Why I have NO repsect for smokers...none at all!! they cause Disease and Death to those around!

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and they DO NOT CARE about other people around them

Way to generalize. Maybe it's my location but in cali most smokers are very conscientious of others. You can not smoke in any building or in cars with children and most places you have to be at least 20 feet from any entrance way.
I was with a group recently and those of us that smoked went behind a building and hid because we didn't want our group being associated with the image of smokers. I am always careful to not smoke around anyone besides other smokers. I do not smoke in my house or car.I carry mouth wash and lotion with me to help disguise any odors. If I want to poison my body it's my choice. Wonderful thing about freedom, as long as you aren't infringing on the rights of others. I do believe people have the right not to be exposed to my smoke. Some people choose alcohol some choose processed foods or or foods loaded with pesticides or sugar, others choose drugs (the legal and non legal kind)

I am curious though why you are such a miserable person. If smoking was really your concern you would have gone about this a different way.. Instead its obvious that you are just lashing out due to some kind of disturbance, trying to offend a group of people. I in no way find you post offensive because every one has the right to say how they feel, even if I disagree with some of your points. This is your reality and your experiences have shaped your opinion, but please, if you are truley concerned about the effects smokers have on other people, rethink your tactics, otherwise I am not buying that smoking is the real issue.

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the sensitive nerve is not the smoking issue.


its more like: this thread is a zoo and we have come to gawk at the strange creature.


you should join us here in the modern world, where thinking and self-introspection are fun!

Originally posted by virraszto
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"Mommy, that bad man touched me in my privates"

"Oh, that's not so bad, but if he ever smokes a cigarette around you I'll kill 'em"

Uhmmm...ok

Quite wrong Sir.

Both deserve to be dealt with. Both need some lesson in manners and respect for peoples well being! You have not read my thread properly. Please re-read and correct your anecdote or just leave the thread if it disagrees with you.

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I have put up a decent practical and logical argument.

Ha! you really believe that....not even close, turbo! Show me death certificate that says " second hand smoke"

There's something wrong with you...seek counseling.

Originally posted by tgidkp
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the sensitive nerve is not the smoking issue.


its more like: this thread is a zoo and we have come to gawk at the strange creature.


you should join us here in the modern world, where thinking and self-introspection are fun!

Unless someone has wronged you, there is no reason to harm them. Smoking in my presence harms me. Smoking near me where i can breathe it in harms me.

The modern world is also turning against smokers. The see them for the vile habit they flaunt! Where do you think the banning of smoking might end? When they find a way to make the money they make of the tax on cigs say good bye to them for ever.

Just some pondering - I think even as a smoker I agree with the gist of the thread.
But at least in my social circle (and of course the public laws) it is totally unacceptable to smoke around children, and in many homes even around adults indoors.
When we have our "braais" (a kind of barbeque) we stand by the fire, that's chocking everybody anyway.
I'm vegetarian, and then I have similar angry angry lectures when the meat-lovers here laugh at me, and I tell them how much food and water raising meat entails, and the enormous carbon footprint of the spreading meat culture, which is really going to destroy us all.
But do they care?

One thing I have noticed is that cigarette smoke is virtually gone in my social scene, and much fewer people smoke, or they only smoke socially.
But almost every kid is allergic or has asthma.
In my schooldays kids were exposed to smoke everywhere, but the one kid in class out of 20 who had asthma was an exception.
Now there is more lung disease than ever.
There's something even worse that they're not telling us.

That's all known, since tobacco smoke is already marginalized.
But what about cellular phones and their masts?
Nobody knows if they're safe.
It's the same dithering as with tobacco smoke - concerned pressure groups claim one thing, and the industry ridicules them.
Yet, in SA no cellular phone advert may target children - so they're obviously not sure.
So anybody who knocks smokers and allows children to use cellular phones, or uses them around children is also a hypocrite.
Brain tumors are not a better way to die than lung cancer.

But hey, for myself I'm not too concerned.
I'm HIV-positive, and I don't expect a long life.
I don't have kids around me when I smoke and drink and blog in my own ventilated space.
I mean I'm not a nihilist and get exercise and healthy food, and I'm probably fitter than ever.
But I have an aunty whose got emphysema, and she's living with a man who smokes 2 packs a day in a tiny apartment, and that does upset me.

