No need to quit smoking during the apocalypse

In the book One Second After (highly recommended available in audio book form also) the subject was EMP.

America was destroyed by a single nuke detonated high in the atmosphere simply because it fried all the electronics in the country, plunging the inhabitants back to the 17th century in terms of technology and life style.

And this book has some good accreditation which you can look into. it is not pure fantasy.

So the main character he is a smoker, and right away, before he even tries to secure some insulin for his favorite daughter who is a type one diabetic, he goes to see Abu at the corner quickie mart and buys a few cartons.

Himself being a retired colonel he knows the benefits of sharing out the occasional smoke. And the need for them when you are a smoker and in a stressful situation.

Cigarettes are like money in prison and they may become like money during or after an apocalypse.

So they will quickly be looted.

So if you are a smoker, you might stock up now on cans of tobacco, and hope you still have some supply when TSHTF.

Thats an expensive proposition in some places like Canada were it is 75 bucks a can. And a can might last you 2 weeks.

So for 6 months supply you have to shell out hundreds of dollars.

BUT! You can solve all that drama simply by purchasing an electronic cigarette and getting some e-liquid.

Those are about 150 dollars for the full kit that will recharge in a vehicle or in a USB port or in a solar charger if you have one of these

The e-liquid comes in varying strengths and flavors. Strong medium and mild. If you buy a stash of strong, you can dilute it with Glycerin (USP) as many as 10 times.

You can make 10 times the volume out of one small bottle of the e-liquid. And the price is the same for strong medium and mild.

So if you have a small stash, of strong e-liquid then when the rest runs out you will still have plenty.

So to make your e-cigarette work, it requires 18 drops of liquid into one cartridge and the cartridges are re-usable. You refill them yourself.

And the net is full of places where you can order the electronic cigarette, the e-liquids and everything else you might need. No need to panic when TSHTF if you have a small e-cigarette kit in your B.O.B.

If you are a smoker, this is good advice. I have one and use it at work while driving and if I had to, could sure substitute it for cigarettes without any discomfort.

The only reason I do not switch completely is because tobacco smoke, has a mouth drying effect, that melds with coffee. The e-cigarette is not mouth drying, so you will drink less fluids daily.

Cigarettes and coffee are like beer and cigarettes made for each other.

But in a pinch, you can still smoke and it is actually not harmful for you to use an e-cigarette as long as you don't take in too much nicotine to toxic levels.

Unlike cigarette smoke which causes cancer.

I tried one of those "E" cigarettes.

I couldn't get it lit...

reply to post by Rocketman7


Smokers are weak and often they are considered easily breakable.

Plus they smell bad and quite frankly you can never trust a person that needs a drug to operate.

I would vote for smokers to be rounded up and be the first in line in the depopulation agenda. Plus they are a drain
on the Medical system right along side fat people!

I rank smokers along side pedophiles, rapists and religious zealots and obese people!

reply to post by Rocketman7


Thanks, Rocketman.

I have been wanting to hear from someone that has given the e-smoke a try.

I thought I would post this ASAP...

Like acetylcholine, nicotine leads to a burst of receptor activity. However, unlike acetylcholine, nicotine is not regulated by your body. While neurons typically release small amounts of acetylcholine in a regulated manner, nicotine activates cholinergic neurons (which mainly use acetylcholine to communicate to other neurons) in many different regions throughout your brain simultaneously. This stimulation leads to:

Increased release of acetylcholine from the neurons, leading to heightened activity in cholinergic pathways throughout your brain. This cholinergic activity calls your body and brain to action, and this is the wake-up call that many smokers use to re-energize themselves throughout the day. Through these pathways, nicotine improves your reaction time and your ability to pay attention, making you feel like you can work better.

Stimulation of cholinergic neurons promotes the release of the neurotransmitter dopamine in the reward pathways of your brain. This neural circuitry is supposed to reinforce behaviors that are essential to your survival, like eating when you're hungry. Stimulating neurons in these areas of the brain brings on pleasant, happy feelings that encourage you to do these things again and again. When drugs like coc aine or nicotine activate the reward pathways, it reinforces your desire to use them again because you feel so at peace and happy afterwards.

Release of glutamate, a neurotransmitter involved in learning and memory - Glutamate enhances the connections between sets of neurons. These stronger connections may be the physical basis of what we know as memory. When you use nicotine, glutamate may create a memory loop of the good feelings you get and further drive the desire to use nicotine.

Nicotine also increases the level of other neurotransmitters and chemicals that modulate how your brain works. For example, your brain makes more endorphins in response to nicotine. Endorphins are small proteins that are often called the body's natural pain killer. It turns out that the chemical structure of endorphins is very similar to that of heavy-duty synthetic painkillers like morphine. Endorphins can lead to feelings of euphoria also. If you're familiar with the runner's high that kicks in during a rigorous race, you've experienced the "endorphin rush." This outpouring of chemicals gives you a mental edge to finish the race while temporarily masking the nagging pains you might otherwise feel.


science.howstuffworks.com...

