The problem I have with all the pictures of what aliens look like

Originally posted by undo
theoretically, height is determined by gravity on the planet of origin. physically, an extremely tall person has additional stress on their heart to pump blood against the force of gravity. the strain to keep the body erect is stronger and the strength of bones, muscles, tendons and ligaments, to keep the body erect is more than a person of average height (around 5'9" i think, is the median). the shorter and thinner a person is, the more likely they derive from a planet, moon, space station or space craft, with a high gravity environment (comparatively). the thinner physique allows freer movement as does the shorter stature. in addition, there are several types of gaseous environments that may impact height and density. oxygen is a gas, for example. however, helium is lighter than oxygen.

also theoretically, you would also have to take into account how close to the core of the planetary body, the species formed and thrived. the closer to the center of gravity, the more likely they'll develop lighter, shorter bodies, i should think.

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I seem to be on the opposite side of the spectrum on proportion vs. gravity. I will use earth as my example, since it is known and studied. Earth has a huge diversity of life in many different sizes during a large expanse of time. Irregardless of the stance you may take on how old the earth is, the fossil record still remains the same in that at some point in antiquity we had huge animals (and some believe Giant humans) roaming the earth. Science tells us that in the ancient of days, the earth had a heavier atmosphere, a stronger magnetosphere, a higher gravity and a moon that was closer to the earth. It seems that life thrived on this combination. We know this by the evidence in the fossil record.

Therefore, IMO, gravity does not necessarily denote/determine size.

What gets me about these sightings is that a great majority of these aliens (especially the Greys) seem to be waltzing about our planet in the nude. Wouldn't they be wearing some sort of protective spacesuit? Even if they could breath our air, the Earth is a hostile place.

Originally posted by Signals
reply to post by fishman1985

 

The universe is ultimatly huge in its neverending size.

Exactly, so an infinite number of possibilities exist as far as what aliens could look like.

Including the representations referred to...

I hate posting the same photograph constantly. But I suppose what I had captured does verify your theory.

I see a lot of ignorance of the full range and scope of the data available on this subject expressed in some of these posts.

Basically, the OP seems to be saying that the whole ET idea seems fishy because so many of them look so similar to us.

The point is: Something is happening. What's the explanation for it?

There is so much data out there that no one person could wade through it all. But you can get a basic idea of who is involved and what they are saying by visiting Greer's site.

www.disclosureproject.org...

There are many more sites out there that seem quite sincere.

My current feeling is that it's not the major issue facing us right now, but that it could quickly become a lot more important if the distractions ever die down a bit. If they actually show themselves and start communicating to us in some mass way, then you will be thankful that you did some homework on the subject. But if that never happens, then all that study could be a fantastic waste of time.

I recommend spending as much time studying the subject as you are comfortable with, and as little time as possible debating details like this. That time would be better spent studying something like world history.

To me there are 3 possibilities why "we" have just one (all in all) look of the Aliens:

1. There may be thousands/ millions of other civilizations in the universe with different looks, but it's just coincidence that we are (if we are..) visited by the typical Greys because they are just the ones who are near enough to us. That may would look somewhat different in another galaxy/ planet/ solar system.

2. Maybe the Greys are really cloned/ engineered workers (like in a bee hive) that are just "made" for space travelling and would not necessarily resemble their creator's looks.

3. The typical aliens (Greys) just are "screen memories". Have you ever seen the movie "The Dreamcatcher"?

This one is pretty interesting... can someone explain this? (At about 1.00)

Originally posted by fishman1985
Think of the logic in this. The universe is ultimatly huge in its neverending size. Planets can be tiny, or they can be rediculously huge. Why is it that most et's are about the same size as humans. I believe they would either be much larger or much smaller than us. The odds that the developed to similar height as us seems a little to unreal. Also I believe that before aliens(et's) would be really from outer space I believe we have the technology now to genetically make what would be percieved as an alien. What a better way to fool people than to make them think aliens are from outer space than to make them right here at home and use them for your own evil agenda.

I have to agree here. I find it strange that popularly depicted aliens are all about our size and have similar bodies - ie: two arms, two legs.

