Sorry Mr McCain? What?

Hi All,

It has been a while since I made a post... But this one I'm about to present to you has left me bewildered and slightly concerned.

Actually...

Scratch that last bit. This has made me REALLY concerned.

It is now 10:08pm in Ireland and I planned to watch Sky News highlights following Gaddafi demise. So when the News Correspondent was speaking to John McCain outside Capitol Hill what he said sent chills. I still have the heckles thinking about this.

Even my other half (who never follows this sort of thing) went "Did he just say that?"

Basically it was the glorified beating off his chest about how great it's Gaddafi is dead and the usual rhetoric that comes from diarrohea spouting politicians.

Using my Sky+ remote, I can rewind and listen to the words he churned out. And I quote:

Sky News Correspondent: Usama Bin Laden was killed in May this year and six months later Col Gaddafi is dead. How important is it, especially for the Americans to send out that message to tyrannical leaders, "You can run but you can't hide"?

John McCain: Well, I think it's very important and I'm sure Basir Asad is sleeping a little less easily (smirk) tonight. But, uh this is all part of the Arab Spring which is no longer Arab. It's gonna spread all over the World and I think there will be signs of it, uh, even in China and Russia.

What? What? What?

Rewind... Signs of it in China and Russia???? Am I missing something here? Has John McCain suddenly developed a sixth sense? What does America know that the rest of us don't?

With all this talk recently of a possible world conflict, Iran, Syria and the rest, which I never took real notice of and to be brutally honest, just couldn't care less about. I believe I'm beginning to realise that there is a real dictatorship and it is coming from the West. Maybe not upon the people of America, Britain or anywhere else that have their hands within the UN, but a dictatorship imposed from the West unto those who will not bow to Western influence or pressure.

Just before I go, one other thing that has made me cringe. Maybe even a tinge of hatred towards those who believe what the West is doing is "the right thing". Heck, I'll even go as far as point the finger at the Governments. It is the media coverage of the Gaddafi' death. Granted we got a photo (more than what we got for Usama) and I'n no supporter but in the name of God where is the point of showing the video of Gaddafi' last moments? These so called rebels pulling, slapping, pulling and kicking him when he was already dying, it made me sick and some sadness.

Maybe a nuclear war will be the best answer to all of our problems.

reply to post by Xcellante


Yes I am watching BBC interview with John McCain from Ireland right now.

He opened with (regarding Ghadaffi's death)-
"It's a beautiful day for democracy"

WTF????
Democracy IMHO would involve a trial and imprisonment, not summary execution and gleeful delight in death.
Springtime for democracy indeed.

Hangs head in despair.......

McCain is not wrong for the simple fact democracy is nothing more than mob rule which does have alot of mob stupidity so sorry that was democracy in action.

You can certainly make an informed judgement on a person's (or politician's!) character when they start showing up on international television celebrating a death. Great display of statesmanship by John McCain. A paragon of excellence for all humanity.

reply to post by Xcellante


it is time to take notice. A reality check:
There is another thread entitled: Gaddafi is gone, What "political" figure is next? I posted there and speculated: If I could remove that post I would. You see, I saw the pics you are talking about. I saw the video. Even though this man was less than exemplary he was deserving of at least a trial. Even Saddam got a trial, well if you call it that. We are sending drones all over killing at will and with impunity anyone that we feel free to label a terrorist....and who attaches the label? the same people who are sending the bombs.
Indeed...who will be next? I digressed in that thread and called myself a real hypocrite for choosing the next target America will choose. Who do we think we are.
And McCain? Russia? China? really?
we had better get our own house in order. We accuse others of murder and terrorism and then we kill with impunity anyone we disagree with. We are "Hypocrite" McCain was the wrong person to interview. he does not represent me nor my views, but even so he is an elected official and people here in this US of A somewhere elected him. don't look at the video of this slain leader. Don't look at the pics. do not hunger for blood lest the blood you eat become your own.
DH

reply to post by HumansEh


It is no longer a delight. We are entering a very dark age of human society. Marx, Durkheim and Weber would all turn in their graves.

This whole world is beginning to remind me of hell. If you do this... You get punished and if you don't do this... You get punished.

It has been a very tragic year for humanity.

It's all part of the inevitable march of globalization and the natural order. American ideals are appealing to other cultures. Our government is probably behind much of the unrest abroad- but we're only catalyzing dissent that has built up over time. It is imperative that the rest of the world's people demand an increase in their standard of living so that we can continue ours. Otherwise, we are locked in an ultimately toxic race to the bottom to find cheap labor and pollutable lands.

reply to post by xavi1000

This guy as a US President would have been funny

2nd: and his VP would have been even funnier...

reply to post by DavidsHope


If I could shake your hand I would. And maybe throw in a pint. Best words I've seen spoken in quite some time on this site.

McCain and the rest of the Western Clique are blood thirsty warlords. Even now on Sky the celebrations I am watching around Manchester and London are sickening. Do people have no morals or a sense of common decency towards their fellow man anymore?

I wonder how long it would be before the tables get turned on the West? They have had a good run so far.

reply to post by Xcellante


No Morals, No Mercy, No heart.
This is the New World Order in progress

thanks for the kind words, I expected to take some hard hits for my stance for justice versus ousting leaders simply because a nation disagrees.
DH

It becomes more obvious everyday.

