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What's under Georges Trench Coat?

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posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 11:49 AM
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In the Roman republic the symbol represented the power of the state over the military. The people were represented by the reed bundle and military by the axe. In times of war the axe would be unleashed and the military given full reign to resolve the militray crisis. Roman Legions were not to cross the Rubicon river as that would indicate an intentio to seize power in Rome. To furthur symbolize this the axe head was removed when the bundle was taken into a city. This symbol was literally carried with government representatives to indicate their power to speak for the republic. Its used in western symbolizm partly due to the Greek and Roamn revival period in architecture and partly to convey a continuation of the ancient ideals.



posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 12:11 PM
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Many thanks to all involved in this thread. I've found it to be both educational and thought provoking. Just one question though... How does one prounounce "fasces"? Also, am I the only one who first thought the word in the op was perhaps a misspelling of "fesces"??
Oh. Sorry. Serious stuff going on here, my bad...



posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 12:20 PM
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en.m.wikipedia.org...

The black shirts are an italian originated fascist group forming in post ww1/ ww2 days.



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posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 12:22 PM
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Originally posted by ShortMemory
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the real question is what is he hiding under that camel toe??

I gotta wonder why you were looking... 'Cause I errr didnt notice, at all...


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posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 12:43 PM
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That guy Jordan Maxwell goes in depth as to what the bundle of sticks and the hatchet head mean. Its a symbolism thing.

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posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 12:43 PM
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those are definately the roman fasces...its all over government emblems. I work for colorado and our state "seal" has the all seeing and and fasces on it...
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posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 01:02 PM
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Originally posted by Dragoon01

Roman Legions were not to cross the Rubicon river as that would indicate an intentio to seize power in Rome.


Is that why the Pentagon is located on of the opposite bank of the Potamic river as the Capital?




posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 01:11 PM
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A totalitarian government hiding under a cloak of sheer ignorance and lies. It's plain to see this now with that thing under the cover. I'd say its the hidden government, having secret agendas and lying such as elections, military "events" etc.

He knew. That Baphomet comparison shows that he was also into that dark stuff. A bunch of liars leading with evil intentions.



posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 01:15 PM
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Originally posted by R3N3G4D3

A totalitarian government hiding under a cloak of sheer ignorance and lies. It's plain to see this now with that thing under the cover. I'd say its the hidden government, having secret agendas and lying such as elections, military "events" etc.

He knew. That Baphomet comparison shows that he was also into that dark stuff. A bunch of liars leading with evil intentions.


Look at the bigger picture.

What is the price of peace?
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posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 02:00 PM
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It probably represented the two USAs he had to stitch back together, and that is why we see 2 on Lincoln's statue.

The absence of the axe may be to show that a nation divided isn't powerful?



posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 03:18 PM
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Originally posted by agentblue

I just did a little research and it was created in 1883 by a guy named John Quincy Adams Ward. So that leads credence to the idea that it could be a secret symbol that sets the tone after the "war of northern aggression" lol Civil War.... BRB with more artist info and who commissioned the statue
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OMG is that Ron Paul, is he immortal?



posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 03:33 PM
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Originally posted by BIGPoJo

Originally posted by agentblue

I just did a little research and it was created in 1883 by a guy named John Quincy Adams Ward. So that leads credence to the idea that it could be a secret symbol that sets the tone after the "war of northern aggression" lol Civil War.... BRB with more artist info and who commissioned the statue
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OMG is that Ron Paul, is he immortal?


The likeness of the two is remarkable.




posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 04:03 PM
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I don't get why you guys are shocked by this.
The US describes itself as a Republic (representative democracy) and is festooned with neo-classical architecture. You even have a senate.
And I think you can all see how Patricians and plebeians (1% and 99%) fit into the general scheme of things...



posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 04:05 PM
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Here's a little information in which ties together your claimes....

In regards to Baphomet.....

