OWS: A rally against common sense from the “Mommy told me I’m special generation”

Originally posted by theovermensch
Nuke the whales

So, since you think the government may take over everything, we should beat them to it? I take it you're in favor of nukes and environmental rape by your statement. How would your coup produce anything better than what we have now? If the revolution becomes violent, the protesters will get exactly what they deserve. I will consider those wounds "self inflicted".

reply to post by nightbringr

Hitler was more of a Socialist than a Communist.Anyway,I transcend these labels.I am against Central Banks, most Socialist and Communists systems have them.I am not a red under the bed at all.Corporations should be in the public interest is what I believe.

reply to post by gentledissident

No,I am saying if I am a communist then your founding fathers where too and your current government is as well because communism is its safety net.And no I do not want to rape the environment,I am against crony capitalism and the way green people are tricked into having their causes hijacked by governments and corporations and used against the people like what has happened in Australia with them passing a Carbon Tax.Just like how your government keeps giving grants to companys like solyndra.I am all for solar power and alternate energy but we dont have to be hysterical about it and reduce our standard of living for the environment.There are better solutions than a buying carbon credits.

Originally posted by theovermensch
reply to post by nightbringr

 

Hitler was more of a Socialist than a Communist.Anyway,I transcend these labels.I am against Central Banks, most Socialist and Communists systems have them.I am not a red under the bed at all.Corporations should be in the public interest is what I believe.

Thats the second time in three posts you have compared what you would like to do with Hitlers policies and actions. I take back everything i said about you being a closet commie. Your "for the people" rhetoric is what threw me off.

You need to make your fascist leanings more obvious and substitute "for the people" with "for the greater good of the nation".

Originally posted by theovermensch
reply to post by nenothtu

 

I dont speak for anyone.Just some of what I hope happens.I just think its strange that everyone thinks the movement cant get things done.There are many examples throughout history where abrupt,radical change was brought about. Maybe your 'Super Commitee' will fix things but I doubt it.Your country and the world needs abrupt radical change.

Yessir, I understand that you don't speak for anyone else. as a matter of fact, everything I've been able to find on OWS indicates that no one speaks for them, which is fine I suppose, since no one can figure out what they want to talk about anyhow. One says one thing, one says another, and the entire conglomerate is each pulling in a different direction,

The fact remains that the "public" seizure of private enterprise - what they call "government ownership of the means of production" - is a thoroughly collectivist concept. I seem to be haring a lot more of that sort of talk, as well as calls for violence, out of these peaceful protestors and their supporters. I'm not surprised. That's precisely what the model I linked to above predicts for this "movement" if collectivists are the real force behind it.

OWS can CLAIM it's "non-partisan" all it wants, but if that's the case the "other side" of the political spectrum found somewhere within it needs to get a LOT more vocal if they expect to be heard at all. Otherwise, they will be drowned out and assimilated as mere "muscle" to beef us the "movement" by the collectivists.

Now, regarding this:

There are many examples throughout history where abrupt,radical change was brought about.

I am aware of that. "Abrupt, radical change" of precisely the sort planned here is where I got my very first real, serious scars. That was where and why I started looking into the matter of of how and why these "movements" run, which resulted in the condensed post I linked to above. That was slightly over 30 years ago. Some times, the more things change, the more they remain the same. I had to learn that lesson hard, and now there is an entire new generation that will have to learn it all over again it seems, since they can't seem to listen to us old farts that have already invented that wheel.

A girl I was rather fond of was flat out killed by those "revolutionaries", and imagine my surprise when I saw her face posted all over placards in yet other demonstrations in another country when the "movement" started up there, as an example of "police brutality". She wasn't killed by the "authorities". These "movements" NEED martyrs to play on the public conscience, and they'll get them wherever and however they can.

There IS hope, however. Not all of this new generation coming up is quite as clueless. My son has once of those iPod gadgets. He mentioned the other day that he has a copy of "The Communist Manifesto" on it. I immediately got suspicious, based on what I've read at ATS, and asked "what the hell are you reading THAT for?".

He replied "well, you always told us to 'know our enemies', and they're coming. I have to get up to speed." He lives 400 miles away, so it's not something he overheard me say - it's something he's already seen for himself. I've tried to teach him how to think for himself and evaluate things on his own. I've never tried to influence him in matters of religion or politics, on the theory that if he can evaluate things on his own, he doesn't need me to micromanage how he thinks - he can reach his own conclusions, since mine may not be right for him.

This seems to be the conclusion he came to as well in this instance. There IS hope.

I don't have a "Super Committee". It's not "mine". As a matter of fact, it sounds a LOT like a Politburo in the making. That's collectivism in action for you. Think hard about that before just rolling with the Tides.

