If Your Going To Vote For Kerry You Better Watch This Video........

Yes, and coke is coke. You are defending Bush, even though you don't seem to know anything about him, you only assume that because he played by the rules, your rules in this case, that he is the one in the clear. However, he never went to war!!! Do you understand this? He got out by having his daddy pull some strings so he would never see real action. You support a coward, I support a patriot.

Originally posted by loamThen I�d suggest you avail yourself of that bunker again!

Hate to say it, but another terrorist attack will inevitably happen once again in our future, regardless of who is in office.

The question remains, will we, as a nation, be wise enough to overcome that inevitability, or will we simply react emotionally and encourage the very danger we seek to end?

In my view, terrorism is a problem for all of civilized humanity. Divisiveness (other than against the terrorist themselves) can hardly be called a strategy to keep us safe.

That�s my point........ like I said........ Kerry standing around with his hands in his pocket saying "Why can't we all just get along", your right if he wins the election I'll dig my bunker deeper so I can invite you all to get inside with me........ I do not hold any hard feelings and saving your lives should prove it.

Originally posted by Sigma
Yes, and coke is coke. You are defending Bush, even though you don't seem to know anything about him, you only assume that because he played by the rules, your rules in this case, that he is the one in the clear. However, he never went to war!!! Do you understand this? He got out by having his daddy pull some strings so he would never see real action. You support a coward, I support a patriot.

I got one word for you Democrats "Clinton", now there was a draft dodger for you to ponder over.

You go ahead and dig yourself a hole, I will be here in the real world. I still can't believe you think he would just sit by idly and let our country, and world go down the toilet.

So Firebase you wanted the Vietnam War to continue? 58,000 men were killed during it. It was starting to cost alot in lives and money and protesters like John Kerry helped to draw attention to it and that helped to stop it. That does'nt count for anything?
I have two uncles who were in Vietnam by the way. They don't like to talk about their war experiences.

Whoever wrote, "No man is an island" sure didn't read this thread.

I never said anything about Clinton. I am not voting for him in this election, and that is not really the criteria I base my vote on, as you seem to do. The fact that he was in Vietnam, hardly has anything to do with current events, however it can be a judge of character, but as you have shown, it can be dragged through the mud. I am just pointing out that your precious Bush, is a very flawed man, who never saw action. Your point is mute.

Maybe you should vote for hitler, he is one hellova war leader.

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Originally posted by Firebase

Originally posted by loamThen I�d suggest you avail yourself of that bunker again!

Hate to say it, but another terrorist attack will inevitably happen once again in our future, regardless of who is in office.

The question remains, will we, as a nation, be wise enough to overcome that inevitability, or will we simply react emotionally and encourage the very danger we seek to end?

In my view, terrorism is a problem for all of civilized humanity. Divisiveness (other than against the terrorist themselves) can hardly be called a strategy to keep us safe.

That�s my point........ like I said........ Kerry standing around with his hands in his pocket saying "Why can't we all just get along", your right if he wins the election I'll dig my bunker deeper so I can invite you all to get inside with me........ I do not hold any hard feelings and saving your lives should prove it.

I think you missed my point.

Thanks for the invitation....Why don�t you keep the place warm? We�ll let you know when the coast is clear.

Originally posted by elaine
So Firebase you wanted the Vietnam War to continue? 58,000 men were killed during it. It was starting to cost alot in lives and money and protesters like John Kerry helped to draw attention to it and that helped to stop it. That does'nt count for anything?
I have two uncles who were in Vietnam by the way. They don't like to talk about their war experiences.

No I did not care for the war..... and I do talk about what I did there..... it was my job as a Marine and my duty as an American......

As for Kerry he came back to the states and for his own self promotion he stood with groups who wanted to kill leaders of our governemnt, and traded information with the North Vietnamese..... he help stop the war alright...the Noth Vietnam government loved him..... .but at the same time he help kill Americans still on the ground in Vietnam.... ask the POWs how they feel about what he did upon his return to the USA......

He cannot be trusted to do the right thing... I would not want to be in a firefight with him as the man watching my back..... if he saw it was to his best interest to leave me high and dry...... guess what?


