If we evolved from monkeys and evolution is true, then why are there still monkeys today?

Originally posted by bet555
Why are not Humans exactly the same and all humans look alike and some are smarter than other and some are healthier and some are Better at certain things ....

...different cultures....

Originally posted by bet555
Why are not Humans exactly the same

Why in the workld should they be? Different populations, sometimes isloated, sometimes intermixing, sometimes under one set of environmental and ecological conditions, sometimes under different sets. If everyone were alike, that would be a problem for evolutionary theories

some are smarter than other and some are healthier and some are Better at certain things

Why shouldn't one individual be good at one thing and bad at another? Why shouldn't some individuals be 'smarter' than other individuals? None of these things have anything to do with evolution.

Enron, Nygdan, you've made very good and reasonable points, as well as educated ones, which is more than can be said by those who oppose evolution on this board. The only thing here that can be learned, is that, no matter how hard you try, you cannont change people who choose to be ignorant and blind to new ideas. I'm not saying they have to agree, but Hoppinmad basically wants us to believe every piece of flaming crap that comes out of his ignorant, single minded mouth, while not giving the slightest chance to any contrary points made, no matter how valid. When I first read his post, I sincerely thought about his points, as objectively as I could, and then proceeded to shoot them down. Hoppin simply runs around like a little child who presses their hands over their ears so as not to hear what they don't want to hear. You, Hoppin, are what makes evolution so wonderful, because I know that sooner or later, your genese will be bred out of this gene pool, and we'll all be better for it. Disclamer; I have refered to both Nygdan and Enron, but they had no part in what I said here, and if anyone tries to link them to my opinions, then they should be beaten soundly about the head with a bat. That's about it for now, it's late.

well, Mr. bdu_fenris, I would tend to say that the most revealing part about creationism supporters is that they simply can't answer the specific questions put to them. Sometimes they can give a vague generalized response, but more often than not they just let questions fly over their heads and ignore them.

how many other animals on this planet have felt safe enough long enough to learn how to type?.

fish and birds have evolved to be able to use their superior senses to use the magnetic field to find their way round the planet,so why do we think we are the most intelligent and the most evolved??


if you look at the way our lives have changed since being hunter gatherers to becoming stock brokers etc then you have to look at how safe we have felt in doing what we do compared to the rest of the animal kingdom.

in evolving into what we are now we have given up using some of the senses we must have used to put ourselves in the position where we were able to feel safe.

Originally posted by Hoppinmad1
Why are there no other creature on earth that has reached our level of intelligence. We are the most evolved species on earth. None has even came close to our intelligence although many have existed much longer. Sure you might be nicely adapted to your enviroment but why not intelligent?
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There were Neandertals(spelling) they were physically superior to us but we Homo-Sapians bred like crazy and out numbered them, thus taking more land and more resources.
Evolution isn't always the suvival of the strongest, sometimes it how clever your species is!!!

Originally posted by squintingcat
fish and birds have evolved to be able to use their superior senses to use the magnetic field to find their way round the planet,so why do we think we are the most intelligent and the most evolved??

Whats so special about sensativity to magnetic fields?

Did you post in the wrong thread?

edit:

nevermind, ironically enough I thought this was a different thread!

[edit on 13-9-2004 by Nygdan]

Originally posted by Hoppinmad1
I have heard a lot of people that belive in evolution. They belive man decended from apes. Apes descended from all the other species before them and we all originally came from the same one celled orginism. If this is true why are there still species around that we supposedly evolved from in this unadvanced state?

If evolution is true wouldn't nature seek out to make these creatures more like us since we are the most highly evolved species on earth. These species such as apes have been in existence longer than humans for the most part. Why is there only one advanced species on earth out of the billions there are?

The answer is we were created by intelligent life. God in other words. What he is I don't know but he obviously is real given the complexity of life. Evolution cannont exist. When we have children they are made up of our dna and our spouses. The process that make the child, use the dna available to it provided by the parents. So how could a species develope into another if it can only choose the dna available to that creature?

[edit on 31-8-2004 by Hoppinmad1]

I think fossils are enough proof that evolution and natural selection exists.

There was a new species of Monkey discovered in South America in the last two or three years. The astounding part of the find is that this particular type of monkey appears to have a basic rudimentary language. I heard it reported on the news last year. I'll try to find some links.

[edit on 13-9-2004 by Facefirst]

it sounds like the guy who started this thrread isn't open to ideas, so why bother explianing it, even though EVERYthing could could be wrong....
i mean, for all we know, we could be an expariment by a race of highly advanced aliens, who adupt us from time to time, to see how we're getting along, sort of like, a physical..
but who ever herd of ailiens adupting anyone?

Originally posted by squintingcat
how many other animals on this planet have felt safe enough long enough to learn how to type?.

Well...I think even fish have priorities...typing isn't on that list - evolution is a need-based development...

fish and birds have evolved to be able to use their superior senses to use the magnetic field to find their way round the planet,so why do we think we are the most intelligent and the most evolved??

Where does it say in evolutionary theory that "we are the most intelligent and most evolved"?! That's not true...even if we were the most intelligent species on Earth, those who believe in evolution don't go around bragging - who's there to brag to?!

if you look at the way our lives have changed since being hunter gatherers to becoming stock brokers etc then you have to look at how safe we have felt in doing what we do compared to the rest of the animal kingdom.

in evolving into what we are now we have given up using some of the senses we must have used to put ourselves in the position where we were able to feel safe.

