Grizzly Bear Attack? Shut him down with a telescopic baton

Originally posted by DoNotForgetMe
I thought the general rule was to crap yourself and play dead. And I am not trying to be funny, I know I have read or heard that somewhere.

 

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Well that will mean you will only get partly eaten. And then you might make it if you can get to an ambulance.

The rule of thumb is, if you play dead, you will get mauled. It will just lose interest after awhile.

The experts say, don't play dead. If you have used your bear spray and it is ineffective or don't have any, fight back with anything you have. They don't say play dead. Thats suicide.

The bear might be attacking because it is starving. How does playing dead help you?

Here is an interesting thing I found, Ia guy who has killed a grisly with an exploding arrow point.

"the rambo exploding arrow is fake,but my self as a 10 year pyrotechnition i have designed several real exploding arrows and also exploding crossbow bolts. i have also designed exploding arrows for taking down larger 1200 pound grizzly bears with in 2 seconds using a 3 gram charge with internal 2 second delay grain.
these are not legal for hunting but in a emergency would be your best friend.sorry for any type-oos made above."

community.discovery.com...

I want a folding cross bow with exploding arrow tips now. For my bug out bag.

The Professional Russian will now show you how they work on zombies of doom...

Your not serious right?That bear would snap that thing in half and wipe it's rear with you.

reply to post by Rocketman7

Well Davy Crocket killed a bear with his bare hands when he was 3. But he was big for his age. Born on a mountaintop in Tennessee, Greenest state in the land of the free, Raised in the woods so he knew every tree, Kilt him a b'ar when he was only 3. Davy, Davy Crockett, King of the wild frontier! From "The Ballad of Davy Crockett"

This Davy Crockett sounds like a crock, what kind of bear did he kill with his bare hands? If it was one of them little cute bears like you had in your vid climbing up that tree, then I call that animal abuse and animal murder, and I am not impressed nor amused. But he does sound like a manly man though, even when he was 3 years old I bet you he must of had a beard.

Man to bear combat is maybe not a good idea. Their skull on top is something like 4 inches thick.

lol off-course it's not a good idea, I was talking as a last defense type of thing in case there was no other way, and against the bigger bears only. Besides there skulls might be 4 inches thick but in a concussion its not the skull your trying to break trough. You just want the brain to smack against the inside of the skull a little and hard, it will at the least cause the bear to lose equilibrium. And make him think twice.

Remember you must break the bottom brick not the top brick. Anybody can break the top brick...like duh.
You need to learn some science and stuff, and practice your dim mak techniques.

Its like man vs freight train what are you gonna do? Unless you are armed with something and I would suggest that the baton would work, in the hands of an experienced professional.

I was thinking along the lines of a bear that meant business and a little smack on the nose would not stop him, however a little, or more then a little blood "his blood that is" flowing will make any enraged and blood crazed bear think twice. If your afraid of being attacked by a bear and carrying a baton around when in bear country, then you might as well upgrade and carry a machete, or big knife around your person instead, or better yet save the space required on your person to carry all that, and get yourself a gun. You dig.

Your bear knowledge is impressive dude, use it. Sure smacking bears with batons sounds fun and all, but it could be dangerous and hazardous. Besides it's just plain mean not to give the bears warning long before they get in your face that you could kill them if you wanted to....Don't be mean dude, bears have feelings to, so be courteous and give a warning shot if you must, but a warning shot only.

reply to post by galadofwarthethird

This Davy Crockett sounds like a crock, what kind of bear did he kill with his bare hands? If it was one of them little cute bears like you had in your vid climbing up that tree, then I call that animal abuse and animal murder, and I am not impressed nor amused. But he does sound like a manly man though, even when he was 3 years old I bet you he must of had a beard.

You have got to be kidding me...........i dont expect everyone to know who he is........

But i def expect everyone to know a joke when they see it.........

Come on people

Your bear knowledge is impressive dude, use it. Sure smacking bears with batons sounds fun and all, but it could be dangerous and hazardous. Besides it's just plain mean not to give the bears warning long before they get in your face that you could kill them if you wanted to....Don't be mean dude, bears have feelings to, so be courteous and give a warning shot if you must, but a warning shot only.

Have that bad boy coming at you so quick you cant even think straight, with a mind to use your guts to aid his digestion, and your "warning" shot goes out the window..........

Originally posted by galadofwarthethirdRemember you must break the bottom brick not the top brick. Anybody can break the top brick...like duh.
You need to learn some science and stuff, and practice your dim mak techniques.

I can do that.
I just don't feel like doing it right now.

I bet a grisly bear has a glass jaw. While he is standing there 10 feet in the air with his mouth open, all you need to do is hit him under the jaw with a good upswing of the baton, and he will drop like a sack of rice.

reply to post by Rocketman7


Your right dude playing dead when the bear comes up to you on purpose and with intent, is not a good idea. Who came up with that crazy idea? Is it the same people who said that you must duck and cover under your desk during a nuclear explosion? If so it makes sense then.

The exploding cross bow can not be used in a last ditch close encounter either, it is along range weapon, if a bear would come on you and you didn't see him what are you going to stand there and notch a bolt, and even if you get off a shot in the bear it will explode in your face as well because the bear is to close.

