Why Some Will Never Understand The Bible.

I want to start by saying that I am not writing this to prove that the Bible is real. The only point here is to help people understand why they are having trouble understanding what is written in the Bible. Most people who open the Bible for the first time and try to read it with a normal mind will usually find it hard to understand. I mean, the long list of genealogies, all the parables and symbolic messages can be a little overwhelming and make no sense what's so ever. That's how I saw it when I first started reading it. Nothing made since, while the story of the virgin was beautiful and the sayings of Jesus were funny I often found myself saying "man I'm not sure about this, it sounds a little strange". For a long time the Bible was nothing but a book of cool stories to me. But once I gave myself to Christ and started to read it with a different set of eyes the more it started to make sense, it's almost as if things started to jump off the page, I could now understand what the message is.

There is a reason why many are blind to the wisdom of God and the message. It's just not possible to fully understand without the Holy Spirit, because only the Spirit can speak and give accurate knowledge of things in the Spiritual realm. While man can provide some insight he can never tell you it's true meaning because he is not the Spirit, only the Spirit can reveal it to you.


1 Corinthians 2
11 For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.
13 These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Basically what the scriptures are saying here is that it is impossible for a normal person who does not have the Spirit of God to understand God's message. As far as the normal man is concerned the scriptures are just rubbish. But I would feel the same way if you put a book about Evolution in front of me, while I might understand a little, in order to get the full meat of it I will have to talk to someone who is a professional in that field.

With that said, maybe we as believers shouldn't be so hard on those who don't have the same understanding about God's wisdom as we do. All we can do is plant the seeds, it is up to the Spirit to make it grow. But that will only happen if they allow it.

May the Lord Jesus Christ be with you all.

reply to post by RealTruthSeeker


The eyes of a child brother. Says it all right there. The Holy Spirit allows us to see through the eyes of a child, they eyes of innocence, so that we might be able to understand scripture that was written for children to understand. The Holy Spirit allows us to cast off the blinders and jaded eyes that adulthood has given us so that we can see through the eyes of a child and understand the message.

This is what Jesus said when he said "suffer the little children to come unto me, for the Kingdom of Heaven is made of such as these" (paraphrased). Notice the children who ran to him when they didn't even know him, they saw him for who he really was: God in person. Children can love unconditionally, which is a trait we lose as we grow up.

Studying the paranormal over the last 10 years i have discovered that many many young children in cases i have reviewed can see spirits when adults cannot. Often times adults just shrug it off as "imaginary friends". But the little children who ran to Jesus knew exactly who he was without ever laying eyes on him before.

reply to post by RealTruthSeeker

Good.

"The language of the soul" is concept not easy to explain to those who have not yet learned it.

Intresting thread. Im a beliver in god in my own way and after a spiritual awakening I kinda understand what I read in religous text at another level. It's like there is an extra dimmensions and the peices fit in a puzzle. I belive that god sends me the information I need to follow the path he wants me to go. I have not read the whole bible but since I haven't had the urge I haven't done it. One day I might. I belive god uses all religous textes to make us grow. Some lines in the bible is not meant for you or the you at that time if they don't fit. Struggling to make them fit is not the way for me. The thought picture in your mind should be beautiful and harmounious. Namaste

You are forgetting that two other things apart from the "holy spirit" are key- not in terms of making someone believe, but in terms of helping someone to better understand. Context and translation. A lot of the things in the Bible are very hard to understand even for Christians if you don't know a lot about the time period and context in which they were written, as well as if you don't know the meaning of the original greek/hebrew text from which it was translated. That's not to say that you have to read 200 history books and study ancient languages to understand certain points in the Bible, but I think a good bit of the skepticism around here is based upon a lack of understanding in one or both of these areas.

