What is the flash before the plane hits the building?

Originally posted by waypastvne

Originally posted by pshea38

Originally posted by waypastvne
reply to post by septic

 

I call you Truther to make you feel special. You and all the other Truthers are very very special.

And You And All The Other Purposeful Deceivers Are A Disgrace.

You have the gaul to post pictures of almost prestine condition crash debris that has supposedly
come through 2 facades of a massive steel building and an enormously energetic inferno, and
you demand that we believe that all is genuine? I recall seeing footage of an atomised jet and a
wall somewhere! What of it?
I asked you before how easy would it have been to fake this and other scenes, accepting some
people had the mind and the might to deceive?

This whole f* thing is fake, and I think You damn well know it!

Thanks for quoting my post so it can still be seen, a mod removed mine. You're a Victsimer you believe all the victims of 911 were fake, computer generated. That makes you an Extra-Special Truther.

Here is a photo showing hundreds of plane parts and body fragments. Is it a computer generated fake too or planted evidence ?

Here's one!! If you give me a few minutes I think I can prove that this shot could be
and indeed is faked (from the observations of others).!! I will look forward to your
response WayPastIt...

Yours etc.

The VICTIMISER

Originally posted by pshea38
Here's one!! If you give me a few minutes I think I can prove that this shot could be
and indeed is faked (from the observations of others).!! I will look forward to your
response WayPastIt...

Yours etc.

The VICTIMISER

Somehow, I get the feeling that you would declare every photo in the world fake if asked to analyze them. You see what you want to see, and that's about the sum of it all.

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The main spar of a Boeing 767 is made out of 7075 T6 aluminum here are its physical properties.

7075-T6 Aluminum
Physical and Mechanical Properties
Ultimate Tensile Strength, psi 83,000
Yield Strength, psi 73,000
Brinell Hardness 150

The WTC where the planes hit was made out of 1/4" A36 mild steel here are its physical properties.

ASTM A36 Mild (low-carbon) steel
Physical and Mechanical Properties
Ultimate Tensile Strength, psi 58,000 - 79,800
Yield Strength, psi 36,300
Brinell Hardness 149

So tell me Truther (hehe...I said Truther...) which one is stronger ?

The spars had the dynamic mass of the 60,000 pounds fuel backing them up. The building had only static air and 4" floors under a side compression load backing them up. Sorry truther the building was just not strong enough to stop it.

Originally posted by septic

Therefore it is not possible, at this point in time, to give any detailed account on this interaction, between the wings and outer column, with a higher degree of accuracy than our approximate engineering analysis.

In other words "EVEN WE CAN'T LIE OUR WAY OUT OF THIS"

In other words, THAT'S HOW SCIENCE WORKS.

You do not make absolutes when doing science. You make approximations and theories of the most likely POSSIBILITY. It is always open for contest and correction. If you have that to provide, then that's excellent news. The scientific community welcomes criticism. They do not, however, welcome accusations and assumptions based on speculation and doubt.

Originally posted by pshea38


Here's one!! If you give me a few minutes I think I can prove that this shot could be
and indeed is faked (from the observations of others).!! I will look forward to your
response WayPastIt...

Yours etc.

The VICTIMISER

Here's the original without the inset, May it help in your Truther Quest.

Good Luck Extra-Special Truther !!

reply to post by Varemia

You do not make absolutes when doing science.

Something to keep in mind.

reply to post by Varemia

The scientific community welcomes criticism. They do not, however, welcome accusations and assumptions based on speculation and doubt.

I missed this part earlier. Speaking for the scientific community now Varemia?

I zoomed in on this picture and had a look around, Found something interesting.




It's in the right place.

It's the right size.

It's the right shape.

It's the right color.



Am I saying this is it ? No not enough resolution in the photo. But it is a possibility.