Baphomet (English pronunciation: /ˈbæfɵmɛt/, from medieval Latin Baphometh, baffometi, Occitan Bafometz) is a Pagan deity (i.e., a product of Christian folklore concerning pagans), revived in the 19th century as a figure of occultism and Satanism. It first appeared in 11th and 12th century Latin and Provençal as a corruption of "Mahomet", the Latinisation of "Muhammad",[1] but later it appeared as a term for a pagan deity in trial transcripts of the Inquisition of the Knights Templar in the early 14th century.

Oh there's the word Knights Templar


In mystic symbolism, the image of the hermaphroditic Baphomet is representative of the Great Oneness (the Universe/the One God), the dualistic nature, the Void and Manifest Existence, the association of the spiritual and the physical, and the undying Truths of Existence to be discovered in the pursuit of Light.

Oh snap, that supports the ideology that 'God' is both of good and evil, and in knowning this it is justifiable to commit acts of evil in the support of the greater good....
remind you of any current or previously practiced justifications in regards to means of actions of those who have had positions of power?

I'm not going to go any further into this topic, but i will say, try and understand before you jump to conclusions and deamonize the actions and justifications used by those who have molded our current situations...

Gain a true understanding, and then act accordingly, till then, just chill and become enlightened, or dare i say "Illuminated"



posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 04:16 PM
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Edit: I'm referencing John Quincy Adams, not John Quincy Adams Ward, I apologize for the error... I guess i was quick to associate the two, because for a while now i've seen the correlations between the two, so i was quick to jump on an opportunity to share what i believe ... again, sorry for the confusion...

I'm not all that familiar with John Quincy Adams Ward, and if there is any associations between the two in regards to historical recurrence, i will post accordingly

That's actually a pretty cool correlation, between John Adams and Ron Paul....
read the following...

In New York at this time the faction supporting President John Quincy Adams, called "Adams men," or the "Anti-Jackson" faction, were a very feeble organization, and shrewd political leaders at once determined to utilize the strong anti-Masonic feeling in creating a new and vigorous party to oppose the rising Jacksonian Democracy. In this effort they were aided by the fact that Andrew Jackson was a high-ranking Mason and frequently spoke in praise of the Order.

Ron Paul has always seemingly gone against the grain in regards to the progression of these initiatives set forth... having said this, I read that he is a Baptist
now read the following....

Baptist churches are widely considered to be Protestant churches, though some Baptists disavow this identity.[1]

Baptist- Diverse from their beginning, those identifying as Baptists today differ widely from one another in what they believe, how they worship, their attitudes toward other Christians, and their understanding of what is important in Christian discipleship.

Well when the peices fit, the puzzle becomes a clearer picture

As far as Ron Paul, or I suppose John Adams being immortal lol
I would place it on the idea of Historical Recurrance
read the following....

Historic recurrence is the repetition of similar events in history.[2] In the extreme, the concept hypothetically assumes the form of the Doctrine of Eternal Recurrence, which has been written about in various forms since antiquity and was described in the 19th century by Heinrich Heine[3] and Friedrich Nietzsche.[4]


having said all this, history, just like the construct of nature tends to follow the mathematics of Fractal Geometry

this is not to be confused with 100% replication of events, but rather a non-linear approach....meaning, that in the future there will be almost exact carbon copies, but they are just expansions of continuations of previous embodyments of spirit or soul.....I apologize for the lame explination, but I will be posting a thread in the near future outlining many examples of this, for I beleive I can prove it with out a doubt....

remember, we are the "new atlantis", what happened to the old atlantis, and why?
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posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 04:34 PM
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Not quite....
I think you'll find that was Eliphas Levi's rendition which was used to mould Lincoln on.
And the name doesn't come from Mohammed....
Here's my rendition, which sits above my desk about 3 feet by 3 feet - Bapho Metis



posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 04:37 PM
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In regards to the Fasces, yes it is
It is well known that this is what it is.... cmon now

Statue of George Washington at the site of his inauguration as first president of the United States, now occupied by Federal Hall National Memorial, includes a fasces to the subject's rear right.

US "Mercury" dime reverse.

The Mace of the United States House of Representatives, designed to resemble fasces.

