The problem I have with all the pictures of what aliens look like

reply to post by SuperSmartGuy


I don't think you read my post in context. The op suggests that the humanoid form is least likely based on the idea that all possibilities are equally likely. That is most certainly not the case. Ever heard of the habitable zone? Life is far more likely to be found within a small range of planets, not the wide range suggested by the op. So it is a wrong presumption, assumption, whatever you call it, it is a wrong link in the chain of reasoning.

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reply to post by rickyrrr


The problem i am having is that A LOT of aliens have extremely fragile, tiny bodies but a HUGE head on a very thin and very fragile neck.

Physically (on Earth with Earth's gravity) it would not be possible for them to lift or keep their head up...or it would snap at the slightest movement. Not all alien depictions are like this, but MANY are.

It would be helpful to realize that human beings come in all shapes and sizes. Those who evolved on other spheres are going to look different than those who evolved here. To think that our planet is the pattern for human life is a good example of parochial thinking. In terms of the rest of this universe, we have barely fallen off the turnip truck.

These 'aliens' are human beings. Do you really think that if they don't look like us they have to be something other than human ? I think too many people are being influenced by bad Hollywood movies and second rate science fiction.

We live in a universe of great diversity, unified and co-ordinated by a divine plan. So, please, stop referring to people from other planets and spheres as if they are not human. They are. Get used to it. Someday you will be working with them.

Originally posted by Darkblade71
Well, what I want to know is: who are the large praying mantis like aliens?!

once long ago I was in meditation and had "asked" if aliens were real, and had a vision of these creatures, anyone ever heard of something that looks like a mantis?

Just curious.

I don’t know where this person got their information, but there are a few different kinds of Alien Species listed here, including the Mantis type.

Alien Species

The next link I included is a Index of Mantis type reports.

I hope this helps.

Enjoy!

UFO*BC's Praying Mantis Index Page

reply to post by mikemck1976


Thank you very much! I will dig into this a little bit. I find it very interesting although alien beings are not my cup of tea. What I found right away though was :

ATAIEN/PRAYING MANTIS:

Long narrow faces, slanted large eyes, long insect like body with strong resemblance to the praying mantis. Experiencers have reported this being is no insect but an intelligent, gentle-spirited but somewhat hyper and jerky moving, human like lifeform(both male and females). Most are around 6ft. tall and their coloring ranges from light gray to gold. They used to survive on plant juices but have evolved to the point where they can live directly off the energy of light. They have wings but do not need them for travel, they sometimes fly for meditation.

Kind of freaky....as I was meditating when I saw one. Right on! I will keep digging!

I'm currently reading an eyewitness/abductee report about Mantis Type aliens, and just had to share this link because of the pictures it has of what the guy was seeing.

His pictures are not quite what I saw, he describes dark skin, almost black, what I saw was a dark copper colored being. I was not being abducted either, it was just a vision when I was focusing on if aliens are real or not.
Interesting none the less.

Anyways, here's a link if people have not seen it:
www.ufobc.ca...

He has several Abduction reports.

reply to post by Darkblade71


I might regret telling you this here on this thread later, but when I U2Ued you earlier and told you that I had my own experience in N.C. in 1986 with this type (and others at various times in my childhood); I can’t help but feel the need to report my story. (I mean it’s really eating at me as of late for some reason) They could mean a lot to someone such as yourself or others.
The problem is that as of late here on ATS, people who open up and report their experiences end up being labeled nut jobs/liars/trolls/hoaxers or worse. It shouldn’t be that way here on ATS. So I’d rather keep them to myself for now. I wish I could tell others what happened, I want to tell others what happened, but I’m the type of person who cares a lot about what and how others think and feel about me. Maybe I have already said too much.
So all I’ll say to you is you’re not wrong.

reply to post by fishman1985


Maybe they come from a similar background, or might be that life itself forms very similar in space. Like say, a sun, or a planet, they are very far away, but similar in structure. some have the same minerals, or are formed alike. Round, rocky, gassy, liquid, etc. think in planets, then think in the creatures that may live in them. They might look a lot like us. Maybe?

reply to post by fishman1985

Greeting earthlings.!
In my opinion I cant imagine how they would look like, look at all the strange looking animals we have here on earth. Strange glowing fish living deep down the sea, crocodiles, roaches and bugs. The usual "gray" for me is very unlikely. I cant even imagine how they would look like.

Symmetry, is the evolution champion over a lopsided life form, for balance, dexterity, propulsion in a deliberate direction, and 3D spacial perception of where light, and sound stimuli originate, a symmetrical being would win the early evolutionary 'experiments' as the superior hunter, and defendable lessor.

Now consider the opposable thumb and 4 fingers for using tools, building tools, most efficiently over clawed or hoofed appendage extremities. You can be an intelligent race but if you can't build and use tools your technology would be limited to a life as a dolphin, that I believe has yet to build cars, computers, or even homes with a nice beer tap.

So the humanoid form in general is an evolutionary victor not through chance.

As far as size, what are the chemical limits of support and useful propulsion? Carbon based life form have a low and high limit. Something the size of an insect would have less space for a million trillion brain cells, intellect would be limited to operation of biological functions and sensory perception mostly. Something too large would have to spend too much time feeding, fueling the vast biological functioning of replacing and rejuvenating spent cellular tissue.

