As in the days of Noah?

Originally posted by SuperiorEd

Originally posted by jeichelberg
Something just came to me...I believe the Bible states the end times would be, "as in the days of Noah." In other words, things would be like they were when Noah was alive and preparing for the flood...So, can we expect that men will be living to nearly 1000 years old prior to the end? Would this be a sign?

edit on 20-10-2011 by jeichelberg because: misspelling in the title of the thread

Men did what was right in their own eyes instead of following the authority of God. This is what it refers to. All forms of unrighteousness take place today. The love of many wax cold. Brother against brother. These verses you refer to have nothing to do with a loophole you perceive in God's plan. This amounts to an accusation against God and pride, placing the self over the one who created reality. There is no higher truth than God produces from infinity. It is pointless to think our finite minds are a match for God.

You mistake my post for an accusation, when in fact it was a legitimate question concerning the meaning of the words...I am unsure if the, "days of Noah," portion could be specifically parsed to exclude certain portions of the circumstances...How is it only specific similarities to the, "days of Noah," would suffice as evidence and not the rest? "As in the days of Noah," would seem (at least to me) all of the characteristics and not just some cherry picked portions...I do not think God would set us up with loopholes...Loopholes is cherry picking...God knows our capabilities and inadequacies...

Originally posted by jeichelberg

Originally posted by SuperiorEd

Originally posted by jeichelberg
Something just came to me...I believe the Bible states the end times would be, "as in the days of Noah." In other words, things would be like they were when Noah was alive and preparing for the flood...So, can we expect that men will be living to nearly 1000 years old prior to the end? Would this be a sign?

edit on 20-10-2011 by jeichelberg because: misspelling in the title of the thread

Men did what was right in their own eyes instead of following the authority of God. This is what it refers to. All forms of unrighteousness take place today. The love of many wax cold. Brother against brother. These verses you refer to have nothing to do with a loophole you perceive in God's plan. This amounts to an accusation against God and pride, placing the self over the one who created reality. There is no higher truth than God produces from infinity. It is pointless to think our finite minds are a match for God.

You mistake my post for an accusation, when in fact it was a legitimate question concerning the meaning of the words...I am unsure if the, "days of Noah," portion could be specifically parsed to exclude certain portions of the circumstances...How is it only specific similarities to the, "days of Noah," would suffice as evidence and not the rest? "As in the days of Noah," would seem (at least to me) all of the characteristics and not just some cherry picked portions...I do not think God would set us up with loopholes...Loopholes is cherry picking...God knows our capabilities and inadequacies...

edit on 21-10-2011 by jeichelberg because: Clarity of response

edit on 21-10-2011 by jeichelberg because: Clarity of response

Rightly dividing truth involves seven rules. Hillel's Seven Rules In this case, the principle is what is being compared and not the particularization. The other related rule would also apply: The total context, not just the isolated statement must be considered for an accurate exegesis. In this case, the context is the judgment of God on those who embrace darkness. The Matthew 24:37 verse you are considering is the context of signs of the times. In particular, the snatching of one person and the leaving of another. Some people mistake this for the rapture. In reality, the days of Noah quote gives it away. The one taken is the one judged and removed from the earth. The flood then becomes the particularization that is used to determine the meaning of the context. You are grasping at straws if you are trying to relate this to the age of a person past the set point allowed by God. The seven rules cannot draw this conclusion.

reply to post by jeichelberg

no you will not live to 1000. mans life is limited to 120 years.

Originally posted by TylerDurden2U
reply to post by jeichelberg

 

no you will not live to 1000. mans life is limited to 120 years.

Eh - while I'm inclined to agree, it's possible the interpretation lies in how many years were to elapse from the time this statement was made and the time of the flood.

There are (disputable) cases in the modern era of people living (sometimes well-) beyond 120 years. Love subjectivity much?

Take care, friend.

Sometimes people can't see the forest for the trees.

"As in the days of Nioah..."

The first time most everyone was destroyed was by water. The prophecy which remains is that the earth will be destroyed by fire. Any mystic worth their salt will tell you that you can't move away from the literal translation of the word, but that there is always a higher spiritual meaning behind everything written.

Water and fire are both elements of baptism. We willingly wash the outside, then it's up to Jesus to wash the inside. Jesus washing us is a real tangible phenomena, and is the reason John the Baptist used the word "fire" in the first place. Living water and the fire of God are not concepts, they are truth. These elements are what transform the individual believer into literally having the mind of Christ.

