Can Satan read our minds??How about demons and other kinds of spirits?

Originally posted by Northwarden
reply to post by jhill76

 

These topics have been on my mind all day and there's a rough draft already in my mind, but it's going to take a lot more work than a first draft. There's some subjects I simply wish I'd already studied, years ago. Thanks for the encouragement.

Please send me a PM when you do, I can provide insight where needed.

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Thank you as well, and I should add it wouldn't sit right to outrun a topic unless the topic was properly expanded at the same time. Good advice, and that'll help in the future. I'ma to it.

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Very decent, and I will ... a few here, come to think of it.

Hey, 1000th post!

Originally posted by jhill76
reply to post by InshaAllah

 

1st their where humans here before adam and eve, they were not the 1st humans here.

This is true to a point. There were other humans, but not before, but during.

2. they had no need to breed because humans were all ready here

All of mankind has to live out there time here, so yes to bring the other souls of mankind here, there had to be babies born.

3. they could not breed with the human population because they where semi angels half human half angel

There are some of those still here today. They are not allowed to breed with mankind.

4. the tree of life never existed (as the catholic, christians church's teach) , so eve never ate the apple and gave it to adam which caused their fall. it just never happened. eve as well as adam where told not to have sex with the population of earth then. their where many problems adam and eve faced at their arrival on this planet. The lucifer rebelion being one. our planet because of the lucifer rebelliion had been placed into something called spiritual isolation in order to stop lucifer from infecting other worlds.

This is not true either, no spiritual isolation. There are others like lucifer, in the other worlds. But, he was the only successful one in bringing other angels with him.

6. demons do not exist NOW. what i mean demons where never an entity. Demons where also abolished from this planet at jesus pentacost. so where they causing mayhem before jesus arrival. yes did they enter bodies for possession, more than likely yes. They are no longer here.

You can't see demons, so how can you state this, just because you were told. They are surely here. Just as angels from above here, there are demons from below here.

7. what where demons......the where the rebel mid-wayers ( a type of angel) that fell with caligastia and lucifer.

No different type of angel. In the beginning, all angels were equal. Only because we have Earth and other places that we need the hierarchy. Once it is complete, everything all angels will go back to being equal.

8. what is a midwayer. its a angel from another dimension entering our own. to help with fostering truth. alot of them sided with lucifer. when he argued his points to michael in heaven.

A lot of them have since asked Father to come back into heaven, because it didn't turn out like Lucificer said it would.

10. stop fostering fear in the world with all this demons exist crap. shouldnt we as a whole try to focus on the positive rather than the negative. what good can come out of believing in demons.

You basiclly reaffirmed my point, yes the rebel midwayers where given a chance to repent, along with lucifer as well as caligastia. so did some did not.

there has and always will be diffrent classes in angels..lol cheribum,nephillium,seraphim,voice of god angel, hahaha it comes from your bible silly.

this planet is currently in spiritual isolation: per the urantia book (urantia being the celestial name for earth)

2. The Outbreak of Rebellion

(755.3) 67:2.1 Shortly after Satan’s inspection and when the planetary administration was on the eve of the realization of great things on Urantia, one day, midwinter of the northern continents, Caligastia held a prolonged conference with his associate, Daligastia, after which the latter called the ten councils of Urantia in session extraordinary. This assembly was opened with the statement that Prince Caligastia was about to proclaim himself absolute sovereign of Urantia and demanded that all administrative groups abdicate by resigning all of their functions and powers into the hands of Daligastia as trustee, pending the reorganization of the planetary government and the subsequent redistribution of these offices of administrative authority.