And also the guy who used it to kill big bears is just a dip#, use a real gun and make a clean kill or don't do it at all. Really do you want bear parts and pieces allover the place. And don't kill something that your not going to use or eat, it's bad karma.

Oh and one more thing about that professional Russian, in that cool vid you linked. Sure he knows his stuff. But he is not a real professional Russian, he only plays one on TV...Wana know how I know? You don't see the vodka bottle when he is shooting stuff...duh.

However he is educational, and funny to watch. Have a nice day bro.

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reply to post by mnmcandiez


^ oops wrong thread lol

I have to say something because I lived in bear country from a while. ANYONE who thinks they are going to hold off a bear with a baton well, lets hope you never have to try that theory out. If you survive, you got very lucky.

Most people I know carry bear spray which I wouldn't trust, or a loaded 45.

Best bear repellant out there is a bullet in the eyeball. IMO

You get attacked by a grizzly, you play dead. You won't be able to fight it off with a telescopic baton unless you get extremely lucky. Now if you can make yourself look bigger than you are, such as a long tree branch, or a bike if you are riding one, and hold it out in front of you so you look bigger, that MIGHT work. If cubs are involved, just play dead.....seriously.

Originally posted by mnmcandiez
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Fighting solves everything.

Bottom line in a bear encounter:

I don't have to run fast, I just have to run faster than you.

reply to post by Darkblade71


Dude does this "play dead" even work?

Has anybody actually even tried to play dead when a bear was coming up on them, and survived the encounter?

You can try to make yourself look bigger and meaner and most likely unless the bear was really hungry, it should work. In most such encounters the bear would of just probably been looking for an easy meal or to move along. And I to am not so sure about this bear spray repellent, it probably works, or it probably make the bear pissed and attack blindly, who knows it all depends on the situation.

reply to post by Darkblade71


Not a good strategy either, at least if it's me that your trying to outrun....I can run pretty fast if I wanted to bro.

Originally posted by Darkblade71
I have to say something because I lived in bear country from a while. ANYONE who thinks they are going to hold off a bear with a baton well, lets hope you never have to try that theory out. If you survive, you got very lucky.

Most people I know carry bear spray which I wouldn't trust, or a loaded 45.

Best bear repellant out there is a bullet in the eyeball. IMO

You get attacked by a grizzly, you play dead. You won't be able to fight it off with a telescopic baton unless you get extremely lucky. Now if you can make yourself look bigger than you are, such as a long tree branch, or a bike if you are riding one, and hold it out in front of you so you look bigger, that MIGHT work. If cubs are involved, just play dead.....seriously.

Again, if a grizzly bear is attacking you because it is hungry, how does playing dead help you?

Is an arm or a leg going to fill him up?

Is that the trade off?

I say mano a mano, man vs bear. You know let him know who's boss. Tell him to come and get his ass whoopin, be the aggressor. Don't wait for him to charge you after he has done his bluff charge, do yours!

And be ready to cold cock him with the baton. Right upside the head. Whack!

There is a difference between encountering a bear and a bear attack.

If you get attacked by a pitbull, you give him the arm you do not need so you can swing and pull/push with the other.

A bear is not a pitbull.

Most bear encounters where bears attack are because people wander into bear country without being aware that there are bears around. They scare the bear which causes it to attack, in a fight or flight situation, a bear will size you up and then decide if it will attack. A mother with cubs is a no brainer, you play dead if it charges you, if you fight back then you ARE a threat and the bear will kill you. I am not saying that you see a bear and just drop dead, if a bear actually comes up and takes a swipe at you, play dead. Because if you fight back and it is just protecting its cubs, you are dead.

You might think you are tough enough to take on a grizzly, but well, I know a few ex marines like that, they could take on anything that came at them. That does not mean they will win.



A hungry grizzly? Well, ok, smack it, but chances are, if you run into a grizzly in the woods, it is not going to try to eat you, only get as far away from you as is possible and eliminate you as a threat.

Originally posted by Darkblade71
There is a difference between encountering a bear and a bear attack.

If you get attacked by a pitbull, you give him the arm you do not need so you can swing and pull/push with the other.

A bear is not a pitbull.

Most bear encounters where bears attack are because people wander into bear country without being aware that there are bears around. They scare the bear which causes it to attack, in a fight or flight situation, a bear will size you up and then decide if it will attack. A mother with cubs is a no brainer, you play dead if it charges you, if you fight back then you ARE a threat and the bear will kill you. I am not saying that you see a bear and just drop dead, if a bear actually comes up and takes a swipe at you, play dead. Because if you fight back and it is just protecting its cubs, you are dead.

You might think you are tough enough to take on a grizzly, but well, I know a few ex marines like that, they could take on anything that came at them. That does not mean they will win.



A hungry grizzly? Well, ok, smack it, but chances are, if you run into a grizzly in the woods, it is not going to try to eat you, only get as far away from you as is possible and eliminate you as a threat.

If what you say is true, that they just want to eliminate you as a threat, then running away would be sufficient.

