cardinals and bishops refuse to shake pope's hand!!!

This was absolutely incredible. Talk about some serious problems in the church right in your face. This has to be completely unheard of....bishops and cardinals refusing to shake the pope's hand! Could it be that this pope is evil? could the catholic church be the Whore of babylon? what do you guys think of this? Sorry i had to post this here, but this stupid site wouldnt let me create a new thread other than here. here is the link....

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Whoa thanks for sharing that!

Absolutely insane!

What does this mean?
I have no clue but it sure looks mighty intriguing !

Hope this thread leads to some discussion - I will post in an effort to get things moving.

The pope did not look like the pope - or was it the angle of the camera?
I know that an imposter pope has been placed in public once before.

The catholic church needs to be more transparent in its dealings.
How about opening up all secret vaults.
Do unto others - if you want people to trust you you cannot have secrets.

They are too much like a corporation than a church add to that the fact that people are awake and aware to the state of the world. Even the priests who perform exorcisms state the church has relinquished their position to almost non existence - pretty much tells the world that evil can do what it likes because the catholic church won't stop you.

The catholic church is as polluted and filled with sickness as the rest of the world. Too many lies and too much deceit for far toooo long.

Much Peace ...heaven knows we need some

Wow..that was a very interesting video..

They were definitely trying to give some sort of message...was almost feeling sorry for the frail looking little old man...that kept his hand out , like he was hoping someone would finally shake it...then I remembered why I don't care for him much.

That was the oddest video I have seen in awhile concerning the pope...wonder what's behind that lil show of solidarity.

Thanks for sharing...

these men are acting like a bunch of feminine gossipers. 60+ and their immaturity is blatant. "ewww im not gonna shake his hand because im mad at him"

poor guy.

Wow - that was amazing. One or two you could brush off as bad timing re: Pope's outstretched hand getting to the cardinal/bishop as that person was looking away or something, but a few purposefully pulled back from the Pope, or made sure to move their hands to a position where the Pope couldn't even grab it if he wanted to even though his hand is clearly outstretched to shake theirs and they knew it.

Definitely deliberate and amazingly disrespectful.

I have no idea what it means, but these guys wanted no part of this Pope.

reply to post by mrpops09
Ah, according to Signs of the Times' website, the Pope was defenestrated earlier this year (I always thought that meant getting thrown out a window?) when his hat was blown off - seems this was interpreted as a sign of god removing his authority.

Hat blowing off/removal of authority video from World Youth Day:


What this bodes for the RCC, I'm not sure.

The pope is under the Jesuits who are under those Elite Royal Families who rule the world.
If this is a sign that the structure is crumbling, maybe there is hope for us.

reply to post by mrpops09
And a counter argument that seems to make sense (CatholicCulture.org):

Yes, it’s true that only a few of the bishop in the receiving lane take the Pope’s outstretched hand. But the first prelate in the line who does not shake the Pope’s hand is Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, his hand-picked Secretary of State and his stalwart ally. Trust me: Cardinal Bertone would never deliberately insult the Pope.

So what’s happening in this clip?

The bishops are in a receiving line. Following protocol, the Pope is introducing them to German President Christian Wulff. The Pope, trailing slightly behind Wulff, has his right hand is extended—not toward the bishop in front of him, but toward the one in front of the German leader. It is a gesture of introduction, not an attempted handshake. Notice that when a bishop does seize the Pope’s hand, the Holy Father appears somewhat distracted; he is already introducing the next bishop in the line.

If you watch the video without preconceptions, you will see no tension, no hostility in the body language of those involved. Whether or not the bishops take his hand, Pope Benedict shows no reaction. He looks tired and distracted but definitely not surprised or offended.

This is a diplomatic ritual, in which the bishops are greeting Wulff, not the Pope. When you host a party, and you introduce one friend to another, you expect the two to shake hands, but you don’t expect them to shake your hand again as well. That’s roughly what’s happening here.

Thoughts one way or the other?

Thanks for the catch and share on this. That is a statement so loud it literally screams. One side of my family is devout Catholic and I'm speechless at this video for the depth of meaning and symbolism it apparently carries. Wow...

I've never had a good feeling when looking at this Pope. I've always just chalked that up to how close he could fill a central casting call for the 'evil old man'. I mean, he looks the part as if that were the point in some appearances...but it's shocking to see actual Church authority seemingly shunning him in public. The world is going through very interesting times.

reply to post by Praetorius

Interesting interpretation, and I sure don't work in the Vatican Office of Protocol or anything...but that isn't what I thought I was seeing...including the one who did shake his hand but almost seemed to stop mid outreach to take his hand back...for just a second there. Oh well... This is ATS after all, where everything has multiple meanings, right?

Originally posted by OhZone

The pope is under the Jesuits who are under those Elite Royal Families who rule the world.
If this is a sign that the structure is crumbling, maybe there is hope for us.

If Revelation is right then there is a sort of civil war between the harlot and the beast. I am a believer that the Jesuits and the Church sit on the Beast and feel powerful and confident in their position of authority as they act in unison. But the wild beast turns on the harlot and destroys her, I guess the beast doesn't like doing all the heavy lifting while the harlot sits back and reaps the rewards. It's possible that some of the Cardinals enjoy their banking friends more than their Nazi friends.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000
Granted, it could totally be wrong.

Did you see my earlier response, and do you know anything of this supposed defenestration/removal of authority by god directly? I wasn't able to find much else confirming the importance of the zucchetta, so I'm utterly in the dark on this.

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Speaking of his hat being blown off earlier in the year, I wondered (before I even read your post) why he is hat-less in this one. Very strange.

ETA: Oh, nevermind. I looked again. It's there-- it just blends in with His Grayness, LoL.

reply to post by Praetorius

No, that is a new one on me. The Catholic Faith was never pushed on me and I never personally picked it up as my own. I am going to ask a couple family members who are devout and very deep in the Church about this tomorrow though. I'll drop back a note here if they tell me something that adds to the thread.

Well it's about freakin time. All the popes as far back as I can remember, with exception to only a few, are as corrupt as corrupt can be. The guy was Nazi youth for cryin out loud!

reply to post by OhZone


The Jesuits aren't run by the Royal Families. At least in my opinion they are not. I have read that the Jesuit Order is ran by the Black Pope, not black in skin color rather black as in hidden. The center of most elite, NWO, occulist, conspiracy theories lead to them. If you wish to read more on the black pope look it up, it's the internet, something will pop up.