What it does NOT do, is magically influence the atmosphere for years thereafter over that site.

reply to post by alfa1

I haven't posted this to say that they did it then in June and the results are happening now, I have raised the question that if they were doing it then, whose to say they didn't get out of hand in July or that they are still doing it now... Anyway thanks for the feedback.

Originally posted by mileysubet
You people and your "The government is killing us" rhetoric.



One question that is not ever answered on ATS when you guys scream this bull#:

Why would the gov that needs its people kill/destroy/disable the people they need to stay in power?

Thailand go through annual monsoon seasons, this is the worst ever.... considering what I have found, I think its a valid discussion to have..

yes but ionizing a certain area using haarp would create a high pressure system which would stimulate a low pressure system even increasing it.

Photos of the devastation
Flood reaches northern Bangkok

Photos of the week

Nakhon Sawan Flood

Rangsit Flooded

a dangerous Terrain, don't blame Bhuminipol,
this lead to Imprisonment!

My Theory is that this Flood is normal,
before Thailaeennnnd was full of Trees and Swamp
but now it becomes a Desert with a very hard Soil

reply to post by OzTruth

Major floods are occurring during the 2011 MONSOON season in Thailand

figured it out yet ?

Originally posted by ignorant_ape
reply to post by OzTruth

 

Major floods are occurring during the 2011 MONSOON season in Thailand

figured it out yet ?

Like your username, you are ignorant not to read what is being discussed. We are talking about the effects of cloud seeding during a monsoon season....

But I guess you just wanted to sound cool.

Thanks for the feedback

Maybe "the yellow Shirts" created this Flood to show that Thaksim can't handle the Situation?

or

"The red Shirts" created this Flood to show "the yellow Shirts"
how competent and well Ms.Thaksim can handle this bad Situation?

or

"The Army" seeded the Flood to create a new period of Emergency Rule
to knock down "the red and the yellow Shirts"?

Questions over questions

Maybe "the yellow Shirts" created this Flood to show that Thaksim can't handle the Situation?

or

"The red Shirts" created this Flood to show "the yellow Shirts"
how competent and well Ms.Thaksim can handle this bad Situation?

or

"The Army" seeded the Flood to create a new period of Emergency Rule
to knock down "the red and the yellow Shirts"?

Questions over questions

reply to post by Human0815


I'm not to sure about the political angle, but weather modifications right before a monsoon season, could they have just stuffed up?? Or gone too far with the research?

reply to post by OzTruth


no - you are making claims of cloud seeding during the monsoon season

here is a link to the big picture

its not just thialan - floods have hit a wide area - that thia cload seeding [ if it did happen ] would not affect

reply to post by OzTruth


There have been always high Water Levels in Thailand, Laos and Cambodia,
one reason why the old Houses are elevated.

But before, even 20-30 years ago Thailand/ Bangkok was like a huge Swamp, a big River-Delta.
I visited Thailand for the first Time around 1980 and it was like the Amazon River,
Water, Rivers and Channels everywhere but since them a lot changed there!

The Water have no Place to go anymore, there is only the end- the Sea!

Look, in Cambodia for the "Tonle Sap", this is a Lake which can grow numerous Times,
the People are living on Floats, even the Animals have a Floating House

Surface area: 2,700 km² (normal) 16,000 km² (monsoon)

en.wikipedia.org...

A lot will change in the near Future because of all the Dams in China for the Mekong
and i really doubt that Mother Nature will accept this without a further Disaster!

Originally posted by ignorant_ape
reply to post by OzTruth

 

no - you are making claims of cloud seeding during the monsoon season

here is a link to the big picture

its not just thialan - floods have hit a wide area - that thia cload seeding [ if it did happen ] would not affect

Dude give up, I shouldn't have to repeat myself, I have provided evidence that they were still cloud seeding right before the floods "they call it in Thailand - rain making" and they could be still doing it as of now, all you have done is back up that floods are happening right now with your wiki link, which is shorter version of the one I provided as a quote. Yes they are in monsoon season. WE ARE AWARE OF THAT and have been since I start this thread.

You can't answer why they would even consider cloud seeding so close to a season or during it. Which is what this thread is about... So for crying out loud... get with it... or don't bother.

Originally posted by Human0815
reply to post by OzTruth

 

There have been always high Water Levels in Thailand, Laos and Cambodia,
one reason why the old Houses are elevated.

But before, even 20-30 years ago Thailand/ Bangkok was like a huge Swamp, a big River-Delta.
I visited Thailand for the first Time around 1980 and it was like the Amazon River,
Water, Rivers and Channels everywhere but since them a lot changed there!

The Water have no Place to go anymore, there is only the end- the Sea!

Look, in Cambodia for the "Tonle Sap", this is a Lake which can grow numerous Times,
the People are living on Floats, even the Animals have a Floating House

Surface area: 2,700 km² (normal) 16,000 km² (monsoon)

en.wikipedia.org...

A lot will change in the near Future because of all the Dams in China for the Mekong
and i really doubt that Mother Nature will accept this without a further Disaster!

Yes and all this extra rain they have made wouldn't have helped the situation. Thanks for the info..

With the Thai government knowing the problems of the delta, the streams and the back log of water why would they still "make" extra rain so close to the season...??

Originally posted by OzTruth

With the Thai government knowing the problems of the delta, the streams and the back log of water why would they still "make" extra rain so close to the season...??

Because they have a big demand for Water,
every drop of Water is a progress of and for the agricultural Situation in South East Asia!

At the end of the dry Season they need Water as much as a Junkie need Heroin!

It is normal that the Thai People use all forms of Cloud Seeding,
from Chemical to Natural, i really doubt that they care the bad effects.

But i remember that the King liked the natural Ways,
when they used the Kings Method i doubt bad Side Effects!