(755.4) 67:2.2 The presentation of this astounding demand was followed by the masterly appeal of Van, chairman of the supreme council of co-ordination. This distinguished administrator and able jurist branded the proposed course of Caligastia as an act bordering on planetary rebellion and appealed to his conferees to abstain from all participation until an appeal could be taken to Lucifer, the System Sovereign of Satania; and he won the support of the entire staff. Accordingly, appeal was taken to Jerusem, and forthwith came back the orders designating Caligastia as supreme sovereign on Urantia and commanding absolute and unquestioning allegiance to his mandates. And it was in reply to this amazing message that the noble Van made his memorable address of seven hours’ length in which he formally drew his indictment of Daligastia, Caligastia,

.3 Meantime the system circuits had been severed; Urantia was isolated. Every group of celestial life on the planet found itself suddenly and without warning isolated, utterly cut off from all outside counsel and advice.

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there has and always will be diffrent classes in angels..lol cheribum,nephillium,seraphim,voice of god angel, hahaha it comes from your bible silly.

It wasn't like this before creation. Those classes were given after creation. All angels were equal in the beginning. I need no book to give me these things.

yes all angels are equal and are equal today, but that does not mean their cannot be diffrent classes of angels.

diffrent does not mean better its just diffrent groups of beings. some specialize in different things. whats so hard to understand about that

yes all angels are equal and are equal today, but that does not mean their cannot be diffrent classes of angels.

diffrent does not mean better its just diffrent groups of beings. some specialize in different things. whats so hard to understand about that

Originally posted by InshaAllah
yes all angels are equal and are equal today, but that does not mean their cannot be diffrent classes of angels.

diffrent does not mean better its just diffrent groups of beings. some specialize in different things. whats so hard to understand about that

You're not understanding, those classes doesn't signify equality. In the beginning, there were no archangels, etc. There were even no classes of angels in the beginning. My point being, it started at creation of man, not in the very beginning.

If you see an archangel walk through a crowd of guardian angels, you can bet you will see how they show respect. Archangels are allowed in the temple, some angels are not. All angels are not equal, different tasks, yes. But, not equal.

It does not mean better or worse, just not equal. Look at an arch and a regular angel, very much different.

concering Adam and Eve

per the urantia book:


The Planetary Adams


(580.1) 51:0.1 DURING the dispensation of a Planetary Prince, primitive man reaches the limit of natural evolutionary development, and this biologic attainment signals the System Sovereign to dispatch to such a world the second order of sonship, the biologic uplifters. These Sons, for there are two of them — the Material Son and Daughter — are usually known on a planet as Adam and Eve. The original Material Son of Satania is Adam, and those who go to the system worlds as biologic uplifters always carry the name of this first and original Son of their unique order.

(580.2) 51:0.2 These Sons are the material gift of the Creator Son to the inhabited worlds. Together with the Planetary Prince, they remain on their planet of assignment throughout the evolutionary course of such a sphere. Such an adventure on a world having a Planetary Prince is not much of a hazard, but on an apostate planet, a realm without a spiritual ruler and deprived of interplanetary communication, such a mission is fraught with grave danger.

(580.3) 51:0.3 Although you cannot hope to know all about the work of these Sons on all the worlds of Satania and other systems, other papers depict more fully the life and experiences of the interesting pair, Adam and Eve, who came from the corps of the biologic uplifters of Jerusem to upstep the Urantia races. While there was a miscarriage of the ideal plans for improving your native races, still, Adam’s mission was not in vain; Urantia has profited immeasurably from the gift of Adam and Eve, and among their fellows and in the councils on high their work is not reckoned as a total loss

Concering the Lucifer rebelion : taken from the urantia book:

The Lucifer Rebellion


(601.1) 53:0.1 LUCIFER was a brilliant primary Lanonandek Son of Nebadon. He had experienced service in many systems, had been a high counselor of his group, and was distinguished for wisdom, sagacity, and efficiency. Lucifer was number 37 of his order, and when commissioned by the Melchizedeks, he was designated as one of the one hundred most able and brilliant personalities in more than seven hundred thousand of his kind. From such a magnificent beginning, through evil and error, he embraced sin and now is numbered as one of three System Sovereigns in Nebadon who have succumbed to the urge of self and surrendered to the sophistry of spurious personal liberty — rejection of universe allegiance and disregard of fraternal obligations, blindness to cosmic relationships.