The seal of the Senate. Note the crossed fasces at the bottom.

The Lincoln Memorial with the fronts of the chair's arms shaped to resemble fasces

The emblem of the Knights of Columbus

The seal of the Administrative Office of the United States Courts

Above the door to Chicago's City Hall

The list goes on and on and on, people act like all this is hidden from them
It's almost laughable when people have moments of revelations in just how straight up obvious the initiative has been since the beginning, people are finally waking up.....

Being that i'm only 24, it's very disheartening that the ignorance of people is at such great magnitude that by them simply conversing about these topics only amplifies the lack of true comprehension in regards to the facts and events that have been taking place....

I feel like i say this every time, but i will say it once more....

Before yall jump all over stuff, and pretened to understand how, when, who , why, and how.... maybe you should actually know these things before demonizing any of these people...

Stop fearing what you dont understand, gain an understanding, and then act accordingly...
To all you OWS'er out there, the words of the famous Ice Cube will set you free
"YOU BETTER CHECK YO SELF, BEFORE YOU WRECK YOURSELF....
Will I shoot or keep you guessin
[snip]

Interpret those lyrics, and find salvation in yourself....cmon now!
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posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 04:46 PM
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I'm not gonna lie, your rendition is pretty frackin cool

And those were not my own words in regards to the definition and historical account, that was straight from wiki for I am too lazy to dig deep inside my understanding and then attempt to relay my comprehension effectively...

In short, I agree with you



posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 04:53 PM
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Originally posted by MESSAGEFROMTHESTARS
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And those were not my own words in regards to the definition and historical account, that was straight from wiki for I am too lazy to dig deep inside my understanding and then attempt to relay my comprehension effectively...



i know the quote. It's been used many times before.
It's a dsitraction...
The truth is far more obvious and logical.
Levi's Baphomet has to be one of the most cliched images on the planet. Cool, but cliched.



posted on Oct, 25 2011 @ 05:28 PM
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Originally posted by MESSAGEFROMTHESTARS
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Edit: I'm referencing John Quincy Adams, not John Quincy Adams Ward, I apologize for the error... I guess i was quick to associate the two, because for a while now i've seen the correlations between the two, so i was quick to jump on an opportunity to share what i believe ... again, sorry for the confusion...

I'm not all that familiar with John Quincy Adams Ward, and if there is any associations between the two in regards to historical recurrence, i will post accordingly

That's actually a pretty cool correlation, between John Adams and Ron Paul....
read the following...

In New York at this time the faction supporting President John Quincy Adams, called "Adams men," or the "Anti-Jackson" faction, were a very feeble organization, and shrewd political leaders at once determined to utilize the strong anti-Masonic feeling in creating a new and vigorous party to oppose the rising Jacksonian Democracy. In this effort they were aided by the fact that Andrew Jackson was a high-ranking Mason and frequently spoke in praise of the Order.

Ron Paul has always seemingly gone against the grain in regards to the progression of these initiatives set forth... having said this, I read that he is a Baptist
now read the following....

Baptist churches are widely considered to be Protestant churches, though some Baptists disavow this identity.[1]

Baptist- Diverse from their beginning, those identifying as Baptists today differ widely from one another in what they believe, how they worship, their attitudes toward other Christians, and their understanding of what is important in Christian discipleship.

Well when the peices fit, the puzzle becomes a clearer picture

As far as Ron Paul, or I suppose John Adams being immortal lol

I would place it on the idea of Historical Recurrance


So Ron Paul opposes the view points of John Adams or does he?



But he looks like John Quincy Adams Ward

He has the exact same facial features as John Quincy Adams Ward


Is Ron Paul Immortal?


Originally posted by InformationAccount

Originally posted by BIGPoJo

Originally posted by agentblue

I just did a little research and it was created in 1883 by a guy named John Quincy Adams Ward. So that leads credence to the idea that it could be a secret symbol that sets the tone after the "war of northern aggression" lol Civil War.... BRB with more artist info and who commissioned the statue


OMG is that Ron Paul, is he immortal?


The likeness of the two is remarkable.


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