China to launch its first Mars probe next month (11/09/11)

China to launch its first Mars probe next month (11/09/11)

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China's first Mars probe Yinghuo 1 will blast off as part of a joint mission with Russia's unmanned Mars rover Phobos-Grunt from the Baikonour cosmodrome in Kazakhstan on Nov. 9.

This launch is Russia's first "journey to Mars" this century. Its last was in 1996. Russia's Mars rover Phobos-Grunt was shipped to the Baikonour cosmodrome on Oct. 17.

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Is it just me, or is it more than a little odd that this coincides with YU55's flyby and the FEMA test?

The launch will include the LIFE experiment that you can read about here:
en.wikipedia.org...
Which sounds like an attempt to seed a planet to me.

What do you think? Is it related?



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Future Headline -

LIFE Project Crashes on Surface of Mars, Scientists Ready New Probe to Study Organisms That May Survive
LIFE on Mars, Extremophiles Thriving on Surface
Green Mars? A Possibility Say Scientists
Radiation Afflicting Life on Mars, Causing Mutations
Genesis on Mars? New Study Finds Atmosphere Thickening From Micro Organisms
NASA - Manned Mission to Study Life on Mars Ready for Launch Next Month

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I see all that military and industrial espionage, coupled with their constant copyright / patent infringments are finally paying off for them.

Maybe they will release info of what they find on Mars.

Originally posted by sbctinfantry
Future Headline -

LIFE on Mars, Extremophiles Thriving on Surface

I hope Russia, China, and any other countries that send probes to Mars are careful to make sure they are completely sterile, no small feat.

It would be a disappointment to discover life on Mars only to find out it was simply contamination from a probe sent from Earth.

Originally posted by Arbitrageur

Originally posted by sbctinfantry
Future Headline -

LIFE on Mars, Extremophiles Thriving on Surface

I hope Russia, China, and any other countries that send probes to Mars are careful to make sure they are completely sterile, no small feat.

It would be a disappointment to discover life on Mars only to find out it was simply contamination from a probe sent from Earth.

Would it be such a dissapointment? I think that it would prove the rugged nature of life, and it's ability to thrive all over the universe. In fact, I think it would call for a global day of celebration. I would be drunk in the streets and I'm counting my years left from liver disease.

I should only be so lucky to see undeniable proof of life on another planet. The kind of security and hope that would give me for my childrens' great grandchildren would be unmeasurable. A new frontier to escape the powerbrokers and step outside the box (or sphere) into new frontiers. To boldly go where we once spilled biohazard materials before.

The article says there was extensive testing done to ensure that this didn't happen once it arrives within range and that is all the proof I need to conclude that crashing these organisms on the planet was the plan all along. In fact, only one of two scenarios are plausible because I understand human nature.

a) This experiment will begin when the pod crashes to the surface of Mars, and that was the plan all along by either the original scientists or whomever the funding is coming from.

b) The experiment will release some of the organisms in a clandestine manner so as to not stir up controversy, and then aim to be the first to detect them on the surface alive.

I'm just going to pretend YU55 is not out there when I say:

Go China!

Go Russia!

I don't care who does the exploring as long as someone does it!

Exploration of space should be mankind's #1 long term goal.
Without it, we will be gone in the blink of an eye in cosmic terms.

Originally posted by sbctinfantry
Would it be such a dissapointment? I think that it would prove the rugged nature of life, and it's ability to thrive all over the universe.

Disappointment is an understatement. We already know the rugged nature of life so proving that won't help anything we don't already know.

On the other hand, finding life on Mars that didn't come from contamination of a probe from Earth would be one of the most important discoveries ever.

One burning question for example, would be whether Mars had its own biogenesis, and if Mars life and Earth life are genetically unrelated the answer would be yes.

If life found on Mars, not from Earth probes was found to be genetically related to Earth life, then it would confirm the panspermia theory that life might have come to Earth from a Mars rock.

These are important questions.

Contaminating Mars might irreparably destroy our chances of answering these questions. So it would actually be much worse than disappointing, it would be a disaster for scientific discovery.

See the COSPAR planetary protection policy:

cosparhq.cnes.fr...

States Parties to the Treaty shall pursue studies of outer space, including the Moon and other celestial bodies, and conduct exploration of them so as to avoid their harmful contamination and also adverse changes in the environment of the Earth resulting from the introduction of extraterrestrial matter, and where necessary, shall adopt appropriate measures for this purpose.

Category IVc. For missions which investigate martian special regions (see definition below), even if they do not include life detection experiments, all of the requirements of Category IVa apply, along with the following requirement:

∑ Case 1. If the landing site is within the special region, the entire landed system shall be sterilized at least to the Viking post-sterilization biological burden levels.

∑ Case 2. If the special region is accessed though horizontal or vertical mobility, either the entire landed system shall be sterilized to the Viking post-sterilization biological burden levels, OR the subsystems which directly contact the special region shall be sterilized to these levels, and a method of preventing their recontamination prior to accessing the special region shall be provided.

If an off-nominal condition (such as a hard landing) would cause a high probability of inadvertent biological contamination of the special region by the spacecraft, the entire landed system must be sterilized to the Viking post-sterilization biological burden levels.

That is intended to be used to upgrade the

, Outer Space Treaty of 1967which also talks about avoiding contamination but it's not as specific.

It's good to see space exploration stories amongst all this madness.

Why do we care if we find other life on Mars not derived from Earth? I want to get off this rock ASAP!

We should start looking for other lifeforms after we can ensure within reason our own survival.

Originally posted by sbctinfantry
Why do we care if we find other life on Mars not derived from Earth? I want to get off this rock ASAP!

We should start looking for other lifeforms after we can ensure within reason our own survival.

We care because questions about the origin of life are some of the biggest unanswered questions in science.

Some people don't believe the story of Adam and Eve and would like a scientific account to replace it, but we really don't have answers about abiogenesis.

Confirming life evolved separately on Mars would not only help answer questions about the origin of life on Earth, but it would say a lot about the likelihood of finding life elsewhere in the universe by showing that what happened on Earth wasn't just a freak accident.

I suspect that Mars will be colonized eventually at which point contamination will probably be inevitable, but we should try to answer some important scientific questions before that happens, so we shouldn't contaminate it prematurely.

Even if you don't care, many people do care.