(601.2) 53:0.2 In the universe of Nebadon, the domain of Christ Michael, there are ten thousand systems of inhabited worlds. In all the history of Lanonandek Sons, in all their work throughout these thousands of systems and at the universe headquarters, only three System Sovereigns have ever been found in contempt of the government of the Creator Son.


1. The Leaders of Rebellion

(601.3) 53:1.1 Lucifer was not an ascendant being; he was a created Son of the local universe, and of him it was said: “You were perfect in all your ways from the day you were created till unrighteousness was found in you.” Many times had he been in counsel with the Most Highs of Edentia. And Lucifer reigned “upon the holy mountain of God,” the administrative mount of Jerusem, for he was the chief executive of a great system of 607 inhabited worlds.

(601.4) 53:1.2 Lucifer was a magnificent being, a brilliant personality; he stood next to the Most High Fathers of the constellations in the direct line of universe authority. Notwithstanding Lucifer’s transgression, subordinate intelligences refrained from showing him disrespect and disdain prior to Michael’s bestowal on Urantia. Even the archangel of Michael, at the time of Moses’ resurrection, “did not bring against him an accusing judgment but simply said, ‘the Judge rebuke you.’” Judgment in such matters belongs to the Ancients of Days, the rulers of the superuniverse.

(601.5) 53:1.3 Lucifer is now the fallen and deposed Sovereign of Satania. Self-contemplation is most disastrous, even to the exalted personalities of the celestial world. Of Lucifer it was said: “Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty; you corrupted your wisdom because of your brightness.” Your olden prophet saw his sad estate when he wrote: “How are you fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How are you cast down, you who dared to confuse the worlds!”

(602.1) 53:1.4 Very little was heard of Lucifer on Urantia owing to the fact that he assigned his first lieutenant, Satan, to advocate his cause on your planet. Satan was a member of the same primary group of Lanonandeks but had never functioned as a System Sovereign; he entered fully into the Lucifer insurrection. The “devil” is none other than Caligastia, the deposed Planetary Prince of Urantia and a Son of the secondary order of Lanonandeks. At the time Michael was on Urantia in the flesh, Lucifer, Satan, and Caligastia were leagued together to effect the miscarriage of his bestowal mission. But they signally failed.

(602.2) 53:1.5 Abaddon was the chief of the staff of Caligastia. He followed his master into rebellion and has ever since acted as chief executive of the Urantia rebels. Beelzebub was the leader of the disloyal midway creatures who allied themselves with the forces of the traitorous Caligastia.

(602.3) 53:1.6 The dragon eventually became the symbolic representation of all these evil personages. Upon the triumph of Michael, “Gabriel came down from Salvington and bound the dragon (all the rebel leaders) for an age.” Of the Jerusem seraphic rebels it is written: “And the angels who kept not their first estate but left their own habitation, he has reserved in sure chains of darkness to the judgment of the great day.

Originally posted by InshaAllah

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000

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Originally posted by Ophiuchus 13

Originally posted by InshaAllah

It was not an apple eve ate but rather she slept with a leader of a barbaric tribe outside of eden. this was the supposedly fall of man.

how did ADAM receive the knowledge

That interpretation is wrong on so many levels.

me or him?

Your interpretation is wrong. The adama and eve hadn't even begun to breed until they fell from grace. They had no need to breed because the human race didn't begin to die until the fall. These 2 were the first man and first woman, as adama means "first man" created by Yahweh. This ofcourse if you discount the DSS account of a creature called Lilith being the first woman. The Holy Roman Catholic Church omitted any knowledge of Lilith being the adama's first mate.

No my interpretation is not wrong.

1st their where humans here before adam and eve, they were not the 1st humans here.