If you think I just planted this. No this picture has been around for years.

reply to post by waypastvne


The steel was formed into an elongated box with two protruding edges, each 1/4 inch wide. It is this edge the wing would strike first...I have you to thank for this image:



letsrollforums.com...

when the wings struck, they'd strike in a sawing motion, from the fuselage to the wingtips, so they wouldn't even be applying their deadly kinetic energy simultaneously...it would be one steel edge at a time


Now, this is an image from the MIT paper, I believe they're referring to the fuselage, but it is a better example of how the wings of a jet would react when encountering the columns and their protruding edges:



No planes man, they would have been shredded

Out of time, so I re-post:

Originally posted by waypastvne

Originally posted by pshea38

Originally posted by waypastvne
reply to post by septic

 

I call you Truther to make you feel special. You and all the other Truthers are very very special.

And You And All The Other Purposeful Deceivers Are A Disgrace.

You have the gaul to post pictures of almost pristine condition crash debris that has supposedly
come through 2 facades of a massive steel building and an enormously energetic inferno, and
you demand that we believe that all is genuine? I recall seeing footage of an atomised jet and a
wall somewhere! What of it?
I asked you before how easy would it have been to fake this and other scenes, accepting some
people had the mind and the might to deceive?

This whole f* thing is fake, and I think You damn well know it!

Thanks for quoting my post so it can still be seen, a mod removed mine. You're a Victsimer you believe all the victims of 911 were fake, computer generated. That makes you an Extra-Special Truther.

Here is a photo showing hundreds of plane parts and body fragments. Is it a computer generated fake too or planted evidence ?

Here's one!! If you give me a few minutes I think I can prove that this shot could be
and indeed is faked (from the observations of others)!! I will look forward to your
response WayPastIt...

Yours etc.

The VICTIMISER

**Edit To Add**

Right. Found It!

Image1

Image2

Please Open Image1
and Image2
together for clarification of perspective.

Posted by reel.deal

"depictions of the same area, just slightly different..." Image 1 Image2

spot the difference!

2 photogaffes - 10 strides - 15 seconds?

black 4x4 jeep @ far left has dragged white bundle along into white paint can, then parked perfectly, without getting a puncture.

white car in front of limo has gone.

guy leaping ON white van in pic 1 is up on stairway? to the right on pic 2.

white van behind blue G.A.F. van, man leapt on, is gone.

DS&D blue van on right has lifted tail-gate & closed its shutters.

so the double bed mattress & bed base/ concrete block that appears across sidewalk, didnt come from open DS&D van,
as that was not in the van in pic 1.

ALL 9 guys in foreground have run off, replaced by some other 2 guys, who appear.

the white truck behind the guys with the red sticker on door in pic 1 has gone.
the white truck behind the 1st van has had stuff removed from top of windshield, or is a different van.

small white van appears in pic 2 that appears to be an open-top convertible, with no windscreen.. or roof..

guy BEHIND limo in pic 1 throws a match & starts a RAGING INFERNO for pic 2.

(which conveniently gives us the (usually!) correct chronology of which pic came 1st.)

& all thats just for starters...
without even looking much.

oh yeah, nearly forgot... manhole covers...

Posted HERE from
this thread 'More New 9/11 Images'.

Just a drop in the ocean of 9/11 flawed and contradictory images analysed and
exposed Here At SeptemberClues Forum.

For me, WayPastIt, it's Fakery Fakery Everywhere.
9/11 was a Fakery Hoax/Con from Top to Bottom, (especially!) Victims and All!
Hows About You? (I ask, even though I am about 93.27% sure you know the above
is true. It's what makes this job (for all you obviously intelligent deniers) bearable).

But I tell you, WayPastVelocityNeverExceeded :
You Go Too Far!
We. All. Don't Deserve It.

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Look here...this blurry piece of debris is blue.

Seriously now, it was you who pointed out the physics proves the plane videos were faked, why continue clutching at such flimsy straws?

Originally posted by waypastvne

I zoomed in on this picture and had a look around, Found something interesting.



It's in the right place.
It's the right size.
It's the right shape.
It's the right color.