Hitler also gave tax breaks,introduced social benefits,provided food for the hungry,payed soldiers double the salary of the British and Americans and he didnt raise taxes for working class people in his 12 years in power.He emphasized economic self-sufficiency.I like alot of things about Hitler.That doesnt mean there arent some pretty obvious things I dont like about him.And yes I agree with him on governments having the right to issue orders to corporations.Corporations arent the problem,it is the government.The United States has the most advanced military It is the military that the movement must convince.And they wont do that unless they at some point find a leader and find solutions that convince the population.Some people want to see some bankers politicians go to jail.I dont believe in war trials.All I want is for the people at the top to ensure that every human has their basic needs met.The contrast between MTV Cribs and Somalia is too great.The world needs goals.Consumer Confidence shouldnt be the difference between life and death.Even squirels store food for the winter.I think after every human has their basic needs met then capitalism can go nuts.Until then we should be ashamed.Fixing the world is very doable it just is not profitable.There should be an International Resource Fund that aims at making Nations/the Globe self sufficient so that we are all protected from economic collapse.It should be funded by corperations/banks and be need based,not political.Economy should be secondary.And we need a truly global economy with a global basic minimum wage or we all need to close our borders.If America changes its ways it will trickle down to the rest of the empire.If not wanting to live in a world where people starve to death makes me a fascist nazi then.....Zieghail!

Originally posted by radosta

When/if the zombie hoards come, we need to gather like minded citizens to protect each other from them. But I wouldn't worry too much. Look at any youtube video of those crowds. Doubt many have spent a single day at the range.

Oddly, perhaps, I crawled out of my coffin just in time yesterday evening to catch a "documentary" on zombies on the History Channel last night. 'Tis the season for that sort of thing, I suppose. One of the points made in that show was that zombies aren't really all that dangerous, taken in small doses. You can whoop just one with one hand while eating a sandwich with the other hand. You can whoop 5 or 10 by just outrunning them.

The danger of zombies is that they travel in hordes like the Mongols. They are slow and unarmed (except for those teeth!), but relentless. In sufficient mass, they will surround you and take you out, even though they are unarmed and peaceful, and only want to eat your brains. I mean, hell, they're zombies for chrissakes! They don't really what to hurt you, they only want to eat your brain. the problem is, while they don't want to hurt you, they don't care if it hurts you in the process. Some of the more entertaining zombies only want to bite you and make YOU a zombie, too.

While tongue in cheek, the analysis has REAL psychological and historical factors behind it, projected on to a fictional vehicle. There is a LOT to be learned about collectivist behavior by watching zombie flicks.

Make sure you have a barricaded and defensible spot for the Last Stand, should it come to that. Get your posse organized now, because sometimes it's hard to know who to trust when you bounce into one another on the fly...

Originally posted by gentledissident

Originally posted by theovermensch
I agree with you that consumers/the public have been somewhat complicit.

There's an understatement. How would the machine run without our participation?

That I agree with. Don't complain of bears invading your camp if you're feeding them to draw them in.

Originally posted by theovermensch
Despite Apple being trendy and greedy, they have made steps toward being green. There needs to be a color for freeing the slaves. How about blue?

The color schemes are still confusing for us old timers. Prior to the election of 2000, "blue" stood for the "right", and "red" stood for the "left" - everything from democrat to communist along that spectrum. Ever seen a Soviet flag? red field. Abruptly and inexplicably, around the election of 2000, the colors swapped. "Red" states suddenly became blue ones, and vice versa.

this is what happens when a Generation of video game players (from birth) put down their controllers and realize they may have to WORK for a living.

reply to post by nenothtu


I dont think people will support it if it turns violent.I wont.As far as I know it is peaceful.I agree people calling for violence are crazy.We cant beat the police or the military.We need to focus on hearts and minds.

reply to post by nenothtu


We arent feeding the bears,they are stealing from our picni basket.The machine runs itself because we have no real say in how it runs.That is what we want.

We've been sleeping with the bears.

Originally posted by theovermensch
reply to post by nenothtu

 

I dont think people will support it if it turns violent.I wont.As far as I know it is peaceful.I agree people calling for violence are crazy.We cant beat the police or the military.We need to focus on hearts and minds.

I'll post this link again, just for you, to the mega-post I made about my early observations of OWS. I don't believe that the majority of the protestors are "evil" - I believe they really mean well, but are increasingly being used as "muscle" for leverage by inimical forces.

I think that the "movement" was initiated by collectivists, and the initial confusion as to the "message" was an early effort to collect as many bodies from as many parts of the political spectrum as possible for use as leverage. The real directorship is still in the shadows, but more and more "mid level managers" are stepping to the fore in an effort to direct the herd. The increase in collectivist rhetoric and calls for violence are evidence of that.