"Basically what the scriptures are saying here is that it is impossible for a normal person who does not have the Spirit of God to understand God's message. As far as the normal man is concerned the scriptures are just rubbish. But I would feel the same way if you put a book about Evolution in front of me, while I might understand a little, in order to get the full meat of it I will have to talk to someone who is a professional in that field.



who does not have the spirit of god to understand lol . Isn't that why people go to the bible to get a little taste of that spirit? To get hooked and spread the gospel ? no?....


if that were the case , then it seems like a self kill to me. lol


you mean you might understand a little then talk to someone whos gonna feed you their version of the doctrine they have learned?


its always better to learn for your self and reserach for your self. Draw your own conclusions.

blind faith doesn't work when you live in a world full of liars , deception , agenda driven fools , and many misconceptions


people don't' take the bible seriously becasue of the errors , contradictions , and evil actions of the "god" it portrays . also the double standards of christians =p who don't practice what they preach.


for more..


www.evilbible.com...


i don't believe god would make mistakes, but i believe humans do

bible is evidence of that.


oh yea and forgot about tyrant jesus as depicted in bible

"But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'"

luke 19:27

I found the following statement the Bible makes about itself to be true.

For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart. (Hebrews 4:12 NASB

Those who worry or argue that the Word has been meddled with are, I believe, off-base with the assertion. I thinks it's written in a way that it's truths will always remain intact.

The words are, in my experience, spiritual words and they are 'alive.'

Peace.

Originally posted by jburg6
You are forgetting that two other things apart from the "holy spirit" are key- not in terms of making someone believe, but in terms of helping someone to better understand. Context and translation. A lot of the things in the Bible are very hard to understand even for Christians if you don't know a lot about the time period and context in which they were written, as well as if you don't know the meaning of the original greek/hebrew text from which it was translated. That's not to say that you have to read 200 history books and study ancient languages to understand certain points in the Bible, but I think a good bit of the skepticism around here is based upon a lack of understanding in one or both of these areas.

I agree with this. But as they say, you have to crawl before you can walk. Once you have the basic understanding of what the Bible is trying to say then you can move on to the more deeper stuff.

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oh yea and forgot about tyrant jesus as depicted in bible

"But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me.'"

luke 19:27

Please read the entire chapter before spouting off about stuff you do not understand...

That passage is a parable, he was not speaking of himself. Or of something he would tell others to do...

Thanks

Originally posted by yourboycal2
its always better to learn for your self and reserach for your self. Draw your own conclusions.

blind faith doesn't work when you live in a world full of liars , deception , agenda driven fools , and many misconceptions

edit on 24-10-2011 by yourboycal2 because: (no reason given)

Well I can't argue with that. Research is important, but if your only looking at it from one side (evilbible) then you'll never be able to discover the truth.

Before you read my comments, please know that I'm not judging you. It's just advice.

Originally posted by RealTruthSeeker
There is a reason why many are blind to the wisdom of God and the message. It's just not possible to fully understand without the Holy Spirit, because only the Spirit can speak and give accurate knowledge of things in the Spiritual realm. While man can provide some insight he can never tell you it's true meaning because he is not the Spirit, only the Spirit can reveal it to you.

Not every religion believes this, obviously, but there are people out there who are more giving, very selfless, and sacrifice their time to help others. Most speak of no Holy Spirit, but have an entity that corroborates with it.

Basically what the scriptures are saying here is that it is impossible for a normal person who does not have the Spirit of God to understand God's message.

This is very condescending, I recommend working it differently next time.

As far as the normal man is concerned the scriptures are just rubbish.

Once again, very condescending, but true.

But I would feel the same way if you put a book about Evolution in front of me, while I might understand a little, in order to get the full meat of it I will have to talk to someone who is a professional in that field.

There is no full meat you speak of that some person/persons may have, In all fields of knowledge, divine or scientific. A priest knows no more than you can acquire on your own. Gathering information from other people is simply just that, information, it's up to the individual if they chose to implement it to their reality.

With that said, maybe we as believers shouldn't be so hard on those who don't have the same understanding about God's wisdom as we do.

