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reply to post by sHuRuLuNi

I am what Abraham was, and what Moses was, and what Jesus was, and what Muhammad was - one who submits his will to Allah.

Uh, Jesus was a jew not a muslim and he created christianity not islam. I'm not going to argue semantics but how does islam believe Jesus Christ will be the messiah, but that he is not already?

Muhammad was a madman who practically bathed in blood with his bloodlust and his "convert or kill" doctrine. Jesus Christ preached to "love your enemies as you love your neighbors". Jesus also preached "if you live by the sword you shall die by the sword" and "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" a.k.a. the golden rule. How do muslim expect to obey the messiah when he returns when they cannot obey him now? There are over 135 verses in the Qu'ran inciting muslim to murder, yet the Torah (first 5 books of the bible written by God and given to Moses) clearly states in the 6th commandment "thou shalt not murder"?

I just find it ironic that a people can claim to believe in God and follow his path when they can't even follow his simplest laws. Jesus was never about violence, he was about self sacrifice and suffering and serving others. He lived his life as an example because men were not living God's laws as according to God but as according to men.

reply to post by odinson


That guy is a false prophet, I don't care if he got a number correct on todays stock market, he talks of a vaccine being the mark of the beast, this is totally wrong and therefore it makes him a false prophet. Q

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by sHuRuLuNi

 

I am what Abraham was, and what Moses was, and what Jesus was, and what Muhammad was - one who submits his will to Allah.

Uh, Jesus was a jew not a muslim and he created christianity not islam. I'm not going to argue semantics but how does islam believe Jesus Christ will be the messiah, but that he is not already?

Muhammad was a madman who practically bathed in blood with his bloodlust and his "convert or kill" doctrine. Jesus Christ preached to "love your enemies as you love your neighbors". Jesus also preached "if you live by the sword you shall die by the sword" and "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" a.k.a. the golden rule. How do muslim expect to obey the messiah when he returns when they cannot obey him now? There are over 135 verses in the Qu'ran inciting muslim to murder, yet the Torah (first 5 books of the bible written by God and given to Moses) clearly states in the 6th commandment "thou shalt not murder"?

I just find it ironic that a people can claim to believe in God and follow his path when they can't even follow his simplest laws. Jesus was never about violence, he was about self sacrifice and suffering and serving others. He lived his life as an example because men were not living God's laws as according to God but as according to men.

FIRST: What did I write in the post before?

Right:

What did Jesus say?

"Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done."

So, Jesus submitted his will to God.

Muslim = to submit your will to God.

Do the math.

SECOND: Please stop posting nonsense. Jesus was a jew ethnically, but there was no religion called "judaism" in his time. The religion of Jesus was to submit his will to God. And I already explained what that means.

Jesus never "founded" Christianity. He never used the word "christian", nor did his followers.

THIRD: You say: "Muhammad was a madman who practically bathed in blood with his bloodlust and his "convert or kill" doctrine."

Shame on you.
Shame on you.
Shame on you.

There is no compulsion in religion. - Qur'an, 2:256

Do not even get started with the whole "kill the infidels" supposed verses in the Qur'an. It has been done to the death (no pun intended) - and it has been explained and refuted and re-explained a thousand times - but some people just do not want to listen.

There is not a single verse in the Qur'an which orders muslims to "simply go out and kill" non-muslims. It would contradict the quoted verse above!

The verses you are thinking about (or better said: of which you read about in anti-islamic websites) have to do with specific historical events.

So please read them.

And DO NOT post stuff here like "Slay them wherever you find them!" without quoting the verses before and after.

I am sick of the amount of ignorance on these forums.

reply to post by lonewolf19792000


Muslims are going to follow the first Jesus to come which to us Christians is the Antichrist. Satan when cast from heaven by the Arch Angel Michael at the sixth trump will show up on state saying he is Jesus, Buddha Maitreya and all others . The muslims will follow his instead of Christ and be the army he needs to try and destroy the true Christians.


Where does the bible say Satan will stand proclaiming to be God ? The north end of the temple mount where the Dome of the Rock is. The rock is where the Ark of the Covenant sat when the Temple stood. The lid to the Ark is where the mercy seat is , the seat Satan always aspired to have.

Make no mistake about this , Islam will be the tool of Satan because they do not know the Antichrist comes first pretending to be Christ. They will follow him and will do his killing for him.