The one thing that bugs me most about how they are depicted is this: if they are so advanced, with the ability to travel huge distances in fantastically technological craft, why do these aliens never wear clothes? Even a pair of undies?

Maybe that's just me...

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What do you mean zorgon? When he's in the shower? Could you be more specific?

Originally posted by jroberts227
The one thing that bugs me most about how they are depicted is this: if they are so advanced, with the ability to travel huge distances in fantastically technological craft, why do these aliens never wear clothes? Even a pair of undies?

Maybe that's just me...

Maybe they are cloned and asexual beings!

Originally posted by zorgon
This one is pretty interesting... can someone explain this? (At about 1.00)

I think you mean at 1:30....

...and I suppose it's just someone getting "pranked back". Or, the whole entire video is scripted and a set-up.

Originally posted by Signals
reply to post by fishman1985

 

The universe is ultimatly huge in its neverending size.

Exactly, so an infinite number of possibilities exist as far as what aliens could look like.

Including the representations referred to...

It only seems infinite because we don't really know. With all the possibilities, you'd think there should be galaxies shaped like cubes or triangles. Yet, now that we've looked we know that all possibilities are not equally probable. And in fact the shapes gravitate to shapes that now seem "obvious" but surely weren't until we started looking. What if intelligent life is also bound to similar rules as those that govern galaxy formation and the set of possible shapes is limited? Not sure what the limits could be, since there is no data. but one thing I know for sure is that the humanoid shape has to be included in that set. (I know for a fact humans exist)

-rrr

Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People

Originally posted by FOXMULDER147
People below 4 feet die young. People above 7 feet die young. Usually.

There's a good reason we are the size we are. Any larger and gravity would crush us. You couldn't have a 20 foot man.

When whales beach they die because gravity pulls all that mass inside them to the ground, crushing their lungs.

I imagine it's the same for alien species.

...unless they develop/evolve on a planet with a different gravity than ours.

I suppose a low-gravity planet could produce larger-than-human intelligent creatures, while a planet with -- say, for example -- 3 times the gravity of Earth could produce intelligent aliens that are built very low to the ground.

However, I'm only talking about creatures evolving on other planets. I'm not addressing the question as to why the reports of visiting aliens almost always tend to describe human-sized aliens. I suppose if someone tends to believe in alien visitation, and if the argument is "why aren't these non-human-sized aliens visiting Earth", then the tall aliens from the planet with lower gravity perhaps don't visit for the reason you specified.

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Not all planet densities are equally conducent to life. In fact, almost all planets that seem like they could bear life are just about as large as the earth and roughly about as far from their center star. Although, there could be lifeforms that don't depend on water, it is far more likely and simple to assume other lifeforms require water. That, right away limits life to planets where liquid water can be found all year round at least somewhere. And those planets cannot be too far off in size and density from the earth.
-rrr

Originally posted by fishman1985
Think of the logic in this. The universe is ultimatly huge in its neverending size. Planets can be tiny, or they can be rediculously huge. Why is it that most et's are about the same size as humans. I believe they would either be much larger or much smaller than us. The odds that the developed to similar height as us seems a little to unreal. Also I believe that before aliens(et's) would be really from outer space I believe we have the technology now to genetically make what would be percieved as an alien. What a better way to fool people than to make them think aliens are from outer space than to make them right here at home and use them for your own evil agenda.

Here is the flaw in your logic:

Universe is huge: check
Planets can be tiny or huge: check
Assumption: ET's can come from any planet size (BUZZZZZ WRONG!)

-rrr

Originally posted by rickyrrr

Originally posted by fishman1985
Think of the logic in this. The universe is ultimatly huge in its neverending size. Planets can be tiny, or they can be rediculously huge. Why is it that most et's are about the same size as humans. I believe they would either be much larger or much smaller than us. The odds that the developed to similar height as us seems a little to unreal. Also I believe that before aliens(et's) would be really from outer space I believe we have the technology now to genetically make what would be percieved as an alien. What a better way to fool people than to make them think aliens are from outer space than to make them right here at home and use them for your own evil agenda.