"Judge ye not, so that ye not be judged"
Something you and ALL followers should have already of known to do.

All we can do is plant the seeds, it is up to the Spirit to make it grow. But that will only happen if they allow it.

That's propaganda you're talking about, it's inception, which is wrong. Let the people make their choice, let them ask the questions and do not impose even to a minor extent, because it is no longer spreading faith, it becomes recruitment.

May the Lord Jesus Christ be with you all.

Thank you, be kind and deny ignorance.

God is multi-layered and multi-dimensional, and so is His Word, the Bible. They are spiritually discerned. The carnal mind can not grasp them, and the carnal man can read the Bible just about forever and not "get it".

reply to post by RealTruthSeeker


Still another expression of zombified fanatism, originating from a religious psychosis or sub-standard intelligence.

'Holy spirits' as a prerequisite? No...... holy insanity, holy stupidity, holy self-righteousness and holy megalomania are the proper qualifications.

To the decent and functional readers of this forum, I apologize for the excessive and irrational language in my recent post, but I have myself now for two years regurlarly been exposed to such a language from invasive evangelists, whose arguments can't stand by themselves, and where said evangelists instead resort to character-attacks (which are ignored by pro-christian biased 'moderators').

I have no intentions of participating, or even being a 'member' of such a forum, but unfortunately it seems impossible to terminate an ATS membership officially. So dramatic as it may appear to be, my only option is to get myself banned, which hopefully will be soon.

(As I have posted almost identical versions of this all over the place, it shouldn't take long, before the complaints start rolling in, helping my aim. Invasive evangelists are notorious for their inability to handle criticism or opposition).

reply to post by bogomil


Other than getting banned, which is someone else's choice, you can log off and stay off, or you can limit the sub-forums you visit.

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I think someone might have pee'd in his cornflakes recently

Originally posted by Lazarus Short
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Other than getting banned, which is someone else's choice, you can log off and stay off, or you can limit the sub-forums you visit.

Please piss off with your meaningless 'tactical' suggestions.

Originally posted by Akragon
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I think someone might have pee'd in his cornflakes recently

That's for sure. I HATE censorship (unless it from the start is stated in forum-rules, that such will exists). Censorship doesn't belong on a self-proclaimed liberal forum.

Originally posted by bogomil

Originally posted by Lazarus Short
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Other than getting banned, which is someone else's choice, you can log off and stay off, or you can limit the sub-forums you visit.

Please piss off with your meaningless 'tactical' suggestions.

He is right though. You complain but yet remain. Toughen up old man, I know you still got some life left. Just because you get smacked around by a few people doesn't mean that you should just throw away all the hard work you have given to the forum. Maybe if you stopped using the same rebuttals over and over again then we might respect your comments a little more.

In all honesty, your comments never make sense to me, which is why I have stop replying to your post. Nevertheless, feel free to bash my threads anytime if it makes you feel better.

And getting banned won't help your cause, you'll just be slandered with no way to defend yourself.

Originally posted by RealTruthSeeker

Originally posted by bogomil

Originally posted by Lazarus Short
reply to post by bogomil

 

Other than getting banned, which is someone else's choice, you can log off and stay off, or you can limit the sub-forums you visit.

Please piss off with your meaningless 'tactical' suggestions.

He is right though. You complain but yet remain. Toughen up old man, I know you still got some life left. Just because you get smacked around by a few people doesn't mean that you should just throw away all the hard work you have given to the forum. Maybe if you stopped using the same rebuttals over and over again then we might respect your comments a little more.

In all honesty, your comments never make sense to me, which is why I have stop replying to your post. Nevertheless, feel free to bash my threads anytime if it makes you feel better.

And getting banned won't help your cause, you'll just be slandered with now way to defend yourself.

edit on 25-10-2011 by RealTruthSeeker because: (no reason given)

You either haven't read my post concerning my motives and aims, or you are too stupid to understand it. But that's your problem, not mine.