Thousands of years ago, the earth was baptized with water, and sometime in the future it will be cleansed with fire. It will then be transformed. In Noah's day a few were spared, and before it's destroyed by fire, according to scripture angels will be dispatched to gather his elect. God likes ark's, and there is nothing new under the sun. What has been, shall be. He used an ark made of wood during the flood to save his people and the animals (after all we were put here to take care of the animals). The city of God itself (the New Jerusalem) is the coming ark to protect his people.

It's a cube, the walls are made of jasper and precious stones. It's gates will be shut, the destruction will take place and this place is going to start over completely transformed.

There will be litlle warning if any at all, as in the days of Noah, when Jesus is revealed.

Originally posted by jeichelberg
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

What or, more properly, is the "they," to whom this refers?

Well, we know what it is NOT.

The seed of men.

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a link or documentation? sure ive heard of old slaves living to 130, turns out she couldnt read or write. not too credible when you ou live your collaborators and suffer from dementia.

Originally posted by TylerDurden2U
reply to post by Praetorius

 

a link or documentation? sure ive heard of old slaves living to 130, turns out she couldnt read or write. not too credible when you ou live your collaborators and suffer from dementia.

First off to emphasize - like I said, disputed.

But we're got some interesting examples to work with - I honestly haven't put any research into this topic much myself, but if you want to dig further on these:
Li Ching-Yuen (197 or 256 years) -

However, in 1930, Professor Wu Chung-chieh of the University of Chengdu discovered Imperial Chinese government records from 1827, congratulating one Li Ching-Yuen on his 150th birthday, and further documents later congratulating him on his 200th birthday in 1877. In 1928, a New York Times correspondent wrote that many of the old men in Li's neighborhood asserted that their grandfathers knew him when they were boys, and that he at that time was a grown man.

Sahan Dosova (supposedly 130 years at death) -

Her remarkable age came to light during a census in Karaganda in northern Kazakhstan. Demographers were astonished to find that she was also on Stalin's first census of the region in 1926 when her age was given as 47.

"Ben Abba" is also in the process of writing a book about an alleged immortal over 2500 years old (his blog is here and had an entertaining interview on Mysterious Universe some time back) - I just downloaded the first part of the book for a buck and will be checking it out.

I take all of this with a very large grain of salt, but I'm also a firm believer in mind over matter via faith/"the secret"/placebo (and some possible quantum) type effects as well as the physical world not being quite everything we think or believe it to be, so who's to say it's not possible, eh?

Anyhow, if you do some digging, I'm sure can find a whole host of other supposed examples out there...interesting claims, whether they turn out fake or just miscalculated (or verified. Hah!).

Enjoy.

Originally posted by jeichelberg
Something just came to me...I believe the Bible states the end times would be, "as in the days of Noah." In other words, things would be like they were when Noah was alive and preparing for the flood...So, can we expect that men will be living to nearly 1000 years old prior to the end? Would this be a sign?

edit on 20-10-2011 by jeichelberg because: misspelling in the title of the thread

The statement and the verse has nothing to do with how long anyone will live.

During that time in "the days of Noah" was a very ugly time in history, everything immoral, things of unimaginable horror and ugliness was going on. It was a time of very demonic presences that had influenced mankind like never before. In Genesis chapter 6 is where it begins, take the time to read that chapter and see if you can understand what is being said about those days. Another good source is the book of Enoch, in it it explains what took place in those days with much clarity so the reader should understand.
Today we are in the throws of such a time, the rejection of God is one big problem for all. There is so much evil in the hearts of men because they turn there hearts towards evil in their pride instead of good. As anyone can see, there is no denying the problems of today.

In the context of Matthew ch24 vv37-39, "as in the days of Noah" means the event will be unexpected.
Jesus explains the phrase by pointing out that people were continuing to live normal lives until the Flood took them by surprise.
Then some died, and others survived.

Originally posted by DISRAELI
In the context of Matthew ch24 vv37-39, "as in the days of Noah" means the event will be unexpected.
Jesus explains the phrase by pointing out that people were continuing to live normal lives until the Flood took them by surprise.
Then some died, and others survived.

edit on 27-10-2011 by DISRAELI because: (no reason given)

Yes your right, it did take them by surprise and that's because they did not believe in God. They mocked Noah made fun of him and did not want to believe the warnings which are happening again today. So in a sense yes it is correct to say that. But at the same time it is what is in the hearts of men that will spell doom for many.