Inside the Ark of the covenant

reply to post by Chamberf=6


It always fascinates me how many agnostics and atheists I run into that know the bible and a good balance of other comparative alternate religious mythologies, with their writings too, often better than the followers of said faiths.

It always fascinates me how many agnostics and atheists are actually much better, more trustworthy, people, and in a way, better 'christians' than christians themselves.

Fun stuff.

Athiest btw.

reply to post by LUXUS


your post has no evidence what so ever. that guy on your video can brain wash you. but that's why the apostle Paul in the book of acts tells you to search the SCRIPTURES yourself. that you do not be DECEIVED.

here is a more researched and more biblicaly correct view on the ark. from a real theologian.

reply to post by Chamberf=6


You probably should have checked first, just an idea perhaps

During the New Kingdom, the cult of the sun god Ra became increasingly important until it evolved into the uncompromising monotheism of Pharaoh Akhenaten (Amenhotep IV, 1364-1347 B.C.). According to the cult, Ra created himself from a primeval mound in the shape of a pyramid and then created all other gods. Thus, Ra was not only the sun god, he was also the universe, having created himself from himself. Ra was invoked as Aten or the Great Disc that illuminated the world of the living and the dead. The effect of these doctrines can be seen in the sun worship of Pharaoh Akhenaten, who became an uncompromising monotheist. Aldred has speculated that monotheism was Akhenaten's own idea, the result of regarding Aten as a self-created heavenly king whose son, the pharaoh, was also unique. Akhenaten made Aten the supreme state god, symbolized as a rayed disk with each sunbeam ending in a ministering hand.

atheism.about.com...

Originally posted by nineix
reply to post by Chamberf=6

 

It always fascinates me how many agnostics and atheists I run into that know the bible and a good balance of other comparative alternate religious mythologies, with their writings too, often better than the followers of said faiths.

It always fascinates me how many agnostics and atheists are actually much better, more trustworthy, people, and in a way, better 'christians' than christians themselves.

Fun stuff.

Athiest btw.

this is very true and most of this is because most gnostic and atheist have heard all the storys of the bible and some search these topics to counter attack people of faith with their own believes.(which is a good way to make an argument) sad fact but it is true. most "Christians" i come across just wanna put their faith in CHRIST and let every one else save them selfs. i was writing an e mail to a self proclaimed prophet(suposedly in the illuminati and member of the thule society),a friend of supreim rockerfeller

reply to post by LUXUS


For one that is ONE pharaoh. After he died Egypt went back to its poly ways and destroyed much of what he built.

Originally posted by SOILDERSUNITEDFORCHRIST reply to post by LUXUS THE Hebrews are unique in that they where the first monotheistic people of the ancient world.

Originally posted by LUXUS
Really, so what was Akhenaten then, what is the Aten?

Two, Judaism existed before Akhenaten.

Originally posted by Chamberf=6
reply to post by LUXUS

 

For one that is ONE pharaoh. After he died Egypt went back to its poly ways and destroyed much of what he built.

Originally posted by SOILDERSUNITEDFORCHRIST reply to post by LUXUS THE Hebrews are unique in that they where the first monotheistic people of the ancient world.

Originally posted by LUXUS
Really, so what was Akhenaten then, what is the Aten?

Two, Judaism existed before Akhenaten.

edit on 10/20/2011 by Chamberf=6 because: (no reason given)

On the evidence, Zoroastrianism was the first monotheistic religion in the world. The second was the brief Egyptian monotheistic religion that only lasted during the reign of Akhenaten. The third was in the Hebrew kingdom of Judah, during the reign of Hezekiah, but successfully re-instituted during the reign of Josiah. Read more: wiki.answers.com...

"For the LORD your God (The Ark) dried up the waters of Jordan from before you, until ye were passed over, as the LORD your God (The Ark) did to the Red sea, which he dried up from before us, until we were gone over:

Joshua 4:23

reply to post by LUXUS


Now you're saying the Judaic god is the ark?

Then who told Moses to build the ark?