This is very true...perhaps it has less to do with "how safe we feel" and rather how unified we feel...everything on this planet that has gotten us where we are as a species has relied upon working together...so it's not a question of how safe we feel in the wild...it's how safe we feel sitting next to Buffalo Jim in the cubicle next to ya...

The "Why are we smart" and "Why arn't they smart" argument is not a valid point of view.

I offer an instance in nature currently that explains that even within the "animal kingdom" there are drastic differences in the same species of animals in regard to intelligence.

Birds: A cardinal will just sit on a perch and sing and eat worms and do other bird things. An African Gery will sit on a perch and sing but also chit chat with you and learn to speak to you in context and maybe even ask if you would hand them your favorite toy.

www.pbs.org.../scientific/pbssaf1201_220k.asf&s=1895395&e=2687958

Scientific American Frontiers
Episode: Pet Tech
Date: 10-16-2001

Watch this video to see just how evolved the animal brain can be.

The difference is an African Grey shares the same level of intelligence as that of a 3 year old child. They both are from some bird or animal in the past? However, something in the past caused the branch of the gene pool parrots are from to get bigger brains. I do not think they would even develop words and conversation on their own, that is silly.

If you look at the evolutionary arguments and periodicals written, and produced, about humans and where we come from, there are a lot of elements that allowed us to become what we are today. Diet, atmosphere, climate, and a good breeding pool all combined to help us "leap" in evolutionary terms as far as intelligence goes. All of these elements worked together over a short period of times to move us away from the direction chimps and gorillas took. Just as some of the same elemets helped Amazon's move away from the path Cardinals took.

Could a similar "leap" happen in another species? What if we never took the "leap?" What if it was birds? Or maybe dolphins? They are supposed to be just as smart as Amazons, perhaps even smarter? They have to be, they're the only other animal that has sex for pleasure!

Our bodies helped us develop the traits we needed to become what we are today. Opposable thumbs, larynx, an articulate tounge, are just a few of these.

What you have to think about is now why not, but why in the first place?

Unfortunatly, until life is discovered on another planet in some way, shape, or form, none of our questions will be answered. We need something to compare outselves to, some other form of evolutionary scheme, to really deconstruct why it works the way it does. The interesting part is that just because life is discovered somewhere else doesn't mean that there is no God.

I hope this adds to the discussion.

I'm going to jump in for a second,

I find it funny, people seem to assume, though both are still theories, that evolution just came to a dead halt in nature while the lot of you were debating over what theory was right.

Evolution is observed fact.

Deep

[edit on 13-9-2004 by ZeroDeep]

i'll tell you why we still have monkeys.
1. it starts with one tribe or group of monkeys
2.some leave and adapt to their new envirenment
3.the group that stayed behind in the old envirenment did not change at all or not very much

also everyone knows cavemen tamed wolves
1. the wolves that were tamed and trained eventually became dogs
2.the wolves that were not tamed stayed as wolves

maybe you should spend less time watching perry stone and that idiot from the 700 club and spend some time reading or watching carl sagan and richard dawkins

Science, common sense and the Bible, plus God, have already proven "creationism".

The entire "evolution" theory was spewed by the guy (his name escapes me right now) that shared his "opinion" on his "ideas" of how man became - and all of the weak minded sheep followed right along behind him.

And today, they still follow.

But that entire "theory" has been proved false time after time after time after time over the years. I guess it's all the atheists feel they have to cling to in the way of any resemblance of a viable offense/defense.

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Plainly put, if evolution were to be true in any sense, not only would there be no monkeys, there would also not be "man" - because IF evolution were true, mankind himself would have "evolved" into some other creature over the centuries.

Evolution is nothing but a tired old topic that is still being used to try to explain away God.

Boring, and still boring.

reply to post by nomorecruelty


proven false over and over and over again?

state your sources please

reply to post by ZeroDeep


The only "evolution" present is within each species - i.e. a domestic cat might have started out as a large tiger type of feline but over the centuries has mated with different types within the feline species resulting eventually in the domestic cat.

But will that cat "evolve" into a man or a chimp or a tennis shoe?

No.

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The proof is all over the internet - Google, my friend, Google. There are no pantyhose on my legs - i.e. I'm not anyone's secretary.


There are a gazillion different sources out there - videos, essays, scientific research, literary works, public forum debates, personal websites, etc.

This oughta get you started........

L ink

Just an fyi - the whole notion of "evolution" is from the same entity that brought us the notion that there was more than one God - and more than one Bible. And that sin really didn't matter as long as we are all comfy and happy.

Yep, satan.

Be careful what, and who, you follow throughout your life - it will be affecting your eternal life.



[edit on 10-3-2010 by nomorecruelty]

Originally posted by nomorecruelty
Science, common sense and the Bible, plus God, have already proven "creationism".

The entire "evolution" theory was spewed by the guy (his name escapes me right now) that shared his "opinion" on his "ideas" of how man became - and all of the weak minded sheep followed right along behind him.

1.the bible don't prove anything it's a book with your logic books like christine, four past midnight, the eyes of the dragon and, but not limited to mien kampf, the quoran and Bhāgavata Purāṇa must also prove what is said in them

2. common sense has nothing to do with it

3.where has science proven this?

4.his name is charles darwin