2. they had no need to breed because humans were all ready here

3. they could not breed with the human population because they where semi angels half human half angel

4. the tree of life never existed (as the catholic, christians church's teach) , so eve never ate the apple and gave it
to adam which caused their fall. it just never happened. eve as well as adam where told not to have sex with the population of earth then. their where many problems adam and eve faced at their arrival on this planet. The lucifer rebelion being one. our planet because of the lucifer rebelliion had been placed into something called spiritual isolation in order to stop lucifer from infecting other worlds.

5. Satan is Caligastia that is his name, he did roam earth after the fall of lucifer and is still roaming to this day.

6. demons do not exist NOW. what i mean demons where never an entity. Demons where also abolished from this planet at jesus pentacost. so where they causing mayhem before jesus arrival. yes
did they enter bodies for possession, more than likely yes. They are no longer here.

7. what where demons......the where the rebel mid-wayers ( a type of angel) that fell with caligastia and lucifer.

8. what is a midwayer. its a angel from another dimension entering our own. to help with fostering truth. alot of them sided with lucifer. when he argued his points to michael in heaven.

9. caligastia is allowed to roam because he was our planetary prince. he never was outed just brushed aside kind of. he plays with the weakminded, simply cause he has almost no power and needs a weak person to infect.

10. stop fostering fear in the world with all this demons exist crap. shouldnt we as a whole try to focus on the positive rather than the negative. what good can come out of believing in demons.

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Demons are so so real..I get racked up by them all the time....Adam and eve were the first flesh on this planet...Its all in the bible...I can see spirits and i have seen many demons

The default of adam and eve: from the urantia book

3. The Temptation of Eve

(841.1) 75:3.1 Adam had just finished his first one hundred years on earth when Serapatatia, upon the death of his father, came to the leadership of the western or Syrian confederation of the Nodite tribes. Serapatatia was a brown-tinted man, a brilliant descendant of the onetime chief of the Dalamatia commission on health mated with one of the master female minds of the blue race of those distant days. All down through the ages this line had held authority and wielded a great influence among the western Nodite tribes.

(841.2) 75:3.2 Serapatatia had made several visits to the Garden and had become deeply impressed with the righteousness of Adam’s cause. And shortly after assuming the leadership of the Syrian Nodites, he announced his intention of establishing an affiliation with the work of Adam and Eve in the Garden. The majority of his people joined him in this program, and Adam was cheered by the news that the most powerful and the most intelligent of all the neighboring tribes had swung over almost bodily to the support of the program for world improvement; it was decidedly heartening. And shortly after this great event, Serapatatia and his new staff were entertained by Adam and Eve in their own home.

(841.3) 75:3.3 Serapatatia became one of the most able and efficient of all of Adam’s lieutenants. He was entirely honest and thoroughly sincere in all of his activities; he was never conscious, even later on, that he was being used as a circumstantial tool of the wily Caligastia.

(841.4) 75:3.4 Presently, Serapatatia became the associate chairman of the Edenic commission on tribal relations, and many plans were laid for the more vigorous prosecution of the work of winning the remote tribes to the cause of the Garden.

(841.5) 75:3.5 He held many conferences with Adam and Eve — especially with Eve — and they talked over many plans for improving their methods. One day, during a talk with Eve, it occurred to Serapatatia that it would be very helpful if, while awaiting the recruiting of large numbers of the violet race, something could be done in the meantime immediately to advance the needy waiting tribes. Serapatatia contended that, if the Nodites, as the most progressive and co-operative race, could have a leader born to them of part origin in the violet stock, it would constitute a powerful tie binding these peoples more closely to the Garden. And all of this was soberly and honestly considered to be for the good of the world since this child, to be reared and educated in the Garden, would exert a great influence for good over his father’s people.

