Elenin spotted

Originally posted by dethduck

Originally posted by Lulzaroonie
Get off my internet. I thought we were done with this rubbish lol

LOL

the hell is this?
what the hell is ATS coming to?
this is not 4chan.
this is not your favorite xbox gaming site where you post pics of girls and lolcats... and then not comment on the subject of the thread...

the moderation in this forum has been severely lacking as of late.!!

to the subject at hand....
Elenin is on an elliptical orbit and interacts with the bodies it passes.
if you haven't seen the videos from south America and New Zealand about it - you should - before you think it's over!

Originally posted by GodlyHavoc
well i live in south florida at the very southern tip and while driving south on the dixie highway i saw what appeared to be a meteor it was a bright green object with a little trail on it it streaked across the sky at 10:30 eastern time oct/25/11 for a couple seconds and looked like it hit a couple miles off shore in the atlantic. it would be reasonable to think that this is part of the trail because of what happened in Australia
www.livescience.com...

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Because that Australian meteor was found to most probably be related to Comet 73P/Schwassmann–Wachmann 3, does not mean that the meteor that you saw has anything to do with Elenin.

Not sure if you read my earlier posts in this thread, but we know because of the distance between Elenin's orbit and Earth's orbit, that meteoroids from Elenin won't be anywhere near Earth's orbit this year, although they might in years to come. Today's computer modeling of meteoroid streams is very accurate compared to that before around a decade ago. I'll be happy to post some examples if you like.

Don't forget that there are many active meteoroid streams that do intersect Earth's orbit at this time of year, as well as random (or "sporadic" as they are known) meteors.

Another thing to note with regard to meteors, is that color is very subjective, and doesn't really mean a lot... unless you capture a spectrum by photographing a meteor through a diffraction grating. Basically any meteor can be green as long as it is above the threshold brightness at which our eyes can detect color. As the link you posted says, the color green is usually produced when a meteoroid slams into atmospheric Oxygen, something which I have been saying for years here on ATS. The "mystery" of green fireballs was solved long ago by meteor researchers.

Also, it's not uncommon for people to think they saw a meteor land or hit the ground, but we know that this is actually very rare, and that meteors can seem to be much lower and closer than they actually are.

Photographic studies of fireballs and meteors have confirmed this - no meteor has ever been photographed below around 20 km altitude. That does not mean a meteor is never luminous below this altitude, but that meteors that are, are extremely few and far between.

Indeed, whenever there is a large fireball/meteor that is seen by many people, it's common place for the local authorities to receive reports of something that "looked like it crashed to the ground not far away", but once reports have been investigated it inevitably turns out that the meteor was much further away and higher up than people reported. Often meteorites are found many 10's of km away from where people reported as seeing the meteor "hit the ground".

All of this is provable using simple physics/logic - We know that in order for a meteor to be luminous, the meteoroid must be traveling at a speed of around 1 km/s at least. Now if the meteor was so close to the observer, why were no sonic booms heard? The meteor must be breaking the sound barrier at such speeds, so it would be heard if it was within a few 10's of km.

Originally posted by ngchunter

Since when? This is not the first time a comet has disintegrated like this at perihelion.

it is the ONLY known comet with an orbital period over 1k years (out of like 1500 ish) that lies in the plane of the ecliptic.
it passed near the Sol and experienced some kind of magnetic interaction that either broke it or extinguished its coma.
it's orbit leaves it at roughly .250 AU from Earth for over three weeks: perfect for observation.

there is no other known comet like it.

it is without precedence.i find this curious

Originally posted by woogleuk

then I can't help you.

i am not asking for your help. i am poking holes in established theory. how does arguing with me 'help' me? if u wanted to help you would find more data that sheds more light on the discussion at hand.

not tell me u can't help me...

You seem angry..are you angry?

i am angry actually. i am angry at the blindness and the greed, the flippant responses to unknown phenomenon, with answers that clearly demonstrate a lack of knowledge and experience.

the general lack of openness.

do some reading on how the universe works, physics and maybe a slap of chemistry.

i am a licensed mechanical engineer making money as a failure analyst. I follow nearly every branch of science. i own my own machine shop and build devices that are as modern as any u've seen and some that would blow your mind.

i am not speaking from ignorance.

Lay off the energy drinks too.....

i wouldn't drink that stuff if you paid me.

Originally posted by Dashdragon

I think there's some fundamental principle

you mean hypothesis

there's no where near enough pressure to maintain a liquid state in interplanetary space.

deep impact found the comet body to be warm enough for liquid water : on the comet, not in the tail. None was actually found tho. it was simply the complex organic compounds sampled..the same that cannot form without water.. that implied liquid water. The estimates put the comet nucleus at 6% water. 6%

The ices of a comet sublimate directly from solid to gas as they heat up when they get closer to the sun.

The was NO ice found on the comet nucleus. Very dry 'talcum powder like' DUST heavy in complex compounds. no ice.
The largest coma ever seen surrounded a comet while it was out past Jupiter.
Jupiter.

'technically' be larger than Jupiter, or even the sun itself, it's like comparing a bowling ball to a balloon.

there is no technically: size is size. but yes comparing a coma to the sun is like comparing a bowling ball to a balloon.
and: a Sun sized balloon still has a shizzle ton of matter in it.

As far as your arguments regarding organics, I'm not even sure where you're trying to lead people with that, but you might want to look up what organics means.

organic material are complex hydrocarbons and clays. not life. tho life is made up of organic materials. The point is: its NOT ice!!!

sheesh.

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You keep talking about requiring proof, but you have no proof of an electrical interaction between Elenin and the Sun. What you have is a CME. CME's are not rare and this is not the first time a comet has been hit by one. Also, it is not the only long period comet that "lies in the plane of the ecliptic." Both Comet Lulin and C/1980 E1 have orbital periods over 1,000 years and have inclinations comparable to Elenin.

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If you are going to argue science you should make sure to understand the subject before presenting "facts".

Water can only take the form of gas or solid in space, there is not enough pressure for it to exist in its liquid form.

Originally posted by Xcalibur254

Both Comet Lulin and C/1980 E1 have orbital periods over 1,000 years and have inclinations comparable to Elenin.

there are two comets called Lulin: one at over 10deg and another at 5deg. The 5deg comet doesn't even come closer than Earths orbit: no deep solar interaction then.

C/1980 E1 does indeed have a an orbit in plane at 1.66deg. But it has no listed orbital period, doesn't come much closer than Jupiter and was discovered in Sept of this year....

Neither are nearly as interesting as an in plane comet that got nailed by a CME and then spends 3 weeks flying past us practically next door.

how can this NOT be interesting?
lets just watch this thing and see what it does?

instead of arguing over theory we should be taking pictures and making sense of them.

do u have no curiosity?

As far as asking for proof: i'm not asking for proof that EU is correct, i'm asking for proof that 'iceball' theory is correct. I'm asking for data... DATA... that supports that theory.

not kind hearted suggestions to "go read up on science'.

the data does not support the hypothosis.

no ice found.
no gas venting.
no water in physically samples comas
no explanation for complex organics found on the nucli and meteors
no explanation for the obvious interactions between sun and comets
no way to explain how hot the comets were
no way to explain the inferred liquid water

thats 0/7

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