UFO Portugal Oct. 16, 2011 - This One Is Moving All Over The Sky (with uploader's Q&A's)

Originally posted by miniatus
the light I see, unless I'm missing something.. moves in sync with the camera so it looks more like light reflecting in the lens..

Edit: I must be missing what you're talking about then ..

edit on 22-10-2011 by miniatus because: (no reason given)

So, in other words, if you attempt to track a moving object that is going in a sort of line/direction, you would say its a reflection rather than camera tracking. So in other words you think you can debunk by this idea, all videos tracking objects?

Now I'll watch the top one, only watched one below. The one below was not a reflection. It was whatever it was.

reply to post by Riddlept

Dear friends ,

ArMaP messaged me in youtube to come to this forum , which i gladly did, because you guys were talking about my video ! Im going to tell what happened , go ahead and ask me questions if you want .
First i advice to watch my video in 1080p fullscreen .

I left my girlfriend home in Gaia like i usually do several times a week and i was driving my car and saw a strange round very bluish light flying over a portuguese tv national antenna which is huge , probably the tallest building in town , when it suddently dropped almost on a vertical line wich caught my attention . I stopped my car +- 400/500 meters ahead and started recording with my cellphone .

My first idea was " It's not a plane the only thing that it could be was an helicopter ! " , but after minute 7:45 the light dives again and makes a loop which made me think/said in portuguese " That could not be an helicopter move ! "

Some people say that it could be an rc plane , and that would be the only possible explanation in my view , but i dismiss it and im telling you why ! I was filming at a 300 meters or 1000 feet , and the first time i saw it while i wasn't filming , the object flew about 1 mile to the place of the video ! Well the light was very intense and i saw at a very long distance and it flew more than a mile and over the biggest building in the city ! How can someone maneuver an rc plane over more than a mile at night , over the tallest building , so precisely doing acrobatic maneuvers ! Would the light of such rc plane be vissible at such a distance , with such intensity and size ?

Sorry for my bad English and extended post !

Hi Riddlept!
Thanks for taking the time to join and post more info!
Much appreciated.

Your english is fine! It's quite good, actually.

I have watched this in HD like 3 times now, and at first all I could think was RC plane,
but now, after watching it a few times, I really don't think it's a toy plane.

I don't know, but good catch!
I'm going with UFO! lol

thanks for sharing!!
Good to be amongst you.
Peace, and keep looking up!

The 3 dots are reflections or smudges, or light reflecting off smudges. The one down low, the bluish light that is traveling is not a reflection, it is an object. Its movements do not suggest a plane, and thats not the lighting on the choppers we saw, plus you could hear them at a distance still.

Whatever it is its interesting. And the camera man thought so too.

Originally posted by Unity_99
The 3 dots are reflections or smudges, or light reflecting off smudges. The one down low, the bluish light that is traveling is not a reflection, it is an object. Its movements do not suggest a plane, and thats not the lighting on the choppers we saw, plus you could hear them at a distance still.

Whatever it is its interesting. And the camera man thought so too.

edit on 22-10-2011 by Unity_99 because: (no reason given)

Exactly. There is definitely an object there.
and the cameraman is here now.

Q : So you estimate it travels for a about a mile across?
A : I saw where it was the first time , went on google earth and measured the route !

Q: Do you have any police drones in that area that might have been patrolling that night? Search lights used on it ever?
A: Police in my country does not use helicopters to patrol the nights , only during the day and on very exceptional occasions , like European meetings and very important soccer games ! I also talked to a portuguese ufo "specialist " that told me that there's an hospital some miles from there and that they have 1 emergency helicopter and that he has a special route to travel , so it would be forbidden for him fly over that zone . Also usually you can see red strobe lighs on helicopters tail and front .

Q: How long did this object appear to you? Longer than you filmed it?
A : It appeared to me for about 12/13 minutes . I saw it and after 1 minute or so i started filming it .

Q: Are you a believer in UFOs or was this the first time you've seen anything like this in your area?
A: Recently i was into ufo shows , like ufo files and ancient aliens , so i've been very alert to strange objects/lights in the sky , but personally im very skeptical because i think there is a lot of bad information around . I have never seen such an intense bluish light flying like that in my life .







I made some screenshots on google earth with some annotations to make it better to understand what i'm reporting . It's 3:11 am and i'm a bit sleepy ill be back in some hours to catch up on the thread !

reply to post by Riddlept


Wow your English is better than most people who live and go to school in America that post in here, amazing!