The problem is, by the time it turns to actual violence, it may be too late to stem the Tides without turning to violent response, and that is standard practice among collectivist movements. Collect the "masses", point them in a direction, and unleash them in an effort to provoke a violent response, which is then used as evidence of "corruption" in government, and heavy handedness. Note that they provoke violent response, then turn that response to their advantage.

Collectivist make very good use of that herd instinct, the "hive mind", the "mob mentality". It's not necessary to micromanage the "movement" if you can collect a critical mass, ramp them up, and give them a target at just the right time. The mob takes it from there,"undirected". Violence ensues, which is then fed back into the system in order to provoke even more violence, in a sort of feedback loop that increases the strength of the Tides as they roll along.

That is the danger of unbridled "democracy" that the Founding fathers railed against and insured us against. The same Founding Fathers which you referred to above as "communist". Their take on democracy was two wolves and one sheep, voting on what's for lunch.

News today: Oakland. Keep that in mind when you read what I just wrote, and the other post I linked to should you decide to read that, noticing the date it was written, back in the "peaceful protests" era.

ETA more news today. Atlanta. Assault rifle. Peaceful, eh?

Originally posted by theovermensch
reply to post by nenothtu

 

We arent feeding the bears,they are stealing from our picni basket.The machine runs itself because we have no real say in how it runs.That is what we want.

this is why you don't leave your picnic basket on the ground and open. That IS feeding the bears, same as trying to hand it to them is.

make another machine. Leave the bears be, and let them starve to death when they aren't taking your food. It's the way of nature.

What is the intrinsic value of gold? The same intrinsic value of paper - none. The only value it has is the value YOU place upon it. Find other values or valuables, and leave the old to the old bears. See how long they last when all they have to eat is cold metal and paper.

A word of caution - guard against new bears rising up to snatch away your new valuables.

Originally posted by gentledissident
We've been sleeping with the bears.

Indeed we have, and now we want to complain of the fleas caught thereby. Better solution: don't sleep with the bears to begin with. Let them gather their own grub out of the woods, don't bait them in with yours.

reply to post by NorthStreet1


Yes - you are right about putting down their electronic toys.
Who gave them the electronic toys?
Who encouraged them to buy the electronic toys?

Do not place blame on the youth of today - in particular blame for what we gave them that makes you very narcissistic. Narcissists love to push the blame onto anyone. People - that is all of humanity have to be responsible for what is happening. Until we all take a collective blame for the state of the planet - we will be going nowhere. The cabal/illuminati/whatever may be leading the mess but that is purely because we let them lead.

Occupy Wall Street and everywhere else are examples of people finding their way back from being asleep and manipulated - they are trying to find answers. Anyone who cannot see that is probably still asleep and everyone will be awaiting for you when you wake up.

Much Peace...

Much Peace...

Thought you folks might get something form this link, to add to the discussion

clashradio.com...

what an inane post, op. wow.


were you asleep during the housing market crash? were you asleep when the banks were bundling mortgages as securities and selling them as fast as they could, selling to retirement funds, etc knowing they were going to default and be worth pennies on the dollar, while advising their clients they were sound investments?

have you been asleep the past 40 years, during which wages havent risen AT ALL for the working class, despite the price index rising times over and productivity through the roof? remember when a one income household could thrive? probably not

you are truly asleep. this is a generation that is awake to the reality of the scam that this country has become.

enjoy your rest.

Originally posted by thedeadlyrhythm
what an inane post, op. wow.


were you asleep during the housing market crash? were you asleep when the banks were bundling mortgages as securities and selling them as fast as they could, selling to retirement funds, etc knowing they were going to default and be worth pennies on the dollar, while advising their clients they were sound investments?

have you been asleep the past 40 years, during which wages havent risen AT ALL for the working class, despite the price index rising times over and productivity through the roof? remember when a one income household could thrive? probably not

you are truly asleep. this is a generation that is awake to the reality of the scam that this country has become.

enjoy your rest.

"This generation" has been trained since birth to react and be easily manipulated. So much so they don't even know it. Have fun ensuring the elite still rule, bud. You are being used. And it s obvious

Originally posted by Ultraman2011
Thought you folks might get something form this link, to add to the discussion

clashradio.com...

Your use of the word 'discussion' leads me to believe that you think yourself to be at least as intelligent as supporters of the OWS movement.

You are mistaken.

Your complete inability to understand what the OWS movement stands for indicated to me that perhaps your parents were cousins. A truly intelligent person would understand the oppositions point of view even if they don't agree with it.

You display no such knowledge about the OWS movement.

Open your eyes... The world is changeing around us...