Am I saying this is it ? No not enough resolution in the photo. But it is a possibility.

If you think I just planted this. No this picture has been around for years.

Que es que c'est?
Is it supposed to be a highjackers passport? Or maybe the keys to the airplane?
I ask you again: Even if stuff like this isn't faked (and I think you know my position
on that), would it have been technogically possible to fake, in your opinion?
If yes, how would the layman know the difference?
If no, please expand.

ETA.
I think you must mean the passport! (Passports are red where I come from.)
All I can say is...
Hehehe...You really are funny.

Originally posted by pshea38

Originally posted by waypastvne

I zoomed in on this picture and had a look around, Found something interesting.

It's in the right place.
It's the right size.
It's the right shape.
It's the right color.

Am I saying this is it ? No not enough resolution in the photo. But it is a possibility.

If you think I just planted this. No this picture has been around for years.

Que es que c'est?

Is it supposed to be a highjackers passport? Or maybe the keys to the airplane?
I ask you again: Even if stuff like this isn't faked (and I think you know my position
on that), would it have been technogically possible to fake, in your opinion?
If yes, how would the layman know the difference?
If no, please expand.

ETA.
I think you must mean the passport! (Passports are red where I come from.)
All I can say is...
Hehehe...You really are funny.

Any idiot can see arab terrorist body parts strewn all about the street.

That's what heaven looks like.

Originally posted by pshea38

Que es que c'est?

Is it supposed to be a highjackers passport? Or maybe the keys to the airplane?
I ask you again: Even if stuff like this isn't faked (and I think you know my position
on that), would it have been technogically possible to fake, in your opinion?
If yes, how would the layman know the difference?
If no, please expand.

ETA.
I think you must mean the passport! (Passports are red where I come from.)
All I can say is...
Hehehe...You really are funny.

You went for the cheese. I never said passport you did. So you agree it.s the right size and shape.
As for the color no it was not red, you should find out what color it was just google satam passport and go to image.

This photo has been around for years. I did not add it to that image. If you look it's in your picture too, I'm just pointing at something in the picture same as the Truthers do. And what i'm pointing at fits in perfectly with the actual events.

I'll consider contacting Ron and ask him if this is were he found it. Or if you want you can do it.

Originally posted by septic
reply to post by waypastvne

 

Look here...this blurry piece of debris is blue.

Seriously now, it was you who pointed out the physics proves the plane videos were faked, why continue clutching at such flimsy straws?

I think he has just unearthed Muhommad AlKamu Habera O'Gaberas passport!
Dammit! I was wrong all along!

I think he could have been the 22nd and a half hijacker!
He worked on board the faithful flight as the toilet attendant and hid his passorts (and
deadly tweezers) up inside the bowl. We all know how strong those American Airliner s**tters are,
as they got to cater for some considerably well-built Americans.
The bowl was going so fast, it was bound to survive intact after penetrating a steel facade -twice!
I bet if we look around in the picture, we find toilet-bowl remnants.
(The resilient (super) bowl finally met its match when it encountered the pavement).
With the survival of its payload, the passport, I am forced to flip-flop on all I thought I knew
and had come to believe!!
Damn You Super-Bowl!! Good Eyes WayPashIt.

What A Load Of S**t!!

Originally posted by waypastvne

Originally posted by pshea38

Que es que c'est?

Is it supposed to be a highjackers passport? Or maybe the keys to the airplane?
I ask you again: Even if stuff like this isn't faked (and I think you know my position
on that), would it have been technogically possible to fake, in your opinion?
If yes, how would the layman know the difference?
If no, please expand.

ETA.
I think you must mean the passport! (Passports are red where I come from.)
All I can say is...
Hehehe...You really are funny.

You went for the cheese. I never said passport you did. So you agree it.s the right size and shape.
As for the color no it was not red, you should find out what color it was just google satam passport and go to image.

This photo has been around for years. I did not add it to that image. If you look it's in your picture too, I'm just pointing at something in the picture same as the Truthers do. And what i'm pointing at fits in perfectly with the actual events.