That is awesome detail you've given to us, I think we have now raised more curiosity as to what this thing might have been. Wonder where the usual debunker crowds are to give their opinions on this.

Was it loud, like an engine in the sky? Did you hear a loud motor from where you were?

Was it just a blue light or did it change colors from time to time?

How fast do you think this was moving? Did it change speeds often or was it pretty steady?

How high do you think it got, and how low to the ground did it get?

Was it near any cars or did it get close to any buildings. or did it just stay over the trees and park area?

reply to post by Riddlept


Pretty awesome.

Few things:

Did you notice any sounds at all coming from it?

Also, did you check if others had seen it?

It seemed to be pretty hectic up there, kind of like a thuderstorm brewing up. Is it possible that this was something floating and getting carried around by the wind?

reply to post by JibbyJedi

My first idea was " It's not a plane the only thing that it could be was an helicopter ! " , but after minute 7:45 the light dives again and makes a loop which made me think/said in portuguese " That could not be an helicopter move ! " Some people say that it could be an rc plane , and that would be the only possible explanation in my view , but i dismiss it and im telling you why ! I was filming at a 300 meters or 1000 feet , and the first time i saw it while i wasn't filming , the object flew about 1 mile to the place of the video ! Well the light was very intense and i saw at a very long distance and it flew more than a mile and over the biggest building in the city ! How can someone maneuver an rc plane over more than a mile at night , over the tallest building , so precisely doing acrobatic maneuvers ! Would the light of such rc plane be vissible at such a distance , with such intensity and size ?

This could very easily be an RC FPV aircraft and I believe that's exactly what it is.
I have first hand experience with FPV flight and every thing this bird is doing is well within RC FPV capability's including and NOT limited to the height and distances involved.
I know it's fun to believe your seeing some alien tech but trust me it's more fun for the pilot getting his kicks fooling you.
Don't ask me how I know

reply to post by flyingfish

I know it's fun to believe your seeing some alien tech but trust me it's more fun for the pilot getting his kicks fooling you.

Hardly. If we are seeing alien craft and our leaders aren't telling us about them, that's not even close to fun for me, I'd be pissed and it would be justified. I've seen TR-3Bs and I'm already extremely angry about those being withheld from our common knowledge as far as the advanced tech used on them.

Do those RC craft you described have a range of 1 mile or more? Do they have vivid sustained blueish lights? Does this object look exactly like the devices you're talking about? Any vids of them that aren't from a 1st person perspective, maybe from a similar distance to use for comparison?

Do those RC craft you described have a range of 1 mile or more? Do they have vivid sustained blueish lights? Does this object look exactly like the devices you're talking about? Any vids of them that aren't from a 1st person perspective, maybe from a similar distance to use for comparison?

reply to post by JibbyJedi

YES

I have first hand experience with FPV flight and every thing this bird is doing is well within RC FPV capability's including and NOT limited to the height and distances involved.

This is my geobat six foot wingspan over 300 LED's, you can see this bird for miles at night.
In fact my bird would look even better then the one in the video.

Here is Thehojazz Geobat.
He is flying line of sight but with FPV a two mile range is not out of the question.
I suggest you Google, it's a whole new world for you.

Originally posted by flyingfish
Here is Thehojazz Geobat.
He is flying line of sight but with FPV a two mile range is not out of the question.
I suggest you Google, it's a whole new world for you.

Good stuff. Amazing how just 10-15 years ago people would have screamed "ALIENS!!" at the sight of these things, now, they are common place.

I got to say I am both upset and glad that people are using these to "fake people out" as far as UFO's are concerned. I'm upset because it, when found out, turns the masses away from UFO's being anything more than obvious fakery. I'm glad in that it helps me better my own personal knowledge base of what technology exists in the hands of the average person and I can better discriminate fact from fiction.

I have yet to proof positive determine what my OP was exactly. I originally thought RC device, which it most likely was, but I'm glad I posted it to learn all the possibilities of what it may have been.

Just for the record I don't intentionally fly my Geobat to fool people, however it's not impossible that someone has seen it and thought it was a UFO.
With that said I know for a fact there are others out there that do use their aircraft to create a hoax.
This is just one of many reasons we must be critical in our research of UFO phenomenon.

