What is the real reason for the U.S. leaving Iraq?

(This is a post that was written in response to a thread posted by ATS Member The Redneck. I feel that it brings up a set of other questions that need answered. So I decided to make a new thread of it. The reason I did this is I felt that it might take The Redneck’s thread off topic. The thread it originated from is posted below. Sorry if this causes any inconvenience.)

Plan C: World War III

Great thread Redneck and I agree with many of the points you made in it. But the thing that gets me the most is our troops getting pulled out of Iraq. I know that they say Iraq wouldn’t grant our forces immunity for our actions and we couldn’t come to an agreement with the PTB over there on that issue, so we have to leave. (I hope I understand this correctly) But is that the real reason our troops are getting pulled from Iraq?

Is the reason that Obama trying to make good on one of his many broken campaign promises in light of the upcoming elections? I don’t think this to be the case. If Obamas advisers felt that we still had a reason to be in Iraq, which we know they do, we would have done everything in our power to resume talks with Iraq’s PTB. We have had countless negotiations break down and that has never stopped us before. We would just keep plugging away till some kind of agreement could be made. Iraq has a madman living right next door, a madman who is allies with Russia and China, and all of a sudden he is not a problem anymore? I don’t buy that for one second.

Now we come to the issue of oil. Sadly, oil is what makes this world go round, we all know this. That’s what this war is all about. But I don’t think we would pull our troops out of Iraq to send them to another nation with untapped reserves to safeguard it from other competitor nations. Wouldn’t it take more money to mobilize troops to another location and possibly spark off yet another conflict that we don’t have the resources to fund? Seems to me, it would be the more economical choice to spend the taxpayer’s money on looking for and making use of the untapped oil that we have under our own lands that we have heard so much about. This would create much needed jobs here at home and help reduce our dependency on foreign oil. But we all know that just makes too much sense for the so called big brains in Washington to grasp.

I would love to touch on the other facts that you laid down for us at the beginning of this thread. If I did this would go on forever, so I’ll get to the point.

This could just be the conspiracy theorist in me or just the general distrust I have in the big wigs in Washington. I think we are pulling out of Iraq for the same reason you think we are, as you stated on last Saturday on ATS Live. There is an underlying reason; there is always a reason for every action taken by our government. I feel they will need those troops here.

I have a feeling that something is heading our way, something big. It’s the reason all the (I know a lot of people hate to hear this) FEMA Camps are springing up all over North America. (3,768 as of 2009) It’s the reason the US Army is calling for the training of what they call “Internment Resettlement Spec lists” (I will provide a link to a Recruitment Video that I found) It’s the reason for the first test run of the National Emergency Alert System (EAS) at 2:00PM EST on November 9th. (Which we have just now got around to creating. Why is that? Why now?)

What has got the U.S. Government so worried? What do they have planned for us? It feels almost like their scared of what their own citizens will do when we finally hit the bottom of this downward spiral we are in, and they should be, and yes it is coming soon.
This is what I think.

My theory as to why troops are being pulled out is Israel is getting ready to NUKE Iran. The FEMA camps are probably for the US Muslim population. Just like they did the Japanese, they will do the same to the Muslims.

GULP

I think this is certainly a realistic possibility.

Originally posted by ohioriver
My theory as to why troops are being pulled out is Israel is getting ready to NUKE Iran. The FEMA camps are probably for the US Muslim population. Just like they did the Japanese, they will do the same to the Muslims.

That is a real possibility.
Second Line

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My theory as to why troops are being pulled out is Israel is getting ready to NUKE Iran. The FEMA camps are probably for the US Muslim population. Just like they did the Japanese, they will do the same to the Muslims.

I think you are half right, pulling out of Iraq because Israel intends to attack Iran, and Us troops in Iraq will feel the blow back as it were.

But it will be UN troops rounding people up in the US, the same troops who have been training to contain YOU the american public, since REX87

Originally posted by TerryMcGuire
GULP

I think this is certainly a realistic possibility.

Yes it is. More than you might think.
I'm ready for it and I won't go down without a fight.

The US wont agree to a SOFA that does not give US forces immunity under local law .... just like we have everywhere else.

Dont be surprised when the Iraqis change their minds sometime in December.

They found better oil reserves in Sudan to control the worlds economy again. They go where the oil flows like the salmon of capistrano.

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Yes! REX87! Here is a link that explains in detail.

REX87

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I think they are leaving Iraq because Obama's ratings have fallen so low to the point where he is making a last minute ditch effort to secure his election for next year.

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We need troops for the invasion of Mexico under the auspice of helping to control the drug lords. Don't believe me, check this out: www.abovetopsecret.com...

That's a fascinating thread and I'm not sure why it didn't take off bigger on ATS. It's only two pages but very worth the read.

Edit: The member who started it got banned. I'm always curious when members who come off as rational, smart and well spoken get banned. What happened?

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It's just Obama being Obama. I've seen two diplomats on interviews say the same thing, that they could have made a deal with the Iraq Government had they wanted too.