I'll consider contacting Ron and ask him if this is were he found it. Or if you want you can do it.

Has it not been shown that these photos are faked? You didn't comment on my post.

Were you specifically looking for the 'passport', or was its finding down to mere chance
and co-incidence? What patience and perseverence you show, WayPastIt!

Your In-Sight is noted!

Originally posted by pshea38



But I tell you, WayPastVelocityNeverExceeded :
You Go Too Far!
We. All. Don't Deserve It.

The file I have with this photo:



Also has all the other photos on that roll listed in order by number: Roll_3_08 to Roll_3_36

My photo is listed as Roll_3_29 Your photo doesn't show up any where on that roll. So obviously more than 15 seconds have passed between photos and they may not even be the same photographer. Simon would know this, he knows his source for the photos and knows they are not sequential, Yet he lead you to believe they were only 15 seconds apart, you fell for it. You are truly an Extra Special Truther.

If you want I can go down Simons list for you, Like the white convertible van is not a convertible and it's there in both shots, but it seems like a waist of time since the photos are not sequential.

Originally posted by septic


The steel was formed into an elongated box with two protruding edges, each 1/4 inch wide. It is this edge the wing would strike first...I have you to thank for this image:

No yankee the one I gave you had actual 1/4" flanges, Remember.

when the wings struck, they'd strike in a sawing motion, from the fuselage to the wingtips, so they wouldn't even be applying their deadly kinetic energy simultaneously...it would be one steel edge at a time

So each column had about .005 seconds to stop the mass that was hitting it. No wonder the plane made a hole.

Now, this is an image from the MIT paper, I believe they're referring to the fuselage, but it is a better example of how the wings of a jet would react when encountering the columns and their protruding edges:

Great photos now all you need to add is another layer of skin, the wing spar, 60,000 pounds of fuel, two engines landing gear, and the rest of the plane.

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Adding to the mystery sorrounding N612UA is the fact that its registration is still active in the
FAA database for N or Tail numbers, as is N591UA, the Boeing 757 that was used for Flight 93
and apparently crashed in a Pennsylvania field on 9/11/01 at 10:03. By way of comparison,
American Airlines cancelled the registrations for N644AA (the Boeing 757 that was used for
Flight 77 and apparently crashed into the Pentagon) and N334AA (the Boeing 767 that was used
for Flight 11 and apparently crashed into the North Tower of the World Trade Center). The reason
given for both cancelled registrations is "Destroyed." Again, only United Airlines can explain why
its two apparently hijacked and destroyed planes still have active registrations.
Further, the answer cannot be due to new replacement planes and the reassignment of the Tail
numbers to them since the years of manufacture given for N612UA and N591UA, as recorded in
the FAA database, are 1983 and 1996, respectively.

Taken out of traffic 4 years later !!!!

Originally posted by NotPsyOpsed
reply to post by septic

 

Adding to the mystery sorrounding N612UA is the fact that its registration is still active in the
FAA database for N or Tail numbers, as is N591UA, the Boeing 757 that was used for Flight 93
and apparently crashed in a Pennsylvania field on 9/11/01 at 10:03. By way of comparison,
American Airlines cancelled the registrations for N644AA (the Boeing 757 that was used for
Flight 77 and apparently crashed into the Pentagon) and N334AA (the Boeing 767 that was used
for Flight 11 and apparently crashed into the North Tower of the World Trade Center). The reason
given for both cancelled registrations is "Destroyed." Again, only United Airlines can explain why
its two apparently hijacked and destroyed planes still have active registrations.
Further, the answer cannot be due to new replacement planes and the reassignment of the Tail
numbers to them since the years of manufacture given for N612UA and N591UA, as recorded in
the FAA database, are 1983 and 1996, respectively.

Taken out of traffic 4 years later !!!!

You need to back that up, Go to the data base and provide us a link. I think proudbird recently provided us link saying the UA aircraft were written off.