What is the flash before the plane hits the building?

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I said it was a hardened target, much harder than a plane, and if planes could do that we wouldn't need cruise missiles, wouldn't you agree.

reply to post by septic

I didn't miss it, I ignored it

Spoken like a truther.....

Anything which doesn't feed into your delusions is waved away

reply to post by septic


Did you look at the video which showed how the wall was consturcted....?

It is not solid, but a lattice of columns held in place by welds and bolts

As BONEZ and nyself said plane didn;t penetrate a solid wall - it snapped off the bolts and welds connecting
the columns

Originally posted by septic
I didn't miss it, I ignored it.

So, you're going to deliberately ignore facts so that you can continue to perpetuate a known hoax? Got it.


I wouldn't count on a debate of any kind on this subject after you read this:

From this point forward, ONE TV FAKERY THREAD WILL REMAIN OPEN.

This one: SEPTEMBER CLUES exposes 911 TV Fakery
The opening posts of all "TV Fakery" threads will be modified to direct users to this thread. And likewise, this remaining open thread's first post will contain links to important questions raised by our members.

For now, new "TV Fakery" or "No Planes" threads based on the work of this group will be deleted. Please use the existing thread indicated above to add any new material to the discussion. Repeated attempts to start new threads may result in account termination. If we see an improvement in tone, and an effort for collaboration, this restriction will likely be lifted. It's up to them.


It's unfortunate that what seems to be aa habitually malicious group has seen fit to act this way over events that deserve thoughtful debate, open research, and most of all collaborative participation. We've added additional staff to the 9/11 forum, and we'll be watching closely. Members, please help us by using the new "post alert" button when you see issues you believe we should be aware of.


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All new "tv fakery/no planes" threads will be closed and deleted. So, don't hold your breath about the debate. They will likely not allow a debate on a subject that is a known HOAX.

Originally posted by thedman
reply to post by septic

 

I didn't miss it, I ignored it

Spoken like a truther.....

Anything which doesn't feed into your delusions is waved away

Have we met? We're about to have a debate, BoneZ and I, so I figured I'd keep my thoughts to myself for a while. I would open some threads about my "delusions", but from what I've had shouted at me by other members, I understand there are rules against such things; I imagine because ATS feels people can't make up their own minds.

Originally posted by septic
reply to post by thedman

 

I said it was a hardened target, much harder than a plane

Bolts and welds aren't "much harder" than a 150,000-pound plane traveling circa 500 MPH. Bolts and welds were broken, column sections moved out of the way.

reply to post by _BoneZ_

So, you're going to deliberately ignore facts so that you can continue to perpetuate a known hoax? Got it.


I wouldn't count on a debate of any kind on this subject after you read this:

Kind of Orwellian, don't you think?

If you are afraid of a debate just say so, but it was you who challenged me so as not to be troubled and interrupted by the riff-raff. Let me return the challenge then; I challenge you to a debate about the media's complicity in 911, whether in our own thread, in the HOAX forum, in the debate section or anywhere you feel most comfortable.

Originally posted by septic

What are you debunking? You don't even know my argument yet.

Does your argument look something like this ?

Link

If it does you wasting everybody's time.

Originally posted by septic
If you are afraid of a debate just say so,

Why would I be afraid of a debate when I won the only debate on the subject of "no-planes/tv fakery" anyway? Here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by _BoneZ_

Originally posted by septic
If you are afraid of a debate just say so,

Why would I be afraid of a debate when I won the only debate on the subject of "no-planes/tv fakery" anyway?

I don't know. Why?

Originally posted by waypastvne

Originally posted by septic

What are you debunking? You don't even know my argument yet.

Does your argument look something like this ?

Link

If it does you wasting everybody's time.

edit on 26-10-2011 by waypastvne because: (no reason given)

That one's an eye opener isn't it? Is that off limits too then?

Originally posted by septic
reply to post by thedman

 

I said it was a hardened target, much harder than a plane, and if planes could do that we wouldn't need cruise missiles, wouldn't you agree.

You are using the term incorrectly...

Soft target is a military term referring to unarmored/undefended targets needing to be destroyed. For example, a soft target would be an automobile, a house, or assembly of people while a hard target could be a main battle tank or a well defended installation.

Soft target

Also, what you are not understanding is that it doesnt need to be an aircraft or a cruise missile, with enough kinetic energy it could be a cupcake...

reply to post by Drunkenparrot

with enough kinetic energy it could be a cupcake...

And you guys are the guardians of the HOAX dungeon? Good lord...

reply to post by septic


Take it up with Isaac Newton, I'm just the messenger...

It's Jerry O'Connell sliding the f**k out of there.

reply to post by Drunkenparrot


Yeah, I've heard your message. In a land far, far away, even a lowly cupcake can sever hardened steel box columns when they grow up.

reply to post by septic


Do you know what this means..?



Do you understand the implication in regard to the subject at hand?

Honest, this is an easy one.

reply to post by septic


septic, he's right.

that's why a soft lead bullet can punch holes in much harder steel, provided it is moving fast enough on impact.

Here's a video of water cutting stainless steel

reply to post by Drunkenparrot


I understand completely. You are trying to convince me cupcake missiles are all the military need to pierce hardened targets. They can use any material as long as they speed them up to 500 miles per hour, even Nerf balls will do.

reply to post by DrEugeneFixer


Heeer we go with the water jets. Is it time for the Kamakazi testimonials from WWII heroes now?