To those who haven't seen what NATO and the mainly western influence has been doing for the last 50 years; where have you been? Ignoring history, comically deluded.

These people are dictators in collusion England and the US imposing a maniacal agenda of world totalitarian naziesque government. Anyone that refuses to use their money kill em. Anyone not on board kill em. Drone strikes all around. US citizens on terror lists fascism rampid.

Face facts real wage has been decreasing since 1972. We are near the end of a downward slope. We must create something sustainable now not continue to jot around the world killing with these mad men. We have to get back to localized government ending the fed.

Originally posted by DavidsHope
reply to post by Xcellante

 

I saw the video. Even though this man was less than exemplary he was deserving of at least a trial.

Was he really? I said something similar to my mum and she told me she don't think he deserved a trial because it is a KNOWN FACT that he has murdered many people. She's a good christian woman mind you. Bin laden, yes, a trial. There was never any proof he was the mastermind behind 911.

However this guy was responsible for the bombing on pan Am flight 103 over Lockerbie, so he WAS Admittedly by himself a murderer. We do know he oppressed his subjects and had many killed.

So why does he really "need" a trial if we already know he's guilty and deserving of death?

reply to post by DavidsHope


Good point about the NWO. I'm currently reading a book about Secret Societies and one chapter got my attention. It is from our old friends (or enemies, depending on what way you are enlightened) The Illuminati.

Pretty interesting to say the least. Especially about how Revolution evolves into Terrorism. I will quote a few passages now just to point out that anyone in doubt over the NWO existence or power, take this on board. And think of how things in the Middle East are being controlled and manipulated by someone, somewhere.

1. The revolutionary is a doomed man. He has no personal interests, no business affairs. no emotions, no attachments, no property and no name. Everything in him is wholly absorbed in the single thought and the single passion for revolution.

2. The revolutionary knows that in the very depths of his being, not only in words but also in deeds, he has broken all the bonds which tie him to the social order and the civilized world with all its laws, moralities and customs and with all its generally accepted conventions. He is their implacable enemy and if he continues to live with them, it is only in order to destroy them more speedily...

18. There are a great many brutes in high positions distinguished neither by their cleverness nor their energy, while enjoying riches, influence, power, and high positions by the virtue of their rank. These must be exploited in every possible way; they must be implicated and embroiled in our affairs, their dirty secrets must be ferreted out, and they must be transformed into slaves. Their power, influence, and connections, their wealth and their energy will form an inexhaustible treasure and a precious help in all our undertakings.

19. There are ambitious officeholders and liberals of various shades of opinion. The revolutionary must pretend to collaborate with them, blindly following them, while at the same time prying out their secrets until they are completely in his power. They must be so compromised that there is no way out for them, and then they can be used to create disorder in the state.

These edicts scare the hell out of me. What sick person wrote this? Kinda reminds you of what modern-day terrorists believe. And I'm not talking about Al Qaeda.

Originally posted by xavi1000

So which rule i breaked ... this thread is about Mccain and i just say " How the hell American people elected this men 2 times in Congress and 4 times in Senat "

You know... what gets me is not the whole Gadaffi thing, it's not even his belief that this sort of thing will spread...

It's the way he specifically mentioned other countries.

Sure - I am in favor of speaking true and telling other countries the way it is (I'm not one for pretending to like people we don't) ... but there's a difference between that and what may as well have been a declaration of war - considering our involvement with the course of events in Libya.

What he may as well have said: "Well, seeing as I'm in front of a camera - let me take this time to assure the rest of the world that any rebellions against their governments can expect backing from the U.S. military to include Special Operations forces to help train insurgents to be more effective."

Really smooth....

I think Obama needs to redistribute his teleprompter....

reply to post by JohnPhoenix


Granted. But do you speak Arabic?

I don't. And I'm pretty sure a hefty percentage that come to ATS don't either. Whether you believe Gaddafi was the "main man" behind Lockerbie or not. What was being translated with his confession could have been anything. A cook book receipe for all we know, conveniently misinterpreted by the media.

We all need a bogeyman. Or am I grasping at straws here?

reply to post by Aim64C


True. I was actually waiting for him to say "The hell with your traditions and laws. Who cares if you are self contained society that does not need the West. You will do as your told or as God is my witness. I will come down on you so hard you'll think the Anti-Christ has arrived."

Gaddafi probably flipped them the bird during a televised conference or something to get this sort of reaction. Either way. Nazism sure as hell didn't disappear after WWII.

Originally posted by xavi1000

Originally posted by xavi1000

So which rule i breaked ... this thread is about Mccain and i just say " How the hell American people elected this men 2 times in Congress and 4 times in Senat "

You broke the "I can't spell" rule

Originally posted by Xcellante
reply to post by DavidsHope

 

If I could shake your hand I would. And maybe throw in a pint. Best words I've seen spoken in quite some time on this site.

McCain and the rest of the Western Clique are blood thirsty warlords. Even now on Sky the celebrations I am watching around Manchester and London are sickening. Do people have no morals or a sense of common decency towards their fellow man anymore?

I wonder how long it would be before the tables get turned on the West? They have had a good run so far.

Good point. Who's next? I'm no fan of our own political leadership but I can assure you that Americans would be howling for blood if it were an American political figure.