Everyone tells you not to do that. They will run after you and eat you.

They are predators.

They will stalk you as prey.

Yes, you might survive if you play dead. If you call being half eaten surviving. Guys have survived by merely punching a bear in the nose. That causes them extreme pain.

The experts say, if you are about to be attacked, fight back with anything you have at your disposal because you are in a predatory situation and that is your only hope. Sure some people have survived by playing dead. And lived to tell about it. Messed up bad for life covered in scars.

Other people have fended bears off by fighting them.

A baton is a deadly weapon. It can break bones. Hit it in the face, like where the jaws meet and break somethin there he will be unable to bite you.

Hit his elbow. Can you imagine what that would feel like if someone took a hard swing with an iron rod and put their shoulder into it and whacked your elbow?

Death destruction and pain.

And then while you were agonizing, came down on your snout with equal force 4 inches up from the nose and broke that bone? Or better still, whacked the crap out of its nose? If a punch to the nose is enough to send them packing, then a wild sideways swing right into the nose is going to be hell for that bear.

If after two shots he doesn't realize he is up against the king of the beasts, with a stinger that causes intense pain, I'd be surprised.

If you swing and miss or just make feeble glancing hits he won't be stopped. You need to hit the bone and in vulnerable areas. And with extreme force.

The people who say oh you shouldn't kill anything you aren't going to eat. Tell that to the guy who watched a bear carry away one of his children. Or his wife. They are playing for keeps. Lay down and die or give up a family member, or be like Tarzan. The choice is up to you.

Look, I would hate to see someone die because they attack something that is attacking them.


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If a grizzly makes contact.
As above, if you believe the bear to be stalking you, fight back with everything you have. In general though, playing dead in a daytime grizzly encounter tends to reduce the level of injury sustained by most attack victims. Many grizzly attacks are defensive in nature, and playing dead may show the bear that you are not a threat. Keep your backpack on as it will provide added protection. The best position is to lie on your side in a fetal position. Bring your legs up to your chest and bury your head into your legs. Wrap your arms around your legs and hold on tight. You may also lie on your stomach, backpack on, and place your hands behind your neck to protect that vulnerable area. Do not play dead until the last moment. Staying on your feet may allow you to dodge, or divert an attack.

After the attack.
Once the attack has ended, remain patient. After a few minutes, try to determine if the bear is still in the area. If the bear has moved on, you should make your way towards assistance as quickly as possible.

See for yourself!

Learn What to do If you Encounter a Bear

Read up, don't get yourself killed.

reply to post by Rocketman7


"I don't know what the point was abolishing the long gun law, you still need to pass a safety course and get a background check, and get a license, then you need an A to B permit to transport a gun in a vehicle too I think."

They haven't abolished the long gun registry yet, just tabled the legislation to do so. We'll see. You can carry a shotgun or rifle, if you have your Possessions liense. You can't purchase a new rifle or shotgun, or borrow someone else's unless you have a Possessions and Acquisitions license. Handguns are the ones you can't carry. You can only take them, with a permit, from your home to a gun range, and that's about it. And to own a handgun you need a Restricted Weapons license on top of your PAL. The handgun registry is not currently being discussed as something the government wants to remove, just the long gun registry.Complicated, and a royal pain.

Personally, I rarely go into the bush without at least a 12 gauge. Bears suck! Hooligans and vandals, and scary ones at that.

reply to post by Rocketman7


"You can own a crossbow without a license, but you can only hunt with one in New Brunswick and Yukon Territories."

That's not quite true, they're actually legal for hunting season in most of the provinces/territories.

www.tenpointcrossbows.com...

Some scary stories you found, though.

Originally posted by Jebbaroo
reply to post by Rocketman7

 

"You can own a crossbow without a license, but you can only hunt with one in New Brunswick and Yukon Territories."

That's not quite true, they're actually legal for hunting season in most of the provinces/territories.

www.tenpointcrossbows.com...

Some scary stories you found, though.

A crossbow would be good. I like the idea one guy had. He machined an aluminum shaft, at the end he attached a piece of aluminum the size of a shell casing. Then made an aluminum insert. A bullet or shell goes into the insert.
On impact, the insert, contacts the outer shell sleeve which has a small point which acts as a firing pin.

So on contact, the bullet discharges into the object.

Now that takes away the silent hunting idea, but it does increase its capacity to drop a target.

The only reason I probably won't get a crossbow is because you only have a few arrows.

With a 22 you can carry 5 or 6 boxes of shells and have plenty of ammo. You might not drop a grizzly with a 22 you can use the baton for that.

The PAL form is like doing your income tax for the last 3 years and not having any of your papers, and needing to get a note from your doctor, and your old high school nurse, and fill everything in in triplicate, and I am not even going to bother.

If and when the SHTF I will acquire a gun from a zombie. I will hit him on the head with my baton and take his gun.
He won't know what to do with it anyway.

If the baton is not sufficient, a supersoaker full of bleach will discourage any gang of idiots right now. Blind half of them in less than 5 seconds. Without immediate hospital attention they will stay that way too.
Hey if its a life or death situation, don't play to lose.