(841.6) 75:3.6 It should again be emphasized that Serapatatia was altogether honest and wholly sincere in all that he proposed. He never once suspected that he was playing into the hands of Caligastia and Daligastia. Serapatatia was entirely loyal to the plan of building up a strong reserve of the violet race before attempting the world-wide upstepping of the confused peoples of Urantia. But this would require hundreds of years to consummate, and he was impatient; he wanted to see some immediate results — something in his own lifetime. He made it clear to Eve that Adam was oftentimes discouraged by the little that had been accomplished toward uplifting the world.

(841.7) 75:3.7 For more than five years these plans were secretly matured. At last they had developed to the point where Eve consented to have a secret conference with Cano, the most brilliant mind and active leader of the near-by colony of friendly Nodites. Cano was very sympathetic with the Adamic regime; in fact, he was the sincere spiritual leader of those neighboring Nodites who favored friendly relations with the Garden.

(842.1) 75:3.8 The fateful meeting occurred during the twilight hours of the autumn evening, not far from the home of Adam. Eve had never before met the beautiful and enthusiastic Cano — and he was a magnificent specimen of the survival of the superior physique and outstanding intellect of his remote progenitors of the Prince’s staff. And Cano also thoroughly believed in the righteousness of the Serapatatia project. (Outside of the Garden, multiple mating was a common practice.)

(842.2) 75:3.9 Influenced by flattery, enthusiasm, and great personal persuasion, Eve then and there consented to embark upon the much-discussed enterprise, to add her own little scheme of world saving to the larger and more far-reaching divine plan. Before she quite realized what was transpiring, the fatal step had been taken. It was done.

more from the urantia book: concerning adam and eve's default

4. The Realization of Default

(842.3) 75:4.1 The celestial life of the planet was astir. Adam recognized that something was wrong, and he asked Eve to come aside with him in the Garden. And now, for the first time, Adam heard the entire story of the long-nourished plan for accelerating world improvement by operating simultaneously in two directions: the prosecution of the divine plan concomitantly with the execution of the Serapatatia enterprise.

(842.4) 75:4.2 And as the Material Son and Daughter thus communed in the moonlit Garden, “the voice in the Garden” reproved them for disobedience. And that voice was none other than my own announcement to the Edenic pair that they had transgressed the Garden covenant; that they had disobeyed the instructions of the Melchizedeks; that they had defaulted in the execution of their oaths of trust to the sovereign of the universe.

(842.5) 75:4.3 Eve had consented to participate in the practice of good and evil. Good is the carrying out of the divine plans; sin is a deliberate transgression of the divine will; evil is the misadaptation of plans and the maladjustment of techniques resulting in universe disharmony and planetary confusion.

(842.6) 75:4.4 Every time the Garden pair had partaken of the fruit of the tree of life, they had been warned by the archangel custodian to refrain from yielding to the suggestions of Caligastia to combine good and evil. They had been thus admonished: “In the day that you commingle good and evil, you shall surely become as the mortals of the realm; you shall surely die.”

(842.7) 75:4.5 Eve had told Cano of this oft-repeated warning on the fateful occasion of their secret meeting, but Cano, not knowing the import or significance of such admonitions, had assured her that men and women with good motives and true intentions could do no evil; that she should surely not die but rather live anew in the person of their offspring, who would grow up to bless and stabilize the world.

(842.8) 75:4.6 Even though this project of modifying the divine plan had been conceived and executed with entire sincerity and with only the highest motives concerning the welfare of the world, it constituted evil because it represented the wrong way to achieve righteous ends, because it departed from the right way, the divine plan.

(843.1) 75:4.7 True, Eve had found Cano pleasant to the eyes, and she realized all that her seducer promised by way of “new and increased knowledge of human affairs and quickened understanding of human nature as supplemental to the comprehension of the Adamic nature.”