I read an old novel that compiled pre flood myths and it said something interesting about an electrified glowing gem stone. I'm guessing it could be from Jewish or Arabic sources. This is how the passages went:

"My sons, (Noah's) within the sealed chamber there is a shrine whose crystal doors close upon a mystery which has been preserved in our family for many generations. Being divinely instructed, Adam found in the depths of the earth a spar of heteroclite gems, which by some peculiar inhesion could gather and concentrate electric rays."

"We then unbound our sandals, washed our feet, veiled our faces, and awe-stricken passed into the sacred presence. The chamber was hung with cloth of gold, the air was heavy with the odor of fragrant gums; no sunlight could penetrate, but from the sapphire shrine streamed forth a pale unearthly glow."

Where ever this legend came from it sounds like the originator witnessed the effects of uranium and made a story out of it.

Originally posted by Chamberf=6
reply to post by LUXUS

 

Now you're saying the Judaic god is the ark?

Then who told Moses to build the ark?

Dur he crossed the red sea with the orical stone and built the box later, as you can understand when he stole that object he did not have time to sit down and make the box.

The box is just a box, what is inside of it is important, the sapphire crystal.

reply to post by LUXUS

"For the LORD your God (The Ark) dried up the waters of Jordan from before you, until ye were passed over, as the LORD your God (The Ark) did to the Red sea, which he dried up from before us, until we were gone over:

.........sure........
..............of course.........
.......as you say, "DUR"..........
>facepalm<
..........crystals...........
.............in the ark.....
........ = god.............
sure .............
............

lmao

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LIVING IN A WORLD OF FANTASY

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ABRAHAM WAS THE FIRST "MONOTHEISTIC"MAN (BECAUSE OF THE COVENANT),THUS TEACHING THIS TO ISSAC AND JACOB, THAN ISRAEL WAS BORN

it really goes back 2 Adam

The Ark of the Covenant, prefigured in the Old Covenant, a type of something much greater in the New Covenant. God has it all planned out. This is why Jesus referred to His mother so often as "woman." He would know.
Mary is referred to as "woman" in the beginning, in the Book of Genesis (3:15) and at the end, in John's Revelation.

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St. Luke clearly wanted us to see Mary as the New Ark in that, inspired by God, he parallels many of his verses with those used to describe the Ark of the Covenant in the Old Testament. Compare, for example, Luke's words with 2 Samuel 6 below:


2 Samuel 6:2 And David arose, and went with all the people that were with him from Baale of Judah, to bring up from thence the ark of God, whose name is called by the name of the LORD of hosts that dwelleth between the cherubims.

Luke 1:39 And Mary arose in those days, and went into the hill country with haste, into a city of Juda

2 Samuel 6:9 And David was afraid of the LORD that day, and said, How shall the ark of the LORD come to me?

Luke 1:43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

2 Samuel 6:11 And the ark of the LORD continued in the house of Obededom the Gittite three months...

Luke 1:56 And Mary abode with her about three months...

2 Samuel 6:16 And as the ark of the LORD came into the city of David, Michal Saul's daughter looked through a window, and saw king David leaping and dancing before the LORD [His Presence over the Ark]

Luke 1:41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:


In the Old Testament, the Ark of the Covenant, overshadowed by the the Spirit of God, was the instrument through which God came to dwell among men; in the New Testament, Mary, overshadowed by the Holy Spirit, is the instrument through which God came to dwell among men. She is the Ark of the New Covenant.

And here's a biggie: look carefully at Revelation 11:19-12:1.

St. John tells us what he sees in Heaven: "And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars [this woman, we are told later in chapter 12, is the one who brought forth the man child who would rule over the nations, ie, Christ.

Keep in mind, too, that chapter and verse divisions did not exist until the Middle Ages: what John says he saw is the Ark of the Covenant -- a woman. Really --

think about this: there is the Ark of the Covenant, lost for generations, in the Heavenly Temple! Then come the "special effects" -- lightning! Thunder! The very earth shakes! And there is the woman who brought forth the man child who who would rule over the nations... Mary, the pure and holy Ark of the New Covenant. [Note that the Woman of Revelation 12 is also a symbol of the Church, which has Mary for Her Mother; there is dual meaning here!]

wow.

this kind of unwillingness to read source material closely leads to a flowering of ingnorance.