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Originally posted by Firebase
Please I bet of you......... Tell me where Sen John Kerry was at...... mmmmm think he was above ground, or in a bunker all safe and sound? Did you get any phone calls from him asking if your OK, did he invite you down into his bunker, thats right just as i figured.

You�re dodging the topic, Kerry wasn�t the president at the time, Bush is the president, and he is a prime target. Kerry wasn�t putting children in danger by staying in a school during an attack. If Kerry was in a bunker, good! HE wasn�t at a SCHOOL, Bush was at a SCHOOL. He took to long to react, and was also ENDANGERING children�s lives. Same thing, did Bush call you and make sure you ok? No, he was to busy screwing around in a elementary school.

See the neocons attempt to define our reality by voicing their absurd, paranoid opinion first. Consequently we all waste our time reading their drivel and attempting to reason with them, or defending their baseless attacks. George Bush has nothing to do with the truth.

If kerry becomes president then you can bet your rear end that a terrorist attack on this country will happen again after Jan 2005..... If Kerry had been president would I still be down in my bunker instead of knocking around with you on the internet?

Now the great thing about this is they are as much little tool of the Bush propaganda wing as is Fox News and Limbaugh's "Ditto Heads". Bush doesn't forward conservative interests. Bush forwards oils interests.

How does anyone know what Kerry would have done? F anyone for even conjecturing what Kerry would have done. No one knows. We do know that Georgie Boy ran like the little Yale cheerleader he is when asked to put his ass on the line during the Vietnam war. We also know what Bush did on 9/11 and, he is still trying to capitalize on this national tragedy. A convention in New York around the anniversary of 9/11. Get out of town Bush. Why does Bushie even bother with all the show? Isn't bro Jeb gunna jump in and save his monkey ass anyways? Steal another election?

Brickbats are the answer. The soul of this country is being strangled by the neocons and the right thinking "born again" crowd.

War is Peace.

So you believe he caused the resulting conflicts in Vietnam? His delegation was an attempt to undermine your position in Vietnam and sell you out huh? Comn lets blame the whole war on him while we are at it and Bush convinced everyone to go AWOL. This discussion is becoming absurd! Can you make a reasonable response to why you want to elect Bush, besides the fact you hate Kerry? Do you look at any other issues?

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hooah I'll be back.......... don't count me out.....

Guess he took my advice....

At ease soldier... permission to sleep... granted.

I hate to tell you this but the terrorists don't care who the president is. They are on their own timetable not ours.

Whether Bush is re-elected or not doesn't matter, if the terrorists are planning something and they can pull it off they'll do it, it doesn't matter if the president is Bush, Kerry or Nader for that matter.

The terrorists don't care. As for who would be a tougher president, that's silly. If Ghandi had been president during 9/11 even he'd have gone to war.

Hell I'm pretty much a live and let live kind of guy, but if I had been president I'd have gone to war too. War in Afghanistan that is, not Iraq, that's a seperate issue and even the 9/11 commission found no ties between Iraq and the attack of 9/11

So again it's not who is the toughest president, it's who is the smartest president, going to war and fighting terrorism on american soil is going to be a problem for a while so fighting it is not the issue, it's how you fight.

So between the two and unfortunately the only two, you have to decide who is the more intelligent fighter, Bush or Kerry.

Spiderj

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This is so bogus using dead Americans of WTC to say Bush is better than Kerry,
Do you really believe that showing footage and stills of 9/11 is going to make people � say hey yea �Firebase is right, Kerry couldn�t manage under the pressure, Only Bush could do it, The AWOL Bush, The Bush who gave up looking for Ben-Laden, The Bush who invaded a third world country�. No! you�re right, I don�t think Kerry has the Balls to have done that, I don�t think anyone in there right mind would have done what George Bush has done to America, painted Bulls eyes on every American that travels the world.

George W. Bush himself has repeatedly JOKED about the 911 attack
Lucky me. I hit the trifecta," George W. Bush, shortly after 9/11 - quoted by Bush Budget Director Mitch Daniels, 11/28/01











www.georgewalkerbush.net...







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Bush is a pus*y boy who avoided the war altogether because of his Daddy's connections. He Was AWOL and probably a Deserter In Alabama for Pete's sake. He couldn't even be bothered to show up.