Originally posted by Noey777
reply to post by lonewolf19792000

 

Muslims are going to follow the first Jesus to come which to us Christians is the Antichrist. Satan when cast from heaven by the Arch Angel Michael at the sixth trump will show up on state saying he is Jesus, Buddha Maitreya and all others . The muslims will follow his instead of Christ and be the army he needs to try and destroy the true Christians.


Where does the bible say Satan will stand proclaiming to be God ? The north end of the temple mount where the Dome of the Rock is. The rock is where the Ark of the Covenant sat when the Temple stood. The lid to the Ark is where the mercy seat is , the seat Satan always aspired to have.

Make no mistake about this , Islam will be the tool of Satan because they do not know the Antichrist comes first pretending to be Christ. They will follow him and will do his killing for him.

And another one posting nonsense. We muslims DO KNOW that the "first" to come and claim to be the Messiah is indeed the Antichrist. So we shall not follow him.
How could we? If he claims to be God, no real muslim would follow him then - because there is only ONE God.

reply to post by Noey777


I never realized that it would be the muslim who would be the army fighting against the christians. Well islam certainly has enough warriors to do it with over a billion muslim if they chose to push the issue.

reply to post by sHuRuLuNi


Does you Koran tell you that Jesus will return and that Islam will follow him to convert all to be BELIEVERS ? The Antichrist will do mighty works making lighting come from the sky at his will amongst other impressive feats. Islam is not as a whole familiar enough with the viable to make this distinction so therefore your fellow muslims will follow the beast. I do not care if you believe me just remember all I wrote tonight, Satan will be claiming to be Jesus and he will stand in the dome of the rock and say he is God and not just Muslims will believe him , the. Vast majority of christians and Jews and non believers will follow him because he will be very convincing.

Originally posted by Noey777
reply to post by sHuRuLuNi

 

Does you Koran tell you that Jesus will return and that Islam will follow him to convert all to be BELIEVERS ? The Antichrist will do mighty works making lighting come from the sky at his will amongst other impressive feats. Islam is not as a whole familiar enough with the viable to make this distinction so therefore your fellow muslims will follow the beast. I do not care if you believe me just remember all I wrote tonight, Satan will be claiming to be Jesus and he will stand in the dome of the rock and say he is God and not just Muslims will believe him , the. Vast majority of christians and Jews and non believers will follow him because he will be very convincing.

Do you even realize what you are writing?

Do you know what SHIRK is?

God can forgive EVERY SIN except ONE: Shirk.

Whoever commits shirk is condemned with ETERNAL HELL. Never will he come out. NEVER.


So, we, the most stench monotheists in the world will all of a sudden believe a man who says he is God?

Seriously?

THE MOMENT he says he is God - WE WILL KNOW he is DAJAL - the Deceiver - the Antichrist!

No real muslim in the world will ever follow him!

Do you think we care if he does miracles and mighty things? Really? WE DO NOT CARE THE LEAST BIT.

We know what will happen - we have clear cut prophecies about this.


Let me give you just one of those prophecies:

"He (dajjal/Antichrist) will then call someone in the flush of youth, strike him with the sword, cut him into two pieces and make these pieces lie at the distance. He will then call (that young man) and he will come forward laughing with his face gleaming (with happiness). He will then ask him "Do you NOW believe that I am your Lord?" - and the young boy will say "Now I am really certain that you are Dajjal (THE DECEIVER)!"


We know that when someone comes and does many miracles and mighty works and claims to be the Messiah and later on even claim to be God - then we know for sure that it is Antichrist.


here is a part from an article of mine about the Antichrist:

Who is Dajjal?

Dajjal, according to islamic tradition is an apocaliptic figure, who will present himself as Messiah, will perform miracles and great signs, will DECEIVE people into believing in him, by saying that he is for peace and justice, while establishing one world religion - which in reality will be the opposite - he will thus be directly against God, promoting himself as God. The basic root word Dajjala means "to cover", as in covering something with a cloth - so, Dajjal, the synonimous biblical Antichrist - will cover our eyes with deception, hiding his true nature and presenting evil as good.

He will talk of peace and justice, but in reality he will prepare the world for a tiranny. There are many hadiths - islamic traditions, sayings of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) - about Dajjal, and although one can never rely 100% on hadiths - contrary to Qur'an, which is the unchanged original Word of God - the fascinating descriptions given in those hadiths about this person/figure and the end times, show a remarkable picture of the world before Dajjals imminent emergence, which one can easily identify with what is happening today.

In a hadith, Muhammad (pbuh) said: "I warn you against him (i.e. the Dajjal) and there was no prophet but warned his nation against him. No doubt, Noah warned his nation against him but I tell you about him something of which no prophet told his nation before me. You should know that he is one-eyed, and Allah is not one-eyed." [3]

Full Article: islamise.me...