Yep.

You won't spell-check yourself, or bother to learn logic, grammar, or basic debating skills...but I'm supposed to believe YOU'VE got it dead-on?

Pfft.

How do I keep getting into these threads started the devoted followers of YouTube gurus?

Originally posted by SOILDERSUNITEDFORCHRIST
reply to post by LUXUS

 

ABRAHAM WAS THE FIRST "MONOTHEISTIC"MAN (BECAUSE OF THE COVENANT),THUS TEACHING THIS TO ISSAC AND JACOB, THAN ISRAEL WAS BORN

it really goes back 2 Adam

edit on 20-10-2011 by SOILDERSUNITEDFORCHRIST because: (no reason given)

So you want to ignore the fact that Zoroastrianism was the first monotheistic religion, yeah I guess it don’t fit in with what you want to believe

Originally posted by Chamberf=6
reply to post by LUXUS

 

"For the LORD your God (The Ark) dried up the waters of Jordan from before you, until ye were passed over, as the LORD your God (The Ark) did to the Red sea, which he dried up from before us, until we were gone over:

.........sure........
..............of course.........
.......as you say, "DUR"..........
>facepalm<
..........crystals...........
.............in the ark.....
........ = god.............
sure .............
............

lmao

You do know what “Ark” means don’t you container/box/protective enclosure. The Ark of the Lord literally the box in which the Lord is housed and yes the Israelites did worship the Ark as a god!
If you accept that the ark was used to dry up the Jordan then you must accept that it was used also to dry up the red sea (talking about what is inside of the ark now dont forget)

And I haven’t even started to talk about the fact that Moses staff was made from the same sapphire like crystal, yes it wasn’t a stick like in the movies, far from it!

‘Go and exact a penalty of him.’ He said to him: ‘How shall I bring upon him the ten plagues? ' The reply was: ’And thou shalt take in thy hand this rod’ (IV, 17). R. Judah said: The rod weighed forty se'ah[5] and was of sapphire and the ten plagues were engraved thereon in an abbreviated form -De Za K, aDaSH, Be'aHa B. God said: 'In this order shalt thou bring upon him the plagues.’ And Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet (VII, 1). ‘Just as the preacher sits and preaches whilst the interpreter sits before him, so shalt thou speak all that I shall command thee, [to Aaron] and Aaron thy brother will speak unto Pharaoh.’ By means of both of them were all these things performed, as it is said: And Moshe and Aaron did all these wonders before Pharaoh (XI, 10).

www.betemunah.org...

Or maybe we should talk about King Solomon’s sapphire ring “the Shamir” which could cut stone by being pointed at it.

It is told that the Shamir was always wrapped in wool and stored in a container made of lead, since any other vessel would burst and disintegrate under its gaze.

www.kingsolomonlegend.com...

The stone in the Ark, Moses staff and king Solomon’s ring were all made of this sapphire like crystal, oh but I guess you already knew that

reply to post by LUXUS


lol Oh of course magic crystals that also apparently talk are the explanation for all the odd accounts from the old testament. Sure of course.
The bible has enough problems with it -- you don't have to go out of your way and add magic talking crystals to the mess.
Oh but some guy in a youtube video says it "might" be the case, "maybe", "he thinks". So I guess it must be true, right?

reply to post by Chamberf=6


Oh yeah magic talking crystals is absolutely ludicrous lol …..but a talking box aka the Ark of the covenant is totally understandable, even Scientific dare I say


Nice one

reply to post by LUXUS


The ark is never said to talk in the bible. I never said it either.
YOU suggested it did in an earlier quote though...

Originally posted by LUXUS
"For the LORD your God (The Ark) dried up the waters of Jordan from before you, until ye were passed over, as the LORD your God (The Ark) did to the Red sea, which he dried up from before us, until we were gone over:

Joshua 4:23

YOU ADDED "(The Ark)" after the word "God" to make it look like IT (the ark) was speaking. That is NOT in the bible. Nice try.