Here is the flaw in your logic:

Universe is huge: check
Planets can be tiny or huge: check
Assumption: ET's can come from any planet size (BUZZZZZ WRONG!)

-rrr

LOL! WOW!

First of all, it is a presumption, not an assumption. An assumption is as wikipedia defines it "a proposition that is taken for granted, as if it were true based upon presupposition without preponderance of the facts."

A presumption is as wikipedia defines as "a particular fact can be made without the aid of proof in some situations. The types of presumption includes a rebuttable discretionary presumption, a rebuttable mandatory presumption, and an irrebuttable or conclusive presumption. The invocation of a presumption shifts the burden of proof from one party to the opposing party in a court trial. Presumptions are sometimes categorized into two types: presumptions without basic facts, and presumptions with basic facts."

A best manner of presumption is the view of innocence until proven guilty in the courtroom. Or any speculated opinion that cannot be perceived valid or invalid until proven one way or the other. That is also a presumption, because just as someone must conclude with one's innocence until guilt is proven, one must also contend the likelihood of possible existence due to the lack of proof.

We are not saying it does exist, but rather like a courtroom matter, we must assume it does exist before we can prove it does not. Otherwise, we are conducting scientific investigations concerning criminal activity to be in reverse to the scientific investigations that don't concern crime and that might cause a lot of controversy. All matters of scientific inquiry must follow the same strict rules of applicability and conduct.

I mean you do know that forensics is a science and as such it has to be involved in the same scientific matter as all other disciplines in terms of proof finding and validity in order for it to be a credible discipline. Therefore, all variations of scientific inquiry from astrophysics to seismology must involve these same fact finding rules.

Thereby if we in forensics we must assume innocence until guilty, then the same is true for astrophysics and seismology even if both have nothing to do with criminal investigations, simply due to the fact all disciplines of science must be accountable as actual credible disciplines of the same academics.

And thus unless you foster desires to create such a contingent dispute between the various scientific communities, you must also contend the plausibility of life being out there even if there is no proof, because we must hold the uniformity of credible scientific applications to be in check so that no manner that lacks scientific credibility could plausibly harm our society, which would certainly happen if we do not.

This is basically a moral rationalization of why we must accept aliens for the time being rather than an empirical truth, since innocence must be upheld before conviction can be declared and proven. It is just how our society functions in a greater whole, that is all.

Originally posted by Signals
reply to post by fishman1985

 

The universe is ultimatly huge in its neverending size.

Exactly, so an infinite number of possibilities exist as far as what aliens could look like.

Including the representations referred to...

Good point. Not only that alone, but some ETs I have seen can shapeshift into different looking being, or, can take memories from your mind and look like that, right down to actual look, smell, and speech. They can be tripped up, so they are given away, but one must always be on top of it.
As far as I am concerned, if an ET wishes to impart some knowledge to me, and looks pleasing to my eyes, I will be comfortable, and more intent on the message. This makes perfect sense, from an covert intelligent point of view. I can easily see the logic.

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You've seen ETs in dreams/visions or 'special' trips?

Originally posted by AurelioMaghe
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You've seen ETs in dreams/visions or 'special' trips?

LOL! That is a good one.

It is easy for someone to convey they've been abducted or have seen something there. But it is just gossip until something like a photograph or skin cell is produced that could validate anything.

By the way, what kind of genetic information is best used to validate something like that? Should a skin cell be sufficient, a blood sample, or should we rely on a dead carcass?

I know some of the big foot believers are compelled to find something to shoot and tag out in the forest, I certainly hope they don't mean what ole' Dick Cheney had done. LOL!

Originally posted by fishman1985
Think of the logic in this. The universe is ultimatly huge in its neverending size. Planets can be tiny, or they can be rediculously huge. Why is it that most et's are about the same size as humans. I believe they would either be much larger or much smaller than us. The odds that the developed to similar height as us seems a little to unreal. Also I believe that before aliens(et's) would be really from outer space I believe we have the technology now to genetically make what would be percieved as an alien. What a better way to fool people than to make them think aliens are from outer space than to make them right here at home and use them for your own evil agenda.