What could possibly not be good about this if you need a boost in high stress environments?

Thanks for the OP.

reply to post by Six6Six

and quite frankly you can never trust a person that needs a drug to operate.

Wow that is some mechanism in your knee that makes it jerk like that.

What kind of an environment do you work in?

You just implicated the entire U.S. armed forces.

reply to post by Six6Six


Looks like you got it all figured out there buddy.

Keep on keeping on.

reply to post by Six6Six


lol you underestimate smokers! .if you gota a smoker and cigs are running low that dose not make them less effective. If anything thay are even more efective becuas thay will be far more motivated to get out in to town to re up on smokes.

and the whole lumping smokers and the obeese with the likes of pedophiles?? really?
i tried to keep an open mind with you until i read that little gem! haha
Are you shur you are in the right place?
you prolly just alienated more then half the ATS comunity

Originally posted by Frater210
What could possibly not be good about this if you need a boost in high stress environments?

Thanks for the OP.

Semper fi


I am surprised though that no one called me on the EMP.

Electronic cigarettes are an electronic device. But they are hardened, if you carry them in the leatherette charging cigarette case accessory.

reply to post by Six6Six


Well I guess your just Mr.Perfect then, arnt ya?

Really? wow, just wow!
If this is truly how you feel about someone who has an addiction than maybe you should be the first in line for the gas chambers. Theres alot I would like to say to you but all would be in violation of ATS's T & C.

Geeez...... Love is unconditional brotha, and you need alot of it.
I believe it was a speech made in the movie " The Great Dictator" that it is said.

"Only the unloved hate"

reply to post by Rocketman7

But they are hardened, if you carry them in the leatherette charging cigarette case accessory.

All The Way!

Beautiful. How cool is that, that my stash of smokes can be hardened. I am totally down for that. If something did come up the first thing in my pockets that I am going to check for damage are the smokes. It would be nice to know they are smash proof.

Take it easy.

Your money would be much better spent buying a Glock and some ammo. Securing lightweight freeze dried foods and obtaining other survival gear. When a man is starving and a cigarette is placed in front of him along with a plate of food and he can choose only one. Which would he choose? If you choose the smoke you deserve what you get-you indeed will die.
I used to smoke years ago. A lot of years ago. Quitting was the hardest thing I ever did, But I did do it.....
My son is a smoker:.......
when he comes for a visit he isn't allowed to smoke in the house. But my house wreaks of stale smoke for hours just from him. If he were not my son he would not be allowed in at all.
He is 37 I am in my 60s. I look at him and tell him to quit because the time is coming when he will not have a choice and if it needs done ---- do it. He cannot.
I ride a bike: I actually am an accomplished cyclist riding 100 mile rides every season. My son would not even be able to ride a single mile. I am twice my sons age and I could be 100 miles away from home with a backpack in 6 hours.....No gas needed. I even have a small trailer to fasten onto my hybrid that would carry additional equipment. I hope I never need it....I suspect I shall......I do not smoke...I would not survive if I did.
A smoker dependent on that drug would never be able to bug out any distance at all. If you smoke, and you truly believe time is short. then you had better get it done one way or another. If you smoke and this world melts down, you will most certainly not survive. Quit Now! If you do not....you will indeed not survive.

Originally posted by Talltexxxan
reply to post by Six6Six

 

Well I guess your just Mr.Perfect then, arnt ya?

Really? wow, just wow!
If this is truly how you feel about someone who has an addiction than maybe you should be the first in line for the gas chambers. Theres alot I would like to say to you but all would be in violation of ATS's T & C.

Geeez...... Love is unconditional brotha, and you need alot of it.
I believe it was a speech made in the movie " The Great Dictator" that it is said.

"Only the unloved hate"

edit on 20-10-2011 by Talltexxxan because: (no reason given)

I am sorry for the blunt and excessive analogy however I do have good reason. I just hate smokers. They pollute our everyday spaces with their blatant disregard for anyone but themselves.

And please do not talk about addiction. Addiction is such a cop out. Just DONT do it. Simple.

I am not addicted to anything that can effect my health in a negative way. But those who do get addicted use it as an excuse. Weak and overused.

Smoking up to 1000 different poisons is just DUMB. So they should be treated accordingly.

e-cigs do not use glycerine. They use propylene glycol mixed with liquid nicotine.
The element in the e gic doesnt get hot enough to vaporize glycerine.
PG will work to make your own if you use food grade PG, not the PG used in Humidors.

If yer e cig gets fried, just use a flame to heat a piece of titanium ( other metals give off toxic fumes at low heat levels, Ti doesnt) to about 250 deg F and drop a drop of your e-cig juice and inhale the vapor.

No electricity needed.

Also if you smoke using an e-cigarette you will not have bad breath at all. In fact it can smell like blueberry, apple, cappuccino, whatever you want. It is like a breath freshener.