Amazing how ignorant religious white males will follow him anywhere. But You know how some guys are when they get a whiff of pus*y.
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Originally posted by Sauron
This is so bogus using dead Americans of WTC to say Bush is better than Kerry,
Do you really believe that showing footage and stills of 9/11 is going to make people � say hey yea �Firebase is right, Kerry couldn�t manage under the pressure, Only Bush could do it, The AWOL Bush, The Bush who gave up looking for Ben-Laden, The Bush who invaded a third world country�. No! you�re right, I don�t think Kerry has the Balls to have done that, I don�t think anyone in there right mind would have done what George Bush has done to America, painted Bulls eyes on every American that travels the world.
George W. Bush himself has repeatedly JOKED about the 911 attack
Lucky me. I hit the trifecta," George W. Bush, shortly after 9/11 - quoted by Bush Budget Director Mitch Daniels, 11/28/01
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***George Bush has done to America, painted Bulls eyes on every American that travels the world.

So before the Iraq war started there was no Bulls eyes on Americans that travel the world? Please give me a break with that. What was September 11, 2001.

As for how Democrats handle terrorist, go watch a movie (but it's not just a movie is it?), maybe something like "Black Hawk Down." Now that is how Kerry's party feels about supporting our troops while they fight terrorist, or maybe think back to the great days of "Jimmy Carter", what was that, got sand in the motors and the planes ran into each other trying to get into and out of Iran.... maybe if the Democrats cared to spend money and update our military equipment back in those days the operation would had been a success..... mmmmmm

Then along comes Kerry, I'm sure he'll do a much better job of fighting the Terrorist then his side kicks, but maybe your right, maybe he'll stand up for America and this time do it right. But then again it could turn into another Mogadishu, Somalia, or another 444-day Iran hostage crisis (only ending after a Republican became president of the USA).As for me brother I'm voting Bush for FOUR MORE YEARS!

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Firebase: Is there enough room in your bunker for Bill O'Reilly?

Seriously.. are you trolling or are you as stupid as you come across?

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My post at madison.com:

In my opinion, liberal, right wing, left wing, conservative; these are all meaningless labels which further divide the American people. Protestors are liberal, so they must be Democrats, right? At least this is what Fox news would like you to believe.

The Democrat/Republican separation is merely a guise to keep the public up in arms amongst each other. Nevermind the fact that both John Kerry and George W. Bush were both tapped at Yale for Skull and Bones during the same year. (www.cbsnews.com...). Nevermind the fact that this elite group is linked to the various elitist organizations such as the Bilderberger Group, The Council on Foreign Relations, The Trilateral Commission, all of which are infinitesimally linked to the Fed, IMF and the World Bank. Nevermind the fact that both Bush and Kerry are distant cousins both with ancestry dating back to King Henry IV (www.msnbc.msn.com...).

Keep in mind that this two party system has the same agenda. They both follow the same public polls closely and try to appease the masses based on public opinion. Their differences are few and far between, and at the very least, only differ on a few miniscule details. Gun control. Abortion. Gay rights. Everything else merely exists in their wording, and their actions.

The problem is that researching this kind of information would consume every day of your average American�s life, and that's if you know what to look for. Most Americans have a hard enough time going to work, supporting their families, drinking their Coors light and watching football, to even give a second thought as to who's really running this country.

What further perpetuates this American deceit is that of the television news media. Rupert Murdock (CEO of Fox news and its affiliates) has a global reach of nearly 4.3 billion people, through satellite, cable, and movie production studios; nearly 3/4ths of the world population. He is notorious for being belligerently Republican-biased, but claims that Fox is �fair and balanced.� Watching a single episode of Bill O�Reilly�s �No Spin Zone� (another fine example of doublethink) will show you otherwise. Keep in mind that Fox does not advertise this program as an editorial commentary (as it should be), but as a �definitive news source.�

All that I can suggest is to follow the alternative media. Read internet news as opposed to the big 5 broadcasting companies. There are numerous documentaries (NOT Fahrenheit 9/11) whose research far exceeds anything you�ll read in the 9/11 Commission report. All that I can ask is that it is your duty as an American, to follow the money that influences your government. Ask yourself, �who benefits,� because ultimately, this is what matters.