(843.2) 75:4.8 I talked to the father and mother of the violet race that night in the Garden as became my duty under the sorrowful circumstances. I listened fully to the recital of all that led up to the default of Mother Eve and gave both of them advice and counsel concerning the immediate situation. Some of this advice they followed; some they disregarded. This conference appears in your records as “the Lord God calling to Adam and Eve in the Garden and asking, ‘Where are you?’” It was the practice of later generations to attribute everything unusual and extraordinary, whether natural or spiritual, directly to the personal intervention of the Gods

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when i lived on Superstition Mountain, Arizona, everyone i knew kept talking about the "spirits" on the mountain.
the natives told early Spanish explorers so many stories, that is how the mountain was named.

when working on the garden, i sensed that someone was "reading" my mind.

later on, i decided that if it happened again, i would think of a tv program i had recently seen until it stopped.

as the weeks went by, it kept happening, and i screened my mind.
eventually the being became lazy and was busy reminiscing, etc while connected to me.
i could "see" his mind which was very beautiful.
his thoughts reminded me of a mayan glyph,i reminded him of someone?

i thought i had the "problem" under control.

one day, i heard noise coming from the master bedroom.
i knew i was alone in the house, so i went to investigate.
in the bedroom i could hear the very rapid beating of air, as by wings, and an earthy smell.
i knew someone was on the other side of the bed, but i could see no one.

so in telepathy i asked, why can't i see you?
he ignored me.
so again i asked, why can't i see you?

then i lost control of my emotions and communicated in their own form:

"all beings have the right to live according to their state at birth.
i was born to free will".

he was "amused" by a human communicating this way and he said who are you?

i said why can't i see you?

he said "it would damage you"

at that point a desert cat ran in the room and jumping through the air attacked this being i could not see.

the being then went through the wall into the bathroom.

i thought the bathroom has a mirror, maybe i can see this way.
the cat ran in front of the door and pleaded with me not to open.
thinking the cat was probably smarter than i, i took her advice.

the next day, while working in the garden, i sense the presence of a being of incredible power.
asked me "who are you", it was as if i ceased to exist, and then when i recovered, he said i was human.

next, when watching tv, the cat jumped on my knees, the dog under my feet.
neither one of these were like pets, just animals on the mountain i had befriended.
i laughed and said what's going on.
looking behind me i saw a being of white light in the room.
with a sense of humor, told the critters, and you think i can save you. and laughed.
i got up, walked to this being and stood there looking at his face.
he was angelic in vibes.

people visiting me saw these beings, some went hysterical, some associated them with me, other than a few friends who understood i was still me, my life fell apart.
even if 4 centuries before the Indians told the Spaniards about these spirits.


also there are beings made out of grey materiel that don't seem to be from this dimension.
the guardians of time(always two), they are very tall, have a cloak that covers everything except their face, never smile and have no sense of humor.are grayish black in color.
having control over time wave, they can open portals between dimensions.

also twice, i saw two large eyes, oblong and smaller in the middle.
black in color surrounded by grey material similar to the guardians of time.
maybe from same dimension.
introduced itself as the eyes that see god.
although overwhelmed by it's presence at first, it moved by hopping, which made me smile.

all my life, I've read the sacred texts, studied science, extraterrestrials, to try and understand these beings.

with a sense of humor,these being treated me as humans would a squirrel that could speak English.
they made a big deal out of a human understanding their communications.
when my nerves shattered and i couln't sleep, the white light messenger floated through the door and said"go to sleep"
i woke up the next day rested.

whether any of these beings are the ones you are interrested in, i don't know.
there has to be a limit to how much the mind reading works, as 4 times, by two diferent beings, i was asked, "who are you?"

i'm only human, so all i have is personal impressions, hope it helps your search.

crap I heard if you tie a plastic bag over your head they can stop reading your mind just takes 10-15 minutes to work remeber guess law aluminum foil hats won't work if unless there are no gaps or holes in the film.