Also I wouldn't say these aircraft are too common, it has taken me years to get to this level of flying and technology, but I believe people should be aware these aircraft are out there.

Q : Was it loud, like an engine in the sky? Did you hear a loud motor from where you were?
A: I didn't hear a sound .

Q : Was it just a blue light or did it change colors from time to time?
A : It stayed blue the whole time .

Q : How fast do you think this was moving? Did it change speeds often or was it pretty steady?
A : I can't really tell you how fast it was going most of it was slow and like hovering , but the first time when i saw it doing the dive on the tower it was fast !

Q : How high do you think it got, and how low to the ground did it get?
A : I've been searching and the tower that is on the top of a hill is 207 meters high and the lowest probably 30/40 meters .

Q : Was it near any cars or did it get close to any buildings. or did it just stay over the trees and park area?
A : It's was over the tower , over the fireman facilities , then over the park and buildings .

Here are some closer pictures of the tower by night :





Now i have some questions considering the RC planes !
Can you do a 200 meters vertical dive on your rc plane without crashing it ?
How easy is to be hovering and 5 seconds after do a loop ?
Would you risk to fly at night your expensive rc plane over more than a mile over the tallest building in the area witch emits signals for various tv networks and other emergency services ?
From 1 to 10 how do you consider the skill of the supposedly rc plane driver on the video ?
How often do you fly your rc plane over an area ?

I still have my doubts about the rc plane theory , mainly because i go trough that area various times during the week for like 4/5 years , my girlfriend lives there and we have never ever seen that strange light again ! Flying over more than a mile and doing that maneuvers at night , you must have eagle eyes just to have a good control and you should have higher ground which is not possible .

Was there lightning that night? That's what it looks like in the video. Would a helicopter be flying during a storm? Also, what's the range of a RC plane?

Can you do a 200 meters vertical dive on your rc plane without crashing it ?

reply to post by Riddlept

YES

How easy is to be hovering and 5 seconds after do a loop ?

Depending on the plane and wind this can be done very easily.

Would you risk to fly at night your expensive rc plane over more than a mile over the tallest building.

Yes, my plane is designed to fly at night, altitude is your friend a mile is well within my range.

in the area witch emits signals for various tv networks and other emergency services ?

These days with 2.4GHz spread spectrum technology signals from other sources do not interfere with RC pilots.
AMA law states: All pilots shall avoid flying directly over unprotected people, vehicles or structures.
Rules are made to be broken, but I'm a good boy.

From 1 to 10 how do you consider the skill of the supposedly rc plane driver on the video ?

I will rate him 6 for skill and a 0 for being reckless.

How often do you fly your rc plane over an area ?

Most of my aircraft even with a 6' wing are considered park flyers, so I can fly from just about anywhere.
Like most pilots I know, it's fun and challenging to find new areas to fly.

Flying over more than a mile and doing that maneuvers at night , you must have eagle eyes just to have a good control and you should have higher ground which is not possible .

Not true, as long as you can see it you can fly it. For all we know the guy could have been flying from the top of the building.
I have laid on my back to look straight up and fly in the clouds and catch thermals.
Enjoy!!

reply to post by Riddlept
Thank you for providing information about the video you captured.

If you don't mind me asking, what is your relationship with the video publisher, Truthhelix? Or is just that your video has gone viral, just like some many others on YouTube?

Q : Was there lightning that night? That's what it looks like in the video. Would a helicopter be flying during a storm? Also, what's the range of a RC plane?
A : There wasn't lighting , the sky just faded to black as the night came , just some clouds ! You can probably hear my cars engine ! About the RC range 1,5 miles i think but i dont know .


Q : If you don't mind me asking, what is your relationship with the video publisher, Truthhelix? Or is just that your video has gone viral, just like some many others on YouTube?

A : I don't know who Truthhelix is ! If you want to see my original video www.youtube.com... !

I guess ill never know what it was , i still believe its not a rc plane , but you have the freedom believe other things !

reply to post by Riddlept

I guess ill never know what it was , i still believe its not a rc plane , but you have the freedom believe other things !

Why not? if your so sure it's not a RC plane what do you think it is?
I have shown this supposed UFO in your video is not doing anything a special, in fact I myself can do more convincing UFO maneuvers with my Geobat.
Here is a CrazyBall RC Plane doing a better job at being a UFO than your bird.

reply to post by flyingfish


Your bird is flying 200/300m and i cant even see the lights