The main thing people forget about is gravity.

Gravity is different on every other body (as in planet, moon, or rock). Theres even the old argument that if humans one day collonized mars, some people may decide to live their lifes there. As they do, due to the weaker gravity, they will become taller than their fellow humans who live on the earth. Limbs will be carrying less weight, and will grow longer. They could end up looking like they've been put on a stretching machine.

If you think about it where life may have evolved elsewhere, on a planet other than our own. There is the chance that lifeforms could have evolved with 2 legs and 2 arms. This seems to be common on our own planet, and generally the more intelligent creatures here, seem to have 2 legs and 2 arms. Of course you can debate about dolphins being completely different but probably one of the smartest creatures on earth.

If the "aliens" have strong gravity, they will be smaller, and will have bones to support their bodys. If the gravity is very weak, they may not need bones at all, think about jellyfish for example. Theres also the idea of carbon based lifeforms (earth based life) and the possibility of silicon based lifeforms and others which will have completely different genetic makeup from what we can imagine.

Theres no knowing what they could look like unless you know the conditions in which they live. At least this is the way i see things.

In my honest opinion, i think the typical "greys" are nothing more than what we are scared we will become in the future. Because they really have alot in common with us in terms of features and supposed looks. I could be wrong, but at the end of the day most of the ideas about the typical grey aliens are depicted in hollywood.

Just to state; I know there is life out there other than on earth, it would be impossible for there not to be, as a gut feeling. It's just i would rather see evidence in something before believing in it as a religion of some kind.

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Hi Fish --

Check out this faded colour photo (one of purportedly two in the set) of an allegedly captured 'Zeta Reticulan' little-grey alien "EBE" ('Extra-terrestrial Biological Entity' aka 'a Visitor')) in the late 1940s - you'll have to scroll down a little on the page on this 'foreign' LINK:

novazeme.ning.com...


This lil guy was often thought to have been a survivor from one of the Roswell crashes (2 July 1947 at Corona or the other one nearby at Almagordo in 1949)

One of my uncles worked in Naval Intelligence in the 1960s and told me that this photo was absolutely authentic - he pointed out 'authentic' details e.g. that the large black eyes were not exactly evenly located in its cranium as terran humans are to-day- and this is one of the things that many so-called 'eye-witnesses' have said about them - and indeed it IS very life-like (albeit alien lifelike !) - the poor little guy looks just like a prisoner of war...!

One wonders how many alien-species are actually represented floating dead in 'viscous blue liquid' (to quote Lt. Corso !) by the US military...but this one seems very much alive at the time of the photo the skin a dull grey-brown - there are black and white copies of this little guy out there in the wild,

see this black and white version of the lil-grey alien-POW

arealiensreal.org...

but to me, the colour versions of the guy seems a little better to see details e.g. the brow ridges etc and that impossibly scrawny little neck....

As for me, I am tired of looking at so many hundreds of obviously faked photos of 'zeta-reticulans' (who are they kidding?) which are clearly made of rubber or a man-in a suit, a la a Hollywood Special Effects Dept etc. so this one PHOTO of the Roswell EBE is a welcome change from the norm...

At any rare my Uncle swore up and down as to its authenticity - (he said the Italians leaked it to the press at one time) and claimed to have seen other like photos of the same 'species' under his various clearances --tho' he never actually claimed to have seen a live one or even an alien blue liquid floater-specimen himself !!

Originally posted by fishman1985
Think of the logic in this. The universe is ultimatly huge in its neverending size. Planets can be tiny, or they can be rediculously huge. Why is it that most et's are about the same size as humans. I believe they would either be much larger or much smaller than us. The odds that the developed to similar height as us seems a little to unreal. Also I believe that before aliens(et's) would be really from outer space I believe we have the technology now to genetically make what would be percieved as an alien. What a better way to fool people than to make them think aliens are from outer space than to make them right here at home and use them for your own evil agenda.

Good point, i cant imagine that ALL extra terrestrial species would be the same size nor look anything like us. But i believe some extra terrestrials would do - being a firm believer in the theory that they were the missing links between ourselves the humans and neanderthals..

my 2cents