Obama's keeping his power is dependent on a very few votes percentage wise. Everything he does for the next few months will be pandering for or buying votes somehow. His Jobs Bill was dead on arrival and he knew that, meaning its just a campaign tool. It's all smoke and mirrors.

The victims are the people of Iraq. Without our support they have no chance. Iran will take control through proxy within a few months and the slaughter will make the Iraq war look like a walk in the park. The Sunni's and Kurd's will be sitting ducks.

Too keep his power, Obama is willing to participate in that slaughter by enabling it.

I am pretty certain that the Iraqi govt. had demanded that the US to pull out all troops by 12/31/2011.
This was negotiated years ago....pre Obama.

The U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement (official name: "Agreement Between the United States of America and the Republic of Iraq On the Withdrawal of United States Forces from Iraq and the Organization of Their Activities during Their Temporary Presence in Iraq") is a status of forces agreement (SOFA) between Iraq and the United States. It establishes that U.S. combat forces will withdraw from Iraqi cities by June 30, 2009, and all U.S. forces will be completely out of Iraq by December 31, 2011,

en.wikipedia.org...

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The US did for Iran what Iran couldn't do for itself - remove Saddam Hussein. Whatever you think of that guy, he stabilized the area.

The conspiracy part of my mind really believes there's something going to happen between the US and Mexico with the approval from the Mexican government. But on a more balanced approach to troop withdrawals it's likely a campaign move as you suggest.

Though to be fair, whether or not one agreed with the Iraq war - there's must be consensus that there is right way to pull out of Iraq and a wrong way too. Too quick and the populace are in trouble worse than before, too slow and well, the US is occupiers and no real government arises. A bad situation all around I believe.

The U.S. is "leaving" Iraq for the same reason it leaves anywhere. Either all the available resources (oil, for instance) are now nice and neatly under U.S. corporate control, or it's been determined that any further money spent in the region is ultimately not going to be worth what the U.S. is going to get out of it.

It's a pretty simple way to make a decision. Is there any money in it? The military is the armed force that looks after the interests of U.S. business around the world. But it's expensive. So you either have to figure out a way to peacefully gain control of a local situation by essentially getting a huge percentage of the locals to work for you and depend on you for their livelihoods, or you have to pull back and wait until a kinder political situation evolves. The U.S. has a lot of time to wait, and it's patient. Just look at how patient we've been with Castro and Cuba. Nobody can live forever.

Don't worry, though. As long as Iraq has oil, the U.S. will still have an interest in the area, and can always cook up a reason to take military action if they need to.

Originally posted by Blaine91555
Obama's keeping his power is dependent on a very few votes percentage wise. Everything he does for the next few months will be pandering for or buying votes somehow. His Jobs Bill was dead on arrival and he knew that, meaning its just a campaign tool. It's all smoke and mirrors.

Yeah, but pulling the troops home could really backfire. If there's one thing we don't need right at the moment is a lot of ex-military people out on the streets looking for work that isn't there. Imagine an Occupy Wall Street crowd filled with trained soldiers instead of bored college students trying to meet chicks.

Originally posted by Blue Shift
Don't worry, though. As long as Iraq has oil, the U.S. will still have an interest in the area, and can always cook up a reason to take military action if they need to.

If the size of the US embassy in Iraq is any indicator, the US will never leave.

"Massive U.S. Embassy In Iraq Will Expand Further As Soldiers Leave "
www.huffingtonpost.com...

I've heard that most of the people still over there are just tying up loose ends right now. Shipping and getting stuff ready to ship back to America. This makes sense as I can't recall the last time I heard about someone dying over there in an encounter. Too, the person I heard this from is in the military.

I think in this case it was just creative use of something that was happening or will happen anyways. It's just a way for politicians to score points, for doing nothing.

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With Mexico being one of the most violent places on the planet and sharing a border, I'm not sure how it has been ignored for this long. The government of Mexico clearly has no control at all as evidenced by the body counts. The border area on the Mexican side is more dangerous than Afghanistan and we certainly have more of an interest there as these Cartels cross the border at will.

The only thing keeping them contained is a certainty they will pay with their lives if they bring it over the border. That certainty needs to be reinforced. I imagine Mexico will come begging eventually. Either that or the Cartels will take over the Mexican Government entirely and then it really will be bad.

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You are aware that very little of Iraq's oil has gone to us. We put them back in business and they do most of that business with other countries.

Some think its insane we did not at least try for some reimbursement considering the services provided.

How soon people forget the cheers and video's of the statue of Saddam coming down. How soon people forget the many mass graves left behind by Saddam and Sons and the slaughter of the Kurd's and Sunni's. How soon they forget the invasion of Kuwait and the slaughter there under command of Saddam's son. How soon they forget that most killed were in fact killed in Muslim upon Muslim violence.

The Sunni's and Kurd's are in deep, deep trouble here. This is reminiscent of the end of the Vietnam War where after walking away 2 million were slaughtered if not more. Actions have real human consequences. But then if the Sunni's and Kurd's have to sacrifice their lives so Obama can be elected again, I guess that's on Obama's head.