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You have not seen Satan although you may have seen one of his lesser subordinates. Satan is locked away in heaven right now but is soon to be kicked out of heaven by the arch angel Michael. The fifth trumpet of the book of Revelation is where the pit containing seven thousand watcher angels that were locked away for crossing their plain of existence to ours , to mate with our woman.


These fallen angels or demons now haw been let loose and are preparing the way for their masters return, Satan .. This is why so much more spontaneous evil is happening all over the earth.

more concering lucifer: as always from the urantia book:

3. The Lucifer Manifesto

(603.2) 53:3.1 Whatever the early origins of trouble in the hearts of Lucifer and Satan, the final outbreak took form as the Lucifer Declaration of Liberty. The cause of the rebels was stated under three heads:

(603.3) 53:3.2 1. The reality of the Universal Father. Lucifer charged that the Universal Father did not really exist, that physical gravity and space-energy were inherent in the universe, and that the Father was a myth invented by the Paradise Sons to enable them to maintain the rule of the universes in the Father’s name. He denied that personality was a gift of the Universal Father. He even intimated that the finaliters were in collusion with the Paradise Sons to foist fraud upon all creation since they never brought back a very clear-cut idea of the Father’s actual personality as it is discernible on Paradise. He traded on reverence as ignorance. The charge was sweeping, terrible, and blasphemous. It was this veiled attack upon the finaliters that no doubt influenced the ascendant citizens then on Jerusem to stand firm and remain steadfast in resistance to all the rebel’s proposals.

(603.4) 53:3.3 2. The universe government of the Creator Son — Michael. Lucifer contended that the local systems should be autonomous. He protested against the right of Michael, the Creator Son, to assume sovereignty of Nebadon in the name of a hypothetical Paradise Father and require all personalities to acknowledge allegiance to this unseen Father. He asserted that the whole plan of worship was a clever scheme to aggrandize the Paradise Sons. He was willing to acknowledge Michael as his Creator-father but not as his God and rightful ruler.

(603.5) 53:3.4 Most bitterly did he attack the right of the Ancients of Days — “foreign potentates” — to interfere in the affairs of the local systems and universes. These rulers he denounced as tyrants and usurpers. He exhorted his followers to believe that none of these rulers could do aught to interfere with the operation of complete home rule if men and angels only had the courage to assert themselves and boldly claim their rights.

(603.6) 53:3.5 He contended that the executioners of the Ancients of Days could be debarred from functioning in the local systems if the native beings would only assert their independence. He maintained that immortality was inherent in the system personalities, that resurrection was natural and automatic, and that all beings would live eternally except for the arbitrary and unjust acts of the executioners of the Ancients of Days.

(604.1) 53:3.6 3. The attack upon the universal plan of ascendant mortal training. Lucifer maintained that far too much time and energy were expended upon the scheme of so thoroughly training ascending mortals in the principles of universe administration, principles which he alleged were unethical and unsound. He protested against the agelong program for preparing the mortals of space for some unknown destiny and pointed to the presence of the finaliter corps on Jerusem as proof that these mortals had spent ages of preparation for some destiny of pure fiction. With derision he pointed out that the finaliters had encountered a destiny no more glorious than to be returned to humble spheres similar to those of their origin. He intimated that they had been debauched by overmuch discipline and prolonged training, and that they were in reality traitors to their mortal fellows since they were now co-operating with the scheme of enslaving all creation to the fictions of a mythical eternal destiny for ascending mortals. He advocated that ascenders should enjoy the liberty of individual self-determination. He challenged and condemned the entire plan of mortal ascension as sponsored by the Paradise Sons of God and supported by the Infinite Spirit.

(604.2) 53:3.7 And it was with such a Declaration of Liberty that Lucifer launched his orgy of darkness and death

You people do realize you are talking about mythical creatures and debating fairy tales right?


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Well if a fairy tell can beat the crap out of me that's really something..LOL

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Do you have some sort of evidence to back this up? Pictures? Videos?


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