Very interesting 2180...quite close to my own date 2182. Your source is out by two years... I didn't need a book or the internet to tell me that. I experienced it first hand(clues in my name)..... As the soul is eternal death is never truly final, we simply move on to the next experience.

Jesus Christ never claimed to be God. However the entire old testament bible alludes to his true identity as Yahweh "the Lord" in person as prophecied by Isaiah and as revealed by John the Baptist. More than half the bible practically shoves it in your face to the point you have to either be blind or retarded to not get that message. I read them over and over and over until they slammed into me like a ton of bricks this summer and i had a giant epiphany of the truth.

Jesus did say things like "i and my father are One", and as in the case of his trial by the pharisees he said "I AM the truth, the life and the way, no one comes to the father but through me" and "anything the father can do, the son can" . Jesus had alot of "I AM" titles and it's why the pharisees wanted to kill him, because they claimed he blasphemed.

John 1:1 "in the beginning there was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God"

ISAIAH'S PROPHESY ABOUT JOHN THE BAPTIST: Isaiah 40:3 prophesied that he would be "A voice of one calling In the desert prepare the way for the LORD" .

John and Isaiah have alot to say about Jesus.

This link has some interesting things to say about Jesus.

www.northbrookbc.org...

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
Jesus Christ never claimed to be God. However the entire old testament bible alludes to his true identity as Yahweh "the Lord" in person as prophecied by Isaiah and as revealed by John the Baptist. More than half the bible practically shoves it in your face to the point you have to either be blind or retarded to not get that message. I read them over and over and over until they slammed into me like a ton of bricks this summer and i had a giant epiphany of the truth.

Jesus did say things like "i and my father are One", and as in the case of his trial by the pharisees he said "I AM the truth, the life and the way, no one comes to the father but through me" and "anything the father can do, the son can" . Jesus had alot of "I AM" titles and it's why the pharisees wanted to kill him, because they claimed he blasphemed.

John 1:1 "in the beginning there was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God"

ISAIAH'S PROPHESY ABOUT JOHN THE BAPTIST: Isaiah 40:3 prophesied that he would be "A voice of one calling In the desert prepare the way for the LORD" .

John and Isaiah have alot to say about Jesus.

This link has some interesting things to say about Jesus.

www.northbrookbc.org...

Oh I know all that very well.

But, just try to be objective - did you EVER stop to think: What if what you read in "John" is not actually from John the Disciple.
What if, as is now very well known, "John" (who has the most "I AM " sayings and a very different picture of Jesus than the synoptic Gospels) was actually written some time in the year 90 or so - basically ALL SCHOLARS agree to this now.
So, whoever this "John" was - he wrote 60 years AFTER Jesus was gone - and AFTER the pauline doctrine was firmly established.
Have you ever considered that?
Have you ever read something about that?
What if "John" - as ALL SCHOLARS KNOW NOW - is an anonymous apologetic writing - solely written for the purpose of apologetics and presenting Jesus not like he was, but rather like how "John" wanted him to be?

When you STOP for a moment and COMPARE all the Gospels to each other and find all the differences, contradictions and changes - then you must be objective and consider the possibility (oh horror!) that what you are reading today is only a writ of ANONYMOUS (unknown!) people who wrote CONJECTURE and "fixed" the scripture to their "liking" - changing, inventing and deleting things which did not serve THEIR personal agenda.

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I didnt think that number was a date\year. It was what he thought the dow was going to drop to. He failed as the dow dropped around 200 to 11,706.62

reply to post by sHuRuLuNi

God can forgive EVERY SIN except ONE: Shirk

I'm not going to pretend to know what shirk is, but according to Jesus the only unforgiveable sin is the blasphemy the Holy Spirit.

Matthew 12:22-32 Then a demon-oppressed man who was blind and mute was brought to him, and he healed him, so that the man spoke and saw. And all the people were amazed, and said, “Can this be the Son of David?” But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, “It is only by Beelzebul, the prince of demons, that this man casts out demons.” Knowing their thoughts, he said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself is laid waste, and no city or house divided against itself will stand. And if Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand? And if I cast out demons by Beelzebul, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they will be your judges. But if it is by the Spirit of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you. Or how can someone enter a strong man's house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? Then indeed he may plunder his house. Whoever is not with me is against me, and whoever does not gather with me scatters. Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

To blasphemy the Holy Spirit or to speak out against him, or make fun of him or to disbelieve him or slander him, will be the sin you cannot ever be forgiven for in this life or the next. How do you blasphemy the Holy Spirit? By scoffing at the truth's he reveals and the miracles he works. One of which is that Jesus Christ is the Lord and our savior, the messiah.