The vegetarian dinosaurs that grew to huge sizes basically had to eat their entire day, and their genius of evolutionary triumph was to grow jaws and necks that allowed them to eat more efficiently, their defense was mostly their size over the predators. The evolutionary cycle of the dinosaurs doomed them from the start as the reptilian eating machines had little ability to react to a change in their environment, smaller carnivorous warm blooded animals had better adaptability.

Hope all this adds a bit of meat to symmetry, form, and size in some perspective. Size of eyes nose and mouth, ears, girth, color, are trivial differences.

It is also interesting that alien lifeforms are nearly always depicted as bipedal. Consider that a complex series of adaptations occurred at some point, most likely between 4.2 and 4.4 million years ago according to scientific research, that facilitated the bipedal locomotion that we see in humans today. These adaptations were a result of a specific environment with factors that were specific to said environment, the planet Earth. While there is no absolute theory as to why early humans turned to bipedal locomotion, there are several well researched hypothesis (aquatic ape theory, thermoregulatory theory, provisioning theory, etc.) which have one commonality: adaptation.

Taking this to its logical conclusion, would it not stand to reason that since alien lifeforms would most likely be adapting to a drastically different environment filled with drastically different environmental factors and circumstances that the probability of them utilizing bipedal locomotion would be unlikely at best? This is not even taking into consideration the specific physiological factors present in animals on Earth utilizing bipedal locomotion and the unlikely probability that alien lifeforms would mirror those specific traits developed through millions of years of adaptation on Earth.

Maybe there is someone out there with more knowledge on the subject that could explain why this may be a more likely outcome than I have proposed?

reply to post by Kgdetroit


Would a centaur be a superior design than human or would it ultimately prove to be more cumbersome? Heck, put wings on it also, not sure what that mythological being is called.

reply to post by Illustronic



My point wasn't about the superiority of one design over the other, it was merely expounding on the OP's original point that the majority of aliens (i.e.grays) are depicted as having a human-like form. To further the discussion I presented my opinion that the common depiction of these aliens as bipedal may also be slightly illogical considering all of the specific factors that led to humanity walking on its hind limbs

By the way, the centaur with wings thing is called an equinoid

reply to post by fishman1985


It's based on the size of the atom, and the most efficient method that atoms can form a biological machine as to which consciousness can experience and interact with the environment in the most.

Take it from this perspective... the alien could not be the size of an atom, because there would be only space for ONE atom in it's body. One atom would nullify the capability for chemical reactions, since you need more than one molecule or atom for chemical reactions. So there is a definite size limit on the small scale for how small they would be.

Then there is the size limit on the big scale - take for instance the forces of gravity on the pulmonary system of an organism. the amount of time and energy procuring the resources to consume in order to produce the giant amount of energy to keep the organism working would far outweigh the time it would allow the creature to spend on being 'intelligent' and doing things related to cerebral workout.. ie' inventing and pondering... so this would limit intelligence development.

so - we find that there would be a range of size that would be most efficient for intelligence to develop in...
a bell curve of sizes where we may find humans in the middle.

the humanoid form is just plain common sense.
two appendages for bipedal locomotion, (legs) two for manipulating the environment, (arms hands) two for binocular vision, (eyes) two for stereo hearing(ears)... a central protected area containing the central information processing area (brain) sure- some animals have many more eyes, some have many more appendages... but what's important to note here is the efficiency... less of one appendage (2 tops) is more because more energy can be spent on other areas as well.

think of cars.... you find pretty much ONE design that works and people stick to it.... same with planes, same with bikes... same with ovens, same with TVs.... one method of achieving a certain desired result is found.. and it is stuck to.... it goes along with invention... and it does as well with evolution or intelligent design (however which way you want to view it) ... there's going to be a specific general design that works the BEST (for whatever environment is most commonly experienced) .... and it will e the one design most oft used.

and now you know... and knowing is half the battle.

Originally posted by prevenge
Then there is the size limit on the big scale - take for instance the forces of gravity on the pulmonary system of an organism. the amount of time and energy procuring the resources to consume in order to produce the giant amount of energy to keep the organism working would far outweigh the time it would allow the creature to spend on being 'intelligent' and doing things related to cerebral workout.. ie' inventing and pondering... so this would limit intelligence development.

The only problem with your size theory is that you limit your thinking within the box of current physics...

You need to expand your mind to other possibilities

reply to post by zorgon


yeah - i forgot about Gandalf and his magic marbles... def need to revamp my scientific vocab.....




granted quantum physics is speaking nowadays of multiverses, and even our 3D experience in this milky way galaxy as being a projection of a 2D event horizon on a black hole's surface...

i'm being practical and addressing the question which is WHY DO MOST COMMONLY REPORTED ALIENS HAVE A HUMAN SHAPE AND ARE SIMILAR IN SIZE TO US...

maybe you can find a more efficient way for an intelligent lifeform that's 33 billion light years wide to hold an anal probe or needle to a human for analysis.... i think that embodying a similar size body would be a satisfactory solution to that challenge.

but sure there must be some exceptions to the rule... but hell maybe they come around and hop into the bell curve average most oft used design once they realize the benefits of such...

anyway.. you get my point. and you got my point.. i don't need to expand any boxes.. i understand your point.. but it's not relevant to what i'm talking about... which is the most commonly reported aliens.

reply to post by fishman1985
Actually most of th e aliens are heard about are like 9 feet tall I even heard of some being 22 feet tall and the greys are usually 4 feet or smaller

"They all look alike to me."
I hope that doesn't sound bigoted.