Originally posted by type0civ
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I have put up a decent practical and logical argument.

Ha! you really believe that....not even close, turbo! Show me death certificate that says " second hand smoke"

There's something wrong with you...seek counseling.

You are dumb as they come. In the US alone second hand smoke kill 3000 people.

I sit here looking down upon you feeling nothing for you stupidity towards the wrongful idea you have of smoking.

really!?
radon kills 21000 people every year with lung cancer.radon comes from burning fossil fuels,deisel exaust is the most carcinogenic substance expelled in the air today,you are breathing my air,your farts are contaminating my air,soldier stayed alert smoking cigs during ww2,our country was founded on tobacco,the shamans smoke it to comunicate with the gods.
not getting many stars and flags.?
cig smoke drives away pricks like you,making for a more delightful life experience.
may you die a healthy young life ,full of pain.

Originally posted by halfoldman
Just some pondering - I think even as a smoker I agree with the gist of the thread.
But at least in my social circle (and of course the public laws) it is totally socially unacceptable to smoke around children, and in many homes even inside around adults.
When we have our "braais" (a kind of barbeque) we stand by the fire, that's chocking everybody anyway.
I'm vegetarian, and then I have similar angry angry lectures when the meat-lovers here laugh at me, and I tell them how much food and water raising meat entails, and the enormous carbon footprint of the spreading daily meat culture, that is really going to destroy us all.
But do they care?

One thing I have noticed is that cigarette smoke is virtually gone in my social scene, and much fewer people smoke, or they smoke more socially.
But almost every kid is allergic or has asthma.
In my schooldays kids were exposed to smoke everywhere, but the one kid in class out of 20 who had asthma was an exception.
Now there is more lung disease than ever.
There's something even worse that they're not telling us.

That's all known, since tobacco smoke is already marginalized.
But what about cellular phones and their masts?
Nobody knows if they're safe.
It's the same dithering as with tobacco smoke - concerned pressure groups claim one thing, and the industry ridicules them.
Yet in SA no cellular phone advert may target children - so they're obviously not sure.
So anybody who knocks smokers and allows children to use cellular phones, or uses them around children is also a hypocrite.
Brain tumors are not a better way to die than lung cancer.

Everything you say here is probably correct. At least you are the one exception ot he ATS rule. You can admit when something may be wrong.

As for cell phones, I too believe they may cause some sort of damage. In fact a 15 year study got under way in the UK 2 years ago. So we have at least 13 years of side effect before laws start filtering through.

By the way. I love SA. Too bad in the Rugby. BY far a better team than france.

I've spent the last five years (off and on) looking into alternative treatments for 'incurables' and other diseases and have discovered many treatments that have benefited me and others over these years.

Perhaps the OP should do the same and take full advantage of the information age that we find ourselves in and look into solution-orientated areas rather than continue to live in fear and spread hate by somehow putting smokers, murders and pedophiles virtually all into the same boat?

Each to their own though, I suppose.

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Wow, trolling tonight, are we? Well, okay, I'll respond one time to this thread before it's binned or put in the rant forum, don't want to waste my breath with multiple posts.

You're a satanist, right? You're into majic, harming others, pedophilia, torture, etc, right? Well it's no surprise that tobacco bothers you so much, it's supposed to. Yeah, that's right, the smoke keeps away foul spirits and negativity. Shamans blow it all around to clear the space and to protect people from attacks from creepos. So there you have it, you're just going to have to avoid it.



Who's the little girl in your avatar? Your neighbor's?

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I have seen no one on this thread state that smoking is not gross (most smokers I know openly acknowledge this), nor potentially harmful.

what is appalling is your complete lack of reasonability. earlier I called it "inconsistent".

the same hand you are using to slap others is slapping you right back in the face.

...and you don't even see it!!!!!

----> look everybody! what a strange creature! it LOOKS like a troll but isn't one!

Hate much? Smokers have rights too.

Rape, murder, and pedophilia are illegal, tobacco is not.

As a long term, now reformed, smoker; I understand your health points. That does not mean that I agree with you. You are welcome to your views and I will defend your right to voice them, but I do beleive that this post belongs in Rants rather than Disease and Pandemics.