So you see by denying that Jesus Christ is the messiah now you have commited the unforgiveable sin and have just sealed your own doom. Jesus was not just a prophet, he is the Lord (Yahweh) and it was by him that all things were created.

Originally posted by Toldyouso
reply to post by DreamerOracle

 

I didnt think that number was a date\year. It was what he thought the dow was going to drop to. He failed as the dow dropped around 200 to 11,706.62

Surprised, anyone?

I shall use your nickname for this purpose: Told you so.

reply to post by sHuRuLuNi


The gospel of John was written by Andrew and Simon Peter, John's 2 disciples who John commanded to become Jesus' disciples. The books written by the 12 apostles were originally the 12 disciples of Jesus, they remembered and wrote down everything that Jesus taught them for the future generations of jewish believers. It was Saul of Tarsus (Apostle Paul) and Barnabas (another apostle/disciple of Jesus) he began to preach the word to the gentiles at Antioch.

reply to post by sHuRuLuNi


With all do respect to you is not one of the 99 names you ascribe to Allah is " the great deceiver ".. You seem to be learned and this being said I can only plant a seed , it is up to the soil and weather or not God allows the early and latter rains for the seed of truth to grow. You have chosen a path to follow the great deceiver

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion that they should believe a lie .

I pray for all who have been deceived by the lie you were born into, the. Tribulation has began and the age of man is almost finished , your lie will be exposed but by the grace of God and His son Jesus there will be a millennial rein of Our Lord and Savior Jesus who will have His Elect, His Zadok teach all those who believed not the truth.

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
So you see by denying that Jesus Christ is the messiah now you have commited the unforgiveable sin and have just sealed your own doom. Jesus was not just a prophet, he is the Lord (Yahweh) and it was by him that all things were created.

And here we go again.

Please use your mind. God gave you one for a reason.

1. We do not deny that Jesus is Messiah. He was and IS the Messiah. Is it clear enough now, or should I write that in bold?

2. Jesus said the Shema: "Hear o Israel, the Lord, OUR God, the Lord is ONE"

He did not say "Hey, listen dudes, I AM THE LORD". nor did he say "Worship me".

If you ignore what I wrote above - and not start comparing the Gospels - do not blame me on the Day of Judgement when Jesus will say this to you:

"Depart from me you evildoers!"

Now why would he say that?

He explains it himself:

Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Matthew, 7:21

Only he who does the will of God (check above what does muslim mean again) will enter Paradise.

He goes on:

Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?'

So, be sure to keep prophesying in the name of Jesus ...

In short: Those who prophesy, do miracles, heal the sick, whatever IN THE NAME OF JESUS - are those who call him "LORD" and are the same ones WHO DO NOT SUBMIT THEIR WILL TO GOD therefore Jesus will tell them:

Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

Originally posted by sHuRuLuNi

Originally posted by Toldyouso
reply to post by DreamerOracle

 

I didnt think that number was a date\year. It was what he thought the dow was going to drop to. He failed as the dow dropped around 200 to 11,706.62

Surprised, anyone?

I shall use your nickname for this purpose: Told you so.

Actually the figures i had was -217 , but thats symentics. Plus its Wednesday, so i am from the future *waves hands*, by the way the weather is terrible.... , your lucky lotto numbers are 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8, and you wont win, but you will win a headache

Originally posted by Noey777
reply to post by sHuRuLuNi

 

With all do respect to you is not one of the 99 names you ascribe to Allah is " the great deceiver ".. You seem to

No it's not. As I said, stop copy pasting lies.
You are talking about God here. In your place I would be a little bit more careful.
The name you are referring to is "Al-Muakhkhir" and it means "The Deferrer/Delayer" - The One who puts things in their right places.
He makes ahead what He wills and delays what He wills.

reply to post by lonewolf19792000


The gospel of John was not written by Simon Peter , it was written by John hence the gospel of John , and he also wrote the book of Revelation .

2Timothy 3:16. All scriptures given by inspiration of GOD
And is profitable for doctrine , for reproof , for correction
And for instruction in righteousness .

The only problem with the bible is some of the translation, and I am referring to a King James Bible all others have been corrupted by Satans children . A kjv bible with a strongs concordance can be brought back to it's original language whereas we can Rightly divide the word of truth , a workman need not be ashamed doing so.