And there is no second hand smoke. So if you smoke it in a vehicle you will smell nothing at all right beside the person.

They are legal to use anywhere as well because they do not contain tobacco of any kind and the laws regarding second hand smoke are for tobacco related products.

e liquid has nicotine and flavoring and a Glycerin as the bulk of the liquid.

People use aroma therapy with oils that are probably as harmful or moreso than nicotine.

The same principal. An atomizer or vaporizer that uses a Glycerin base with essential oil of some kind.

Aroma therapy kits for fat people etc

Bah, the haters always come out as soon as someone discusses cigarettes. I've smoked since I was in school and, despite being bombarded left, right and centre from shouty-mouthed do-gooders I actually enjoy smoking. So much so that I probably won't quit... ever! (cue shock, horror and distain from the anti-smoking brigade).

I've tried the e-cigs and I can honestly say they are, so far, the best alternative for smoking on the market. A friend of mine, fellow geek and smoker, got one simply because he admired how they worked. He was using it for about two weeks and went from a pack of cigarettes a day to one a day. He never actually intended on quitting either but he says he simply preferred it and he could beat the smoking ban by smoking it indoors too

reply to post by Rocketman7


Oh for Gods sakes I was reading along and taking this seriously until I realized this is really an ad.

If it isn't it sounds an awful lot LIKE one and I guess I apologize but this sounds to me like an ad for whatever is posted at the link. Naturally other posters have already probably said this and so I am being redundant. Sorry for NOT reading all the posts. Sometimes I like to be spontaneous. It is a grave fault that will more than likely get me killed one day. Meanwhile... I enjoy the suspense.

I will tell you what this HAS done: I am an ex smoker myself and had planned to take it up again if we entered some Doomsday Scenario - and when I was certain there wasn't much longer we might live anyway.

You have just stopped me from doing that.
Sounds like a stupid idea now that I re-hash it in my head anyway.
I think I will just stay QUIT and keep my "one up on" the smokers.

I do not relish in fact I will not... be a slave (to cigarettes of all things!)
If I know I am vulnerable to attack and here it will be my own inclination to smoke - I can head it off and prevent the very possibility. Thank you very much in either event - I mean if this is a blatant advertisement for the smokeless cigarette or not. I see many EMBEDDED advertisements such as this popping up everywhere lately. Last night on 30 Rock was an "embedded" commercial for the Mc Flurry. They made the Mc Flurry a part of the show. I about fell off my chair.

And some of the most respected movie stars hawking reverse mortgages.
What a criminal enterprise THEY ARE.

I guess everybody needs money.

Originally posted by jplaysguitar
reply to post by Six6Six

 

lol you underestimate smokers! .if you gota a smoker and cigs are running low that dose not make them less effective. If anything thay are even more efective becuas thay will be far more motivated to get out in to town to re up on smokes.

and the whole lumping smokers and the obeese with the likes of pedophiles?? really?
i tried to keep an open mind with you until i read that little gem! haha
Are you shur you are in the right place?
you prolly just alienated more then half the ATS comunity

edit on 20-10-2011 by jplaysguitar because: 777

That is BS. A smoker is a drug addict at the end of the day. They will sell their own children to get a cigarette.

Smokers have long been a useless part of society. People who slowly kill themselves and pay a fortune for it....How dumb does one have to be. I my opinion and its just mine, smokers should not be entitled to free medical or any government or state benefits. They should be outcast and have no rights. After all they smoke willy nilly abusing non smokers rights all day, blowing their poison into the air.

Smokers are just weak, take away their cigs and they become a pest!


As for alienating half of this community. I dont care. I would rather hold the company of a serial killer than that of a room full of smokers.

Originally posted by BadNinja68
e-cigs do not use glycerine. They use propylene glycol mixed with liquid nicotine.
The element in the e gic doesnt get hot enough to vaporize glycerine.
PG will work to make your own if you use food grade PG, not the PG used in Humidors.

If yer e cig gets fried, just use a flame to heat a piece of titanium ( other metals give off toxic fumes at low heat levels, Ti doesnt) to about 250 deg F and drop a drop of your e-cig juice and inhale the vapor.

No electricity needed.

Yes they can use glycerin, I have one, have a bottle of glycerin, and I use it. Pharmacist sold me the glycerin as well for that purpose.

e.g. glycerin link.

reply to post by Six6Six

I would vote for smokers to be rounded up and be the first in line in the depopulation agenda.

This is just a little ambiguous so I wanted to be clear. Do you mean that you would vote for smokers to be rounded up and then you would be the first in line? Or that smokers should be rounded up and they should be the first in line for depopulation? Or did you somehow hope to cryptically infer that you would somehow how be waiting at the front of the line?

Thanks in advance.

reply to post by Six6Six

Smokers have long been a useless part of society

You won't be able to sustain this. Sure you wanna keep it up?

I would rather hold the company of a serial killer than that of a room full of smokers.

I am sure you have a really good reason for that.