The points that I disagree with the most are you saying that smokers don't love their children, that they don't care about others and all your other hate rants.

I smoked for over 30 years and I always asked those around me if they minded if I smoked and did not light up if they did. I did not smoke in my home, I always smoked outside. As an adult I knew the health risks to myself and others and yes, I still chose to smoke.

You refer to all smokers as drug addicts and there is research to back you up; but I, for one, feel pity for most addicts not rage and hate.

Addiction is a disease, not a choice. Before you cut a group of people down as hard as you have here, try to walk a mile in their shoes first.

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Ah. After reading quite a bit in a couple threads. Now I see. Your hatred for smokers stems from the fact you were arrested for forgetting that your rights end where their rights begin?

Originally posted by robomont
really!?
radon kills 21000 people every year with lung cancer.radon comes from burning fossil fuels,deisel exaust is the most carcinogenic substance expelled in the air today,you are breathing my air,your farts are contaminating my air,soldier stayed alert smoking cigs during ww2,our country was founded on tobacco,the shamans smoke it to comunicate with the gods.
not getting many stars and flags.?
cig smoke drives away pricks like you,making for a more delightful life experience.
may you die a healthy young life ,full of pain.

No not getting many stars and flags. But that is not the point. I did not expect to. My reasoning is that smoking tends to be (not exclusively) a habit picked up by working class people, jobless people, people with run of the mill lives who have many problems ranging from finances to living mundane live and feeling like they are getting walked over by banks, corporations, government etc. I would guess pretty accurately that most people on here fall into this category.
Some do not obviously. But most do. So their view on this thread hurts them and they feel another person is pushing them down and trying to impose more regulation on their lives. So star and flags are only going to be coming from Non smoking, educated and people with prosperous lives who do not have the same worries that these poor folk do. What I am trying to do is stress how BAD smoking is for those of us decent people who do not smoke!

Originally posted by randomtangentsrme
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Ah. After reading quite a bit a a couple threads. Now I see. Your hatred for smokers stems from the fact you were arrested for forgetting that your rights end where their rights begin?

I have always had a dislike for smokers. However it was again raised by the person who breathed his poison in my direction.

I never liked people who have no respect for themselves as they have no respect for others. But I will admit that me getting arrested for having my health breached did annoy me. But that will now resolve itself nicely but not so nicely for the person who committed an offense against me and then refused to correct his behavior when i asked.

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The more of your posts that I read the sorrier I feel for you.

You say smokers are as bad a pedophiles. I won't argue that point because it truly does not deserve a response. I will just add this. If that is your child in your avatar, she or he is the one that I feel the worst for, teaching one so young the kind of hate that you carry within your heart is the one of the worst sorts of child abuse there is.

I would wish you peace, but I don't think you would recognize it if it found you.

Originally posted by gamesmaster63
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The more of your posts that I read the sorrier I feel for you.

You say smokers are as bad a pedophiles. I won't argue that point because it truly does not deserve a response. I will just add this. If that is your child in your avatar, she or he is the one that I feel the worst for, teaching one so young the kind of hate that you carry within your heart is the one of the worst sorts of child abuse there is.

I would wish you peace, but I don't think you would recognize it if it found you.

I agree with what you're saying, and have no idea why I'm coming to this ^%$^%^ defense at the moment, but the avatar appears to be a mispelled "santa" as the girl is wearing a santa hat and the pic looks like it's of santa as well.

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Well he is now sucking food through a straw and I have a charge against me for the time being. Again luck is on my side and the desk Sargent who bailed me while they "gather more evidence" happens to be the co-chair of one of my groups who meet monthly. But the point is I was wronged by someone who does not care to think of others. I asked him to blow his smoke else where in the other direction and he chose not too. Karma baby!

Instead of walking away and removing yourself from his life threatening smoke, you chose to beat the crap out of him, and you think that's a perfectly acceptable way to handle the situation? Do you teach your child to beat the crap out of someone if they don't do as you say?

You've got some serious anger problems and I can't see that much anger stemming from cigarette smoke. I hope those meetings you are going to are for anger management.

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I understand how annoying it is not getting your way. May I